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Post by clementine on Apr 19, 2018 14:20:56 GMT -6
clementine that would be the ideal set up, but i would probably want to start pumping maybe a few days before actually giving him a bottle so you have a little surplus beforehand. Sounds good! I started pumping a couple weeks ago after the first morning feed, so I have a growing stash. I told H I think we need to get a deep freezer bc I’m already out of room in both our kitchen and garage freezers.
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Post by mrsmonogrammed on Apr 19, 2018 14:27:57 GMT -6
clementine that would be the ideal set up, but i would probably want to start pumping maybe a few days before actually giving him a bottle so you have a little surplus beforehand. Sounds good! I started pumping a couple weeks ago after the first morning feed, so I have a growing stash. I told H I think we need to get a deep freezer bc I’m already out of room in both our kitchen and garage freezers. Ha, that’s how I got my deep freezer! I think at one point I had over 1,000 ounces in there last time. Which reminds me that I need to plan dinners using up the food that’s in there now to start making room😂
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Apr 19, 2018 15:41:10 GMT -6
DD2 will not finish a boob. She cluster feeds for a few hours (I think? She eats every 20-45 minutes and car naps) and then will have decent stretches of sleep. I’ve been trying to block feed to make sure she gets fore- and hindmilk but I honestly have no idea if I’m doing that right. Keeping her awake/motivated to eat is impossible - she’s basically naked and we change her diaper but she DGAF. Her diapers look mostly fine so should I just not worry?
ETA: she’s back to birth weight so it’s ok to let her sleep right?
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Post by babybean on Apr 19, 2018 16:03:05 GMT -6
DD2 will not finish a boob. She cluster feeds for a few hours (I think? She eats every 20-45 minutes and car naps) and then will have decent stretches of sleep. I’ve been trying to block feed to make sure she gets fore- and hindmilk but I honestly have no idea if I’m doing that right. Keeping her awake/motivated to eat is impossible - she’s basically naked and we change her diaper but she DGAF. Her diapers look mostly fine so should I just not worry? ETA: she’s back to birth weight so it’s ok to let her sleep right? If she’s having enough diapers and back up to birth weight I’d let her sleep. I also nurse on one side per feed, so if she wants to latch again soon after eating last I’d put her on the same side (if she hasn’t emptied it enough) for the hindmilk. How old is she now? I’d get 5 hour stretches early on and get longer one’s now. If you’re getting 8+ feeds in a day with a longer stretch I think it’s fine. My DD is also a fast eater.
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Post by clementine on Apr 19, 2018 16:43:46 GMT -6
Sounds good! I started pumping a couple weeks ago after the first morning feed, so I have a growing stash. I told H I think we need to get a deep freezer bc I’m already out of room in both our kitchen and garage freezers. Ha, that’s how I got my deep freezer! I think at one point I had over 1,000 ounces in there last time. Which reminds me that I need to plan dinners using up the food that’s in there now to start making room😂 H said we need to start cooking all the freezer meals people made for us when L was born, but I’d rather save them for when I go back to work. It’s not like I have lots of time to cook now (since L is a Velcro baby), but I work 10 hours M-Th so I’ll have even less time to cook then. Unless H decides to take over dinner... can’t count on that though.
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Post by katietopaz on Apr 19, 2018 22:08:09 GMT -6
Whyyy do I make babies that need to nurse so frequently? Both nurse(d) almost every hour during the day, and DS1 did that long-term. At least DS2 is more efficient - he nurses for about 10 minutes and almost always refuses the second side. Maybe in spite of my watermelon boobs it’s a milk storage capacity thing, like the graphic earlier in this thread?
I’m thankful that my nipples have finally healed completely and things are otherwise going very smoothly.
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Post by calendula on Apr 20, 2018 10:08:56 GMT -6
We just got home from an appt at the lactation clinic. L nursed for 6.5 min and transferred 1.5 oz, then nursed for another 3 min and transferred another 1 oz. so apparently his 5-10 min feeds are enough! Which I’m so relieved to hear because I was getting really stressed trying to get him to nurse longer each time. She also said don’t worry about a routine/schedule and that Babywise has been associated with lactation failure? Which is a little alarming, but I’m not really sure how if you’re still responding to baby’s cues like the book recommends. Either way, I’ll chill on the routine business for now. I do want to try to work on some more independent sleep in a month or so. She also said we should start with a bottle a day since I go back to work in a month. Any tips on starting bottle feedings? She said to bottle feed and pump for that missed nursing session. So then I should use the pumped milk for the bottle the next day? Sounds like you're on the right track, but just wanted to chime in to reassure you that you're doing fine and not to stress about schedules, sleep intervals or feeding too often. I'm NOT an attachment parent or huge breastfeeding warrior by any means but I will say that the Babywise philosophy is known to be pretty inconsistent with basic BFing principles. I don't know if Babywise has changed over the years, but when I had DS it had the distinction of being actively discouraged by the AAP (google Babywise controversy). If you're committed to BFing, I think you are already doing the right things and it would be best to step away from the Babywise "should do"s and just KOKO with your instincts. Your baby is healthy and growing and you're doing great!
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Apr 20, 2018 10:44:35 GMT -6
clementine re: bottle feeding Let your SO feed LO about 2oz and have another 2oz ready to go. DD1 was fine with the cheap modela bottles and newborn nipples until we dropped bottles at a year. At the beginning DD1 was confused why I was offering a bottle instead of a boob so DH fed her a bottle every few days until she got used to it and I could feed her as well... though DH rarely let me LOL. For the future - BF babies will rarely ever need more than 4oz per feed and should always have a newborn nipple. This keeps a good consistency between the bottle and breast and the amount of work they have to do to get a full meal. I froze milk in 4 and 2oz bags to prevent waste in case she needed to top off or was only snacking that day. The first few bottles give me some some irrational feelings/anxiety but I got over it pretty fast last time.
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Post by clementine on Apr 20, 2018 17:32:37 GMT -6
First bottle was a success! He took 4 oz very quickly. H used an avent natural bottle with the slowest flow nipple so I’m hoping it was slow enough. I’m so relieved he did well though. And H loved being able to feed him!
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Post by clementine on Apr 20, 2018 18:53:03 GMT -6
clementine re: bottle feeding Let your SO feed LO about 2oz and have another 2oz ready to go. DD1 was fine with the cheap modela bottles and newborn nipples until we dropped bottles at a year. At the beginning DD1 was confused why I was offering a bottle instead of a boob so DH fed her a bottle every few days until she got used to it and I could feed her as well... though DH rarely let me LOL. For the future - BF babies will rarely ever need more than 4oz per feed and should always have a newborn nipple. This keeps a good consistency between the bottle and breast and the amount of work they have to do to get a full meal. I froze milk in 4 and 2oz bags to prevent waste in case she needed to top off or was only snacking that day. The first few bottles give me some some irrational feelings/anxiety but I got over it pretty fast last time. Thanks for all the tips! Do you know anything about Avent Natural bottles? I thought we got the slowest flow. The pack we have came with the 0m+ nipples. L took 4 oz in like 5-6 min today. Do you think we need to get the first flow ones instead?
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Post by Leaf 🌱 on Apr 20, 2018 19:23:04 GMT -6
clementine if he’s doing ok going back and forth between bottle and breast, don’t worry about it! Here’s the Kelly mom article about it: kellymom.com/bf/pumpingmoms/feeding-tools/bottle-feeding/I think the article is a little bit over the top, but there some good tips to at least keep in mind. You can do a “paced feeding” to help the bottle last a bit longer - sitting L up a bit so the bottle is more horizontal, making him pause occasionally, etc. Watchig a video is helpful to see how it’s done. You just want to mimic the BF experience as much as possible - try to make the bottle last as long as a nursing session.
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Post by alwayscheese on Apr 20, 2018 19:26:11 GMT -6
clementine one thing that happens when they drink that much in that short of time is their stomach doesn't have time to catch up and realize they're full. Or so my lactation consultant told me. With DS we keep the bottle tipped back so he can get barely anything out of the nipple. And if he's gulping we tip it back and just let him suck on the nipple so he slows down. My lactation consultant teaches this method but I can't remember what she calls it.
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Post by gldnbearz on Apr 20, 2018 21:43:30 GMT -6
clementine one thing that happens when they drink that much in that short of time is their stomach doesn't have time to catch up and realize they're full. Or so my lactation consultant told me. With DS we keep the bottle tipped back so he can get barely anything out of the nipple. And if he's gulping we tip it back and just let him suck on the nipple so he slows down. My lactation consultant teaches this method but I can't remember what she calls it. You are referring to paced bottle feeding. My LC was saying 1 oz over 5 minutes should be the rate.
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Post by yianna on Apr 20, 2018 23:08:37 GMT -6
Alina has been nursing really well. She’s totally transistioned to regular poo and pees frequently. But despite all that she’s basically been crying since 8pm. I finally caved and made her a two ounce formula bottle And she’s finally stopped crying.
I have pcos and low supply normally but I was hoping that my body would cooperate and we wouldn’t need to supplement.
So anyway just a vent - I’m cool with supplementing I just didn’t want to have to add one more thing to my list of things to do.
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Post by nuggetrn on Apr 22, 2018 18:29:22 GMT -6
My left nipple is still cracked and I feel like it will never heal. It is back to being incredibly painful when she latches even though I swear it has gotten smaller.
I also am now having carpal tunnel symptoms from holding my giant boob up for her while nursing. Google says symptoms usually go away hen you stop breastfeeding. SOBS. Just one more reason why I cannot wait to get a breast reduction.
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Post by clementine on Apr 22, 2018 20:26:33 GMT -6
Ugh I feel you nuggetrn. I’m so tired of holding up my boobs. L has been fussing with our current nursing position (him laying on his side on the boppy), so I’ve tried the cradle hold, but I cannot seem to get him in a position where I don’t have to support my boob in some way. He absolutely hates the laid back position so that’s out.
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Post by nuggetrn on Apr 22, 2018 20:40:34 GMT -6
Ugh I feel you nuggetrn. I’m so tired of holding up my boobs. L has been fussing with our current nursing position (him laying on his side on the boppy), so I’ve tried the cradle hold, but I cannot seem to get him in a position where I don’t have to support my boob in some way. He absolutely hates the laid back position so that’s out. At my appt with the LC she told me to put a rolled up recieving blanket under my boob to help position it and that has actually helped a ton. It's just still massive and I can't be totally hands free. Such fun. Maybe that would help you a little bit?
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Post by leatherpants on Apr 22, 2018 21:07:23 GMT -6
I’m about to go to bed (it’s 9pm. Woo) anyways I also have gigantic boobs and both of my boys did way better in the football. I can do football or cross cradle - the cradle has never worked and anything else (ie side lying) is a recipe for suffocation. Or that’s how it feels. Anyways I’ll comisserate on the giant boob life
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Post by leatherpants on Apr 22, 2018 21:08:35 GMT -6
Ugh I feel you nuggetrn. I’m so tired of holding up my boobs. L has been fussing with our current nursing position (him laying on his side on the boppy), so I’ve tried the cradle hold, but I cannot seem to get him in a position where I don’t have to support my boob in some way. He absolutely hates the laid back position so that’s out. At my appt with the LC she told me to put a rolled up recieving blanket under my boob to help position it and that has actually helped a ton. It's just still massive and I can't be totally hands free. Such fun. Maybe that would help you a little bit? Hmm. I might try this little trick. Sometimes I fold one up and stuff it under his head but maybe under the boob is a good plan
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Post by calendula on Apr 23, 2018 6:05:09 GMT -6
When do babies typically get more efficient? Is there a window of time where they get faster at drawing a full feed? DD has been spending less time nursing the last few days and I'm curious whether she's getting the same amount.
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Post by alwayscheese on Apr 23, 2018 8:45:44 GMT -6
When do babies typically get more efficient? Is there a window of time where they get faster at drawing a full feed? DD has been spending less time nursing the last few days and I'm curious whether she's getting the same amount. I've been wondering also. I feel clueless and like I've been totally winging it as far as how long to feed, on both sides or not or?? Having a VERY lopsided milk capacity doesn't help me figure out a system. At 6 weeks I'm still spending half an hour at feedings including burping and him falling asleep. As fast as my one boob spews milk I wonder if we could be cutting that time down.
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Post by clementine on Apr 24, 2018 16:41:30 GMT -6
Argh. L’s first trial with the bottle was so good. The last 2 tries have been.. not good. He just pushes the nipple out or gums it and eventually gets frustrated the longer we try. I do have some medela bottles and Dr. Brown newborn nipples that I suppose we we will try next. I just can’t figure out why he did so well the first time (when I was around). I wasn’t even home for the second try and he still refused.
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Post by nevertoomanyshoes on Apr 25, 2018 3:59:15 GMT -6
When do babies typically get more efficient? Is there a window of time where they get faster at drawing a full feed? DD has been spending less time nursing the last few days and I'm curious whether she's getting the same amount. I don’t know specifically but with DS1 it was quite gradual and I suddenly realised that a feed was taking 20 minutes instead of 45 lol. DS2 has been more efficient from the get go and has been taking about 20 minutes for a longer feed and 10 for a shorter one. He also loves a good cluster feed so it makes it hard to know how long he actually feeds for. I don’t know about getting the same amount but your milk changes as your baby develops too so that plays into it as well.
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Post by yianna on Apr 25, 2018 4:23:56 GMT -6
Never? Some babies are super efficient (my first daughter was 10-15 min total a feed) and my second son would take 45 minutes total.
This one is about 30 min. And even tho that’s pretty long - it is what it is. I also always let my babies release, I don’t release for them.
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Post by mrsmonogrammed on Apr 25, 2018 6:18:00 GMT -6
Is anyone dealing with or has dealt with Breastmilk jaundice?
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Post by stardust84 on Apr 25, 2018 9:24:04 GMT -6
Is anyone dealing with or has dealt with Breastmilk jaundice? [br Not breast milk jaundice but DS1 had really bad jaundice which went undiagnosed at first due to an IV for antibiotics. On top of that he had RSV (probably from going to the ER for undiagnosed jaundice). He did not gain weight for weeks and was barely over birth weight by 1 month (also due to severe reflux). I know jaundice can be stressful but it will get better with time. Maybe supplement with formula to try and push the bilirubin through? Have they said anything about phototherapy? I feel like it made a big difference for DS1 and did try to push for it for DS2 who was borderline. It also took some stress away from us having to basically feed a naked baby that we still had to tickle. I know you feel like LO will never gain weight but I promise they will. DS1 was diagnosed with failure to thrive and is now a happy and healthy 3 yo.
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Post by clementine on Apr 26, 2018 17:47:55 GMT -6
So the past few nights my boobs have felt fuller than they have since the first few days pp. L is nursing about every 3 hours like usual, but for fewer min each time, although the LC said he was transferring plenty in that amount of time. For the past few days, I’ve noticed that he’ll nurse for 5 min or so, pull off, then want to nurse again 15-30 min later. We’ve also been trying to get him to take a bottle, but it’s not going great. I’ve tried to nurse a little while after the bottle, but he hasn’t really wanted to, even though I feel like he just be hungry since he only took like 1 oz from the bottle. Is the engorgement happening because he’s transferring less than he used to? I’m already pumping after the first morning feed, but should I pump later at night too?
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Post by gldnbearz on Apr 28, 2018 5:20:12 GMT -6
Took kiddo to the lactation consultant today. He ate about 3 oz in a 45 minutes session as we worked on different positions to improve his latch and my sore nipples. He has put on a pound since our first visit two weeks when I was dealing with a cracked nipple. He's getting big to use the football hold so the LC had me try the laid back position. It felt a bit awkward, so I am going to have to practice.
Biggest change is he's now awake enough to eat from both sides, although he spends 7-10 minutes per side, so still 30+ minutes including burping and diaper change. He eats about every 2 hours.
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