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Post by spooko on Jun 5, 2017 9:07:05 GMT -6
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Post by spooko on Jun 5, 2017 9:09:27 GMT -6
H is an immigrant and we've been through a nightmare of a process to secure his naturalization, so we were both conflicted. On the one hand, they served our country, have families here, could have naturalized and been protected from deportation proceedings for the types of crimes committed (drug offenses were referenced in the article).
OTOH, it's SO hard to get here and stay here and with the limited amount of availability for immigration, you know the risks of breaking the law and there are plenty of others who could take that "space".
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jun 5, 2017 14:55:53 GMT -6
I'm ignorant here. How were they able to enter the military if they were undocumented?
I also feel like the severity of the crime should matter here. Convicted of murder? Versus convicted of possessing marijuana?
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Post by spooko on Jun 5, 2017 16:30:28 GMT -6
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Post by kitchen on Jun 5, 2017 16:33:09 GMT -6
I feel like if you serve and get an honorable discharge you should get citizenship. But I also think a Muslim Ban is a bad idea, so yeah.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jun 5, 2017 16:38:04 GMT -6
Ahh thank you. Reading comprehension fail on my part. I apologize. |
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jun 5, 2017 16:42:28 GMT -6
Are you (any of you, who obviously know more about this than I do) saying that the naturalization process is still difficult even after a non-citizen has been honorably discharged?
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Post by spooko on Jun 5, 2017 17:12:27 GMT -6
They are eligible to naturalize as part of service. If they fail to do so or choose not to do so and subsequently commit a deportable crime, should they be "grandfathered" so to speak? That's why I'm torn. Plenty of people do go through the right channels. Does service result counteract the crime insofar as they would kind of be getting preferential treatment versus someone who didn't serve but didn't break the law?
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Post by spooko on Jun 5, 2017 17:52:35 GMT -6
Ooh, that's another layer of complexity I hadn't considered, @dietpepsi. Intriguing.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jun 5, 2017 19:01:45 GMT -6
They are eligible to naturalize as part of service. If they fail to do so or choose not to do so and subsequently commit a deportable crime, should they be "grandfathered" so to speak? That's why I'm torn. Plenty of people do go through the right channels. Does service result counteract the crime insofar as they would kind of be getting preferential treatment versus someone who didn't serve but didn't break the law? Many crimes are committed because of mental health issues from being in the military so... Yes particularly low level drug offenses where the person was self medicating to combat PTSD or depression when they weren't receiving appropriate or timely care from the VA. |
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Post by SweetPotato on Jun 5, 2017 20:47:44 GMT -6
Okay so I read the article and it's bullshit and I believe they should be allowed back in the country. We should be taking care of them. They should have access to VA services. They sacrificed their lives and time with their family to be deported when they made a bad decision? So we use them when it's good for us but then throw them out when it isn't? God I'm pissed now. These are my thoughts exactly. |
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Post by cyprissa on Jun 6, 2017 23:14:55 GMT -6
Okay so I read the article and it's bullshit and I believe they should be allowed back in the country. We should be taking care of them. They should have access to VA services. They sacrificed their lives and time with their family to be deported when they made a bad decision? So we use them when it's good for us but then throw them out when it isn't? God I'm pissed now. I agree with this. |
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