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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 19:57:41 GMT -6
Cornyn never knows what he’s talking about.
Mitch is going to give an update on the Senate floor in 10-15 minutes.
And Marc Short is at the Capitol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 20:28:40 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 20:33:22 GMT -6
McConnell’s not forcing a vote tonight which, interpret as you will, but seems like maybe he actually wants Dems on board?
Vot’s at noon tomorrow.
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Post by donnamoss on Jan 21, 2018 20:42:03 GMT -6
Voting at noon tomorrow is stupid. So what? It passes and then all feds that JUST left after their “orderly shutdown” (max 4 hours) are supposed to return to work? Jokers...we will all be drunk by then. Drinks on day 1 of furlough is the only fun part of furlough.
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Post by morecoffeeplease on Jan 21, 2018 20:49:45 GMT -6
Call me cynical,but I have 0 trust in McConnell, and worry he is just running down the clock to March 1, which is less than 6 weeks away. I hope we get at least an outline of a bill. Or a comment of "we will take up Graham/Durbin and the WH can veto if the President wishes".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 20:58:58 GMT -6
Call me cynical,but I have 0 trust in McConnell, and worry he is just running down the clock to March 1, which is less than 6 weeks away. I hope we get at least an outline of a bill. Or a comment of "we will take up Graham/Durbin and the WH can veto if the President wishes". I don’t think Dems trust him either and that’s why they didn’t go to a vote tonight. I think they want to see if they can get some procedural way to hold McConnell to a vote.
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Post by morecoffeeplease on Jan 21, 2018 21:08:33 GMT -6
Chris Hayes is a bit doom and gloom right now, and it makes me nervous.
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Post by enchanted on Jan 21, 2018 21:11:29 GMT -6
McConnell is a fucking snake and if Schumer has any brains at all, he knows that.
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Post by enchanted on Jan 21, 2018 21:16:26 GMT -6
GOP through the years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:23:36 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2018 21:33:44 GMT -6
Call me cynical,but I have 0 trust in McConnell, and worry he is just running down the clock to March 1, which is less than 6 weeks away. I hope we get at least an outline of a bill. Or a comment of "we will take up Graham/Durbin and the WH can veto if the President wishes". Let's ask Susan Collins about Ldr McConnell and his "word"
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Post by dc2london on Jan 21, 2018 21:36:44 GMT -6
FUCK. THE. GOP. and their lying ass support for the "troops" I just want to interject here that McConnell voted against this for Parliamentary reasons. We can not take his vote against this amendment as objection to it. It's a funky rule that requires him to either vote against his own party's plan or never be allowed to bring it to the floor again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:40:36 GMT -6
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Post by coconutbacon on Jan 21, 2018 21:55:27 GMT -6
I don't think force behind it is correct nor that she should get all the credit, though she does deserve some. I tend to think of her and her loss as more an an amplifier than the root cause. I just had a problem with the part about #metoo starting because of her losing. That's a 10+ year movement, started by black activist and sort of hikacked by white women this time around. Same with the women's match. But whatevs. I guess I shouldn’t have just said “the #metoo movement.” Obviously HRC has nothing to do with it starting. What I meant was that Trump being elected/ HRC losing was a catalyst for the amplification of the movement, as enchanted put it. Like you say, #metoo is a movement 10 years in the making. And I think that it took a political rock bottom moment— the election of a man who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy (among other horrible things)— to wake a lot of people up who just weren’t paying attention. That’s why that movement is exploding now. And it’s not just #metoo. It was Standing Rock. It’s support for refugees. Charitable giving by individuals is up. Town halls are so packed people can’t get in. And it absolutely sucks that so many people, especially so many white people, were apathetic before. These issues aren’t new. But unfortunately it took 45 being elected for people to notice.
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Post by numbears on Jan 22, 2018 3:56:31 GMT -6
I saw this on FB. I really want someone to make a youtube video singing this.
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Post by crunch on Jan 22, 2018 5:07:06 GMT -6
FUCK. THE. GOP. and their lying ass support for the "troops" I just want to interject here that McConnell voted against this for Parliamentary reasons. We can not take his vote against this amendment as objection to it. It's a funky rule that requires him to either vote against his own party's plan or never be allowed to bring it to the floor again. I'm confused. Why would that specific thing need to be brought to the floor again if they voted yes for it then?
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Post by elle on Jan 22, 2018 5:34:42 GMT -6
I saw this on FB. I really want someone to make a youtube video singing this. Randy Rainbow did this way back when, after one of the debates.
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Post by crunch on Jan 22, 2018 5:36:56 GMT -6
So it looks like a vote today for a short term deal (AGAIN) with the promise to bring up DACA next month. Words is no one knows if enough dems support it.
WWYD if you were a dem?
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Post by justkeepmoving on Jan 22, 2018 6:59:53 GMT -6
So it looks like a vote today for a short term deal (AGAIN) with the promise to bring up DACA next month. Words is no one knows if enough dems support it. WWYD if you were a dem? Hard decision. You don’t want to keep the government shutdown but their promise means nothing. And Ryan hasn’t said he would take up immigration. The Senate passed a bill in 2013 and the House did nothing.
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Post by cmb on Jan 22, 2018 7:03:09 GMT -6
So it looks like a vote today for a short term deal (AGAIN) with the promise to bring up DACA next month. Words is no one knows if enough dems support it. WWYD if you were a dem? I’m torn, mainly because this is people’s livelihoods they’re messing with. Also, the GOP are lying liars that lie. If I was to vote yes, I would hold them to the DACA and make it know I’d be voting against the next CR if they don’t. I have a hard time saying that, though, because we’re messing with the federal workers’ livelihoods. I don’t trust the GOP farther than I can lick them, but we also can’t keep the government shutdown for weeks again. I’m really annoyed about another short term CR and would much rather they stop the games and get to work. We all know that won’t happen, though, so we’ll be back here in 3 weeks. I’m really hoping this doesn’t backfire come November. There’s no reason for a shutdown when one party controls all, but if they get away with blaming it on the dems..
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Post by crunch on Jan 22, 2018 7:07:06 GMT -6
I’m so sick of these short term deals.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 22, 2018 7:07:56 GMT -6
I just want to interject here that McConnell voted against this for Parliamentary reasons. We can not take his vote against this amendment as objection to it. It's a funky rule that requires him to either vote against his own party's plan or never be allowed to bring it to the floor again. I'm confused. Why would that specific thing need to be brought to the floor again if they voted yes for it then? Oh we absolutely should blame and Shane the rest of Senate Republicans for voting against it, I'm just saying McConnell likely did so bc of that particular rule. Why am I giving him the benefit of doubt? I have no idea.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jan 22, 2018 7:12:01 GMT -6
So it looks like a vote today for a short term deal (AGAIN) with the promise to bring up DACA next month. Words is no one knows if enough dems support it. WWYD if you were a dem? I would support it and hope the GOP kept their word. I'm seeing a lot of spin against the Dems on the shutdown (not just some of my Trump-supporting relatives posting memes on FB but also local news sources headlining articles "Dems refuse deal, gov't to shut down" or something along those lines), and I think it will only hurt them. A 2/3 day shutdown will be forgotten by mid-terms, I think, but if it drags on it will not be. That's a strategic argument and not a principled one, though, so I'm not saying that's what they should do.
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Post by crunch on Jan 22, 2018 7:14:05 GMT -6
I'm confused. Why would that specific thing need to be brought to the floor again if they voted yes for it then? Oh we absolutely should blame and Shane the rest of Senate Republicans for voting against it, I'm just saying McConnell likely did so bc of that particular rule. Why am I giving him the benefit of doubt? I have no idea. Maybe you’re a better person than I am! Lol. I do not give him any benefits of the doubt.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 22, 2018 7:18:19 GMT -6
Sheldon Whitehouse is displeased with the behavior of his Republican colleagues, lol. I love when he tweets. Also, aggressive "oh" to this.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 22, 2018 7:18:41 GMT -6
Oh we absolutely should blame and Shane the rest of Senate Republicans for voting against it, I'm just saying McConnell likely did so bc of that particular rule. Why am I giving him the benefit of doubt? I have no idea. Maybe you’re a better person than I am! Lol. I do not give him any benefits of the doubt. If he were holding my husband's paycheck hostage, I wouldn't either!
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Post by dc2london on Jan 22, 2018 7:19:40 GMT -6
I’m so sick of these short term deals. I think everyone is, which is part of the reason Dems are digging their heels in
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Post by bugglesbee on Jan 22, 2018 7:38:51 GMT -6
On how the Dems should vote, I agree with crimsonandclover above. I don’t think they have a choice. Unfortunately the narrative I am seeing is that it’s the Dems holding everything up - and it makes me furious- but we don’t want to damage mid terms. I think they really need to broadcast the terms though so when the republicans don’t hold up their end (as we all know they will not), it will be clear to people who lied/failed. This whole thing is so ridiculous because I think both CHIP and DACA had bipartisan support, not sure why/how given the circumstances, people believe the democrats are to blame🤬
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Post by crunch on Jan 22, 2018 7:43:58 GMT -6
Maybe you’re a better person than I am! Lol. I do not give him any benefits of the doubt. If he were holding my husband's paycheck hostage, I wouldn't either! I’m just mad because they use people’s service to their benefit and then don’t pass something that could be passed and has been passed in prior shut downs (And I truly don’t think military should paid if no one else is. I just hate that they use service members when it works for them and don’t follow through)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 7:53:12 GMT -6
I just had a problem with the part about #metoo starting because of her losing. That's a 10+ year movement, started by black activist and sort of hikacked by white women this time around. Same with the women's match. But whatevs. I guess I shouldn’t have just said “the #metoo movement.” Obviously HRC has nothing to do with it starting. What I meant was that Trump being elected/ HRC losing was a catalyst for the amplification of the movement, as enchanted put it. Like you say, #metoo is a movement 10 years in the making. And I think that it took a political rock bottom moment— the election of a man who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy (among other horrible things)— to wake a lot of people up who just weren’t paying attention. That’s why that movement is exploding now. And it’s not just #metoo. It was Standing Rock. It’s support for refugees. Charitable giving by individuals is up. Town halls are so packed people can’t get in. And it absolutely sucks that so many people, especially so many white people, were apathetic before. These issues aren’t new. But unfortunately it took 45 being elected for people to notice. I have been teaching high school for 14 years and I have never seen students as engaged as they have been the last two years. I can only hope this continues.
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