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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 14:47:56 GMT -6
I'm not even really calling for the dems to boycott. I just think that if they want to, they should and should get no shit for it and I'll support them. I can't imagine giving John Lewis shit because he doesn't want to watch a racist lie for 30 minutes. Agreed 100%
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 14:58:58 GMT -6
Honestly, let's just get rid of the SOTU. Fuck it. I think we can see the state of the union every morning on twitter I’m with you on the other stuff but I really disagree with this. Having the executive branch address the legislative branch is part of the fundamental separation of powers and checks/balances. I’m not willing to blow up the foundation of our democracy because I don’t want to hear another disingenuous word out of his mouth. If anything, Trump’s presidency has shown me that we cannot take those things for granted. That a President won’t slip into being a despot while his party lets him. That a President will respect the norms/traditions of the office. That a President wouldn’t want the Senate to change its rules because it makes his life easier. That a President would respect the division between the FBI or Supreme Court and not demand personal loyalty. We like to think “that will never happen here” but we need to do our part to reinforce our democracy. I was being flippant. I do think it’s okay to question how things work and how things run though. Edit: I mean the big televised thing
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:25:53 GMT -6
I don't really care about respecting the office, but I do think Trump would have a field day if Dems boycotted. He tweets every damn day about how the Democrats are obstructionists because they won't make a deal on DACA. I can't imagine the endless onslaught of gleeful tweets if Democrats don't show up to the SOTU. But he’ll have a field day either way. If they don’t go, he’ll say something. If they go and don’t clap, he’ll say something. If they went and clapped, he’d say something. If they feel in their conscious that they do not want to support this president by attending his blow hard speech, they should do what they feel is right. Because at the end of the day/their career, that’s all they can control.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:32:02 GMT -6
Jemele Hill on the hypocrisy of people praising MLK today but also being against peaceful protests by POC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:33:34 GMT -6
I really can’t imagine being in Water’s or Lewis’ shoes and having to endure a speech by someone who has been so horrible to them and is clearly a racist. I wouldn’t go. No way.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 15:47:16 GMT -6
I really can’t imagine being in Water’s or Lewis’ shoes and having to endure a speech by someone who has been so horrible to them and is clearly a racist. I wouldn’t go. No way. Yes yes yes. It might be easy for us to say go as white women. But we are not affected by this president in the same was as others. It’s our job to support their decision and I’d even say our job (if I was in Congress) not to go to show support for my colleagues. Edit: I know not everyone here is a white woman. I’m just speaking as a white woman.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 15:47:33 GMT -6
Jemele Hill on the hypocrisy of people praising MLK today but also being against peaceful protests by POC. This was the best post I have seen all day. I loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:50:15 GMT -6
I’m with you on the other stuff but I really disagree with this. Having the executive branch address the legislative branch is part of the fundamental separation of powers and checks/balances. I’m not willing to blow up the foundation of our democracy because I don’t want to hear another disingenuous word out of his mouth. If anything, Trump’s presidency has shown me that we cannot take those things for granted. That a President won’t slip into being a despot while his party lets him. That a President will respect the norms/traditions of the office. That a President wouldn’t want the Senate to change its rules because it makes his life easier. That a President would respect the division between the FBI or Supreme Court and not demand personal loyalty. We like to think “that will never happen here” but we need to do our part to reinforce our democracy. I was being flippant. I do think it’s okay to question how things work and how things run though. Edit: I mean the big televised thing I just generally think the SOTU being on tv and it being a big thing is good for multiple reasons. If people opt out, okay. If you weren't serious, then I read the thread wrong.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 15:51:58 GMT -6
I was being flippant. I do think it’s okay to question how things work and how things run though. Edit: I mean the big televised thing I just generally think the SOTU being on tv and it being a big thing is good for multiple reasons. If people opt out, okay. If you weren't serious, then I read the thread wrong. I definitely wasn’t serious about completely getting rid of it. It was just a flippant remark like throwing my hands up in the air saying fuck it all. I won’t watch though but that’s because I hardly ever do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:54:33 GMT -6
Oh my that WSJ published this.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 15:57:45 GMT -6
I wonder if he will be able to stay on message. I used to think he at least could do that. But the last few speeches are making me second guess myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:01:15 GMT -6
Ha. This is fan-fuckin-tastic.
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 16:10:04 GMT -6
Ha. This is fan-fuckin-tastic. Damnnnn. I bet she's going to pull a Jeff Sessions and claim her conversations with the president are privileged without actually invoking executive privilege. Or she'll just say she doesn't recall. Still looking forward to Durbin grilling her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:12:53 GMT -6
Ha. This is fan-fuckin-tastic. Damnnnn. I bet she's going to pull a Jeff Sessions and claim her conversations with the president are privileged without actually invoking executive privilege. Or she'll just say she doesn't recall. Still looking forward to Durbin grilling her. And one Sen. Harris
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Post by cmb on Jan 15, 2018 16:20:29 GMT -6
FYI If anyone else was planning on listening to the CDC broadcast tomorrow, it’s been postponed.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2018 16:23:08 GMT -6
Ha. This is fan-fuckin-tastic. Damnnnn. I bet she's going to pull a Jeff Sessions and claim her conversations with the president are privileged without actually invoking executive privilege. Or she'll just say she doesn't recall. Still looking forward to Durbin grilling her. If she does try to claim privilege I hope the call her on it because there were numerous people in the room. And they’ve all talked about it
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 16:34:39 GMT -6
TW
Simone Biles says she was abused by Larry Nassar too. This guy is the scum of the earth.
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Post by charlotte on Jan 15, 2018 16:43:05 GMT -6
Love Simone. She is a great role model. F everyone who enabled that guy.
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 16:46:58 GMT -6
I wish someone who was running for reelection would have the balls to say things like this
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:49:24 GMT -6
That breaks my heart. I just can’t imagine what they all went through. I remember listening to the congressional hearing on it and it still haunts me.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2018 17:28:21 GMT -6
Nothing to do with anything but Barron has grown like a foot since inauguration. He is as tall as Mel. Also I think Mel would be perfectly happy still living in NY. She always seems concerned for him, where he is, etc., when they are photographed together and its nice.
He is the one member of the family I feel bad for. Like poor kid was just living his life and then thrust into all this because his father is a narcissist.
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Post by miawallace on Jan 15, 2018 18:01:43 GMT -6
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Post by coconutbacon on Jan 15, 2018 19:00:31 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing this. This is so relevant as we talk about the appropriateness of boycotting the SOTU. I’d also urge everyone to listen to Dr. King’s Letter from Birmingham Jail if you haven’t (or haven’t recently). okra.stanford.edu/transcription/audio/630416001.mp3WaPo has a good piece about it highlighting where King talked about his disappointment in white moderates. “First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”...” www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/01/15/martin-luther-king-jr-s-scathing-critique-of-white-moderates-from-the-birmingham-jail/?utm_term=.189d040d1abc
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 15, 2018 19:09:19 GMT -6
Thanks. A few similar items came across my FB feed today. I think it's crucial for white people like me to understand that MLK was not treated the same (by white people) during his life as his memory is now, and that his memory/persona is twisted to paint him as the "respectable black person" (meaning acceptable to white folks) -- whereas BLM and other current movements are painted as disruptive, violent agitators. Neither characterization is really accurate.
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Post by charlotte on Jan 15, 2018 19:09:54 GMT -6
Yes coconutbacon I read the letter from Birmingham Jail somewhat recently but when I read it again today that part about white moderates just really hit home.
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Post by Bookshelves on Jan 15, 2018 19:52:03 GMT -6
I used to watch Dubya's SOTU on Univision because he sounded smarter in Spanish. I am not sure Univision could help 45.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2018 20:02:26 GMT -6
I think I’ve missed maybe two or three SOTU since my senior year in high school (89). I’m really torn about this one. Because it is important and it does matter. But the total disregard he shows this country’s values and people just hurts
I would not blame those that boycotted. I just think it will have a more lasting effect beyond this administration.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:25:16 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:27:26 GMT -6
And fuck John Kelly too. God I hate those assholes.
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Post by talon on Jan 15, 2018 21:41:35 GMT -6
Thanks for sharing this, it was a good article. It was a good reminder how often people disagree with BLM or really any form of protest by POC but celebrate MLK because he lived in the past. They can use the parts of his story that are comfortable for them and not have to confront what is still going on today.
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