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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:24:18 GMT -6
Why is it always on "us" to be civil? Because somebody has to be level headed  and if we sink to their level, we're no better than they are I think the election and the supreme court and the tax bill taught me that by sinking to that level, they are still winning (getting what they want). So it's a big waste of time to not sink to their level because we keep getting fucked over. #jaded |
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 15, 2018 11:25:54 GMT -6
I agree with miawallace and crunch on this. Also, the SOTU is only important in the sense that it's tradition, has always been done this way, etc. If we're going to press for bipartisanship let's do it where it matters (DACA, budget, CHIP). IDGAF about bipartisanship in ceremonial speeches. By bigots, especially.
I think every Congessperson and Senator that objects to the direction of this country should refuse to attend. In x years when the Pres is a Democrat, I don't care if the Republicans don't show up.
Our country is already broken by this division. Democrats attending the SOTU isn't going to fix it.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:27:07 GMT -6
I agree with miawallace and crunch on this. Also, the SOTU is only important in the sense that it's tradition, has always been done this way, etc. If we're going to press for bipartisanship let's do it where it matters (DACA, budget, CHIP). IDGAF about bipartisanship in ceremonial speeches. By bigots, especially. I think every Congessperson and Senator that objects to the direction of this country should refuse to attend. In x years when the Pres is a Democrat, I don't care if the Republicans don't show up. Our country is already broken by this division. Democrats attending the SOTU isn't going to fix it. Honestly, let's just get rid of the SOTU. Fuck it. I think we can see the state of the union every morning on twitter |
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2018 11:30:51 GMT -6
I agree with miawallace and crunch on this. Also, th e SOTU is only important in the sense that it's tradition, has always been done this way, etc. If we're going to press for bipartisanship let's do it where it matters (DACA, budget, CHIP). IDGAF about bipartisanship in ceremonial speeches. By bigots, especially. I think every Congessperson and Senator that objects to the direction of this country should refuse to attend. In x years when the Pres is a Democrat, I don't care if the Republicans don't show up. Our country is already broken by this division. Democrats attending the SOTU isn't going to fix it. Technically the bolded is not exactly true, its a constitutional requirement. Article II, Section 3, Clause 1 of the Constitution requires that the President ". . . shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." its only traditional in the sense that its a once a year thing. Also I get everyones point, I do, I just honestly hope that this is a blip in our countrys history and we can get to a place where we dont have a racist fuck as a figurehead of our nation. I'm also a firm believer in karma and those who are 'winning' right now will eventually pay a much bigger price, than those of us on the 'losing' side. |
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 11:31:52 GMT -6
I don't really care about respecting the office, but I do think Trump would have a field day if Dems boycotted. He tweets every damn day about how the Democrats are obstructionists because they won't make a deal on DACA. I can't imagine the endless onslaught of gleeful tweets if Democrats don't show up to the SOTU.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:33:15 GMT -6
I don't really care about respecting the office, but I do think Trump would have a field day if Dems boycotted. He tweets every damn day about how the Democrats are obstructionists because they won't make a deal on DACA. I can't imagine the endless onslaught of gleeful tweets if Democrats don't show up to the SOTU. I just feel like he's made a new normal so let's make a new normal for us. * I'm not trying to argue or be a jerk, I just am deflated and defeated and I don't think what we are doing is working. |
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 15, 2018 11:49:46 GMT -6
I don't really care about respecting the office, but I do think Trump would have a field day if Dems boycotted. He tweets every damn day about how the Democrats are obstructionists because they won't make a deal on DACA. I can't imagine the endless onslaught of gleeful tweets if Democrats don't show up to the SOTU. That's the thing. He's going to tweet that they're obstructionist regardless of whether or not they attend the SOTU. |
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 11:51:08 GMT -6
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 15, 2018 11:54:34 GMT -6
I agree with miawallace and crunch on this. Also, th e SOTU is only important in the sense that it's tradition, has always been done this way, etc. If we're going to press for bipartisanship let's do it where it matters (DACA, budget, CHIP). IDGAF about bipartisanship in ceremonial speeches. By bigots, especially. I think every Congessperson and Senator that objects to the direction of this country should refuse to attend. In x years when the Pres is a Democrat, I don't care if the Republicans don't show up. Our country is already broken by this division. Democrats attending the SOTU isn't going to fix it. Technically the bolded is not exactly true, its a constitutional requirement. Article II, Section 3, Clause 1 of the Constitution requires that the President ". . . shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient." its only traditional in the sense that its a once a year thing. Also I get everyones point, I do, I just honestly hope that this is a blip in our countrys history and we can get to a place where we dont have a racist fuck as a figurehead of our nation. I'm also a firm believer in karma and those who are 'winning' right now will eventually pay a much bigger price, than those of us on the 'losing' side. The Pres could provide info to Congress on the SOTU via bullet-pointed memo. I don't believe the format of the big speech is specified in the Constitution. |
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 11:54:53 GMT -6
I don't really care about respecting the office, but I do think Trump would have a field day if Dems boycotted. He tweets every damn day about how the Democrats are obstructionists because they won't make a deal on DACA. I can't imagine the endless onslaught of gleeful tweets if Democrats don't show up to the SOTU. That's the thing. He's going to tweet that they're obstructionist regardless of whether or not they attend the SOTU. Yes, but i guess my point is that boycotting would be exactly what he wants. Heckling, sitting, and not clapping is the kind of direct confrontation that would really bother him. |
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Post by miawallace on Jan 15, 2018 11:56:33 GMT -6
I don't really care about respecting the office, but I do think Trump would have a field day if Dems boycotted. He tweets every damn day about how the Democrats are obstructionists because they won't make a deal on DACA. I can't imagine the endless onslaught of gleeful tweets if Democrats don't show up to the SOTU. That's the thing. He's going to tweet that they're obstructionist regardless of whether or not they attend the SOTU. If i was a dem, i wouldn't have a ton of motivation to go. He's not a Normal president and the stuff he's said shouldn't be normalized for the sake of what his office is. I also don't think Dems showing up suddentlh will make the daca deal happen. He's beings manipulative and frankly, quite glad that Dems are growing a backbone. |
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:56:50 GMT -6
I'm not even really calling for the dems to boycott. I just think that if they want to, they should and should get no shit for it and I'll support them. I can't imagine giving John Lewis shit because he doesn't want to watch a racist lie for 30 minutes.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:57:49 GMT -6
That's the thing. He's going to tweet that they're obstructionist regardless of whether or not they attend the SOTU. If i was a dem, i wouldn't have a ton of motivation to go. He's not a Normal president and the stuff he's said shouldn't be normalized for the sake of what his office is. I also don't think Dems showing up suddentlh will make the daca deal happen. He's beings manipulative and frankly, quite glad that Dems are growing a backbone. Yes! If they go or they don't go, Trump doesn't want to pass daca. So it's manipulative as fuck to say they are obstructionists if they don't go. He's already calling them that. |
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 12:02:06 GMT -6
I don't think it's going to create a DACA deal at all. I don't think it'll do anything productive. I just think the Dems being there and showing how much they disapprove might get under Trump's skin.
Remember that immigration meeting where Feinstein was all "let's pass a clean DACA bill" and he was all "OKAY". The man can't deal with direct confrontation or disapproval of any kind.
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 12:02:40 GMT -6
I'm not even really calling for the dems to boycott. I just think that if they want to, they should and should get no shit for it and I'll support them. I can't imagine giving John Lewis shit because he doesn't want to watch a racist lie for 30 minutes. I totally agree with this. |
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 15, 2018 12:04:45 GMT -6
Huh ETA something about her account feels inconsistent to me. I feel really gross questioning her statement that this was assault, but I'm reading HER words about it and something just seems off. I'm confused and conflicted. |
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Post by enchanted on Jan 15, 2018 12:05:04 GMT -6
And you guys have summed up my feelings. On the one hand, I have to think that people being there and not giving him the praise and standing ovation he desires will bother him. Plus, this is the POTUS' report to Congress. Sure, it could be done other ways, but this is the way it is done, like it or not.
On the other hand, I absolutely do not blame anyone, particularly POC, who refused to sit there and listen to his dog whistles.
Like I said, conflicted.
Whether they go or not, both Lewis and Waters are people I deeply admire. I'm not going to put them on blast for not attending.
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 12:05:33 GMT -6
It remains a mystery how conservatives earned a reputation for being the party of family values.
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Post by redbears on Jan 15, 2018 12:16:51 GMT -6
When is the SOTU? I was thinking about that the other day. It's January 30 |
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Post by roseinbloom on Jan 15, 2018 12:25:27 GMT -6
If I were in congress, I hope I would stand with my back to him until he left or I was escorted out. I don't begrudge those who want to boycott that bigoted asshole. But I would love it if people did that to him.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 15, 2018 12:26:36 GMT -6
I read an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal about a shift in attitude over the last ~10 years of Evangelicals on the subject of immigration.
In 2011 only 27% of Evangelicals believed immigrants strengthen our country; now 43% do.
6/10 support a path to citizenship.
It’s not all good news- and I know those numbers aren’t enough- but I think it’s a positive shift in the right direction. Evangelicals have a reputation for being overwhelmingly conservative and if they are starting to change their POV that bodes well for the country as a whole.
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Post by enchanted on Jan 15, 2018 13:24:10 GMT -6
Samantha Bee is calling out people like Steve King and Pence for praising Dr. King and his peaceful protests when just recently, they were condemning the NFL Players for their peaceful protests and/or for defending 45's racist shit. twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB?s=09 |
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Post by enchanted on Jan 15, 2018 13:24:31 GMT -6
SHS:
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Post by enchanted on Jan 15, 2018 13:25:38 GMT -6
Steve King:
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Post by athn64 on Jan 15, 2018 13:26:17 GMT -6
Samantha Bee is calling out people like Steve King and Pence for praising Dr. King and his peaceful protests when just recently, they were condemning the NFL Players for their peaceful protests and/or for defending 45's racist shit. twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB?s=09Good for her. |
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Post by enchanted on Jan 15, 2018 13:26:19 GMT -6
Pence:
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Post by flojo on Jan 15, 2018 13:41:52 GMT -6
I just can't with the fact that the he is not doing anything of service on MLK day. And is playing golf. I hope the golf cart runs over his foot.
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Post by miawallace on Jan 15, 2018 14:08:14 GMT -6
I just can't with the fact that the he is not doing anything of service on MLK day. And is playing golf. I hope the golf cart runs over his foot. Honestly I'm glad he's staying away. He would have found a way to say or done something offensive. |
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Post by flojo on Jan 15, 2018 14:36:10 GMT -6
Well, his latest tweet just sent me over the edge. Although I did LOL that he couldn't come up with a better nickname for Durbin besides "Dicky". Super creative.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 14:46:55 GMT -6
I agree with miawallace and crunch on this. Also, the SOTU is only important in the sense that it's tradition, has always been done this way, etc. If we're going to press for bipartisanship let's do it where it matters (DACA, budget, CHIP). IDGAF about bipartisanship in ceremonial speeches. By bigots, especially. I think every Congessperson and Senator that objects to the direction of this country should refuse to attend. In x years when the Pres is a Democrat, I don't care if the Republicans don't show up. Our country is already broken by this division. Democrats attending the SOTU isn't going to fix it. Honestly, let's just get rid of the SOTU. Fuck it. I think we can see the state of the union every morning on twitter I’m with you on the other stuff but I really disagree with this. Having the executive branch address the legislative branch is part of the fundamental separation of powers and checks/balances. I’m not willing to blow up the foundation of our democracy because I don’t want to hear another disingenuous word out of his mouth. If anything, Trump’s presidency has shown me that we cannot take those things for granted. That a President won’t slip into being a despot while his party lets him. That a President will respect the norms/traditions of the office. That a President wouldn’t want the Senate to change its rules because it makes his life easier. That a President would respect the division between the FBI or Supreme Court and not demand personal loyalty. We like to think “that will never happen here” but we need to do our part to reinforce our democracy. |
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