JukEboX
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Post by JukEboX on Nov 13, 2017 10:07:01 GMT -6
So Trumpers are boycotting Keurig because they pulled ads from Hannity. That’s the best thing these people have ever done for the environment. The few smashing their keurigs videos make me laugh almost as much as I'm gonna burn my Kaepernick shirt. Like you can live without a jersey but.... I'm thinking their Monday morning uncaffeinated probably isnt going so well. ♫ Chock full O nuts is that heavenly coffee..... heavenly coffee..... ♫ Anyone? Anyone? LOL
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fatpony
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Post by fatpony on Nov 13, 2017 10:09:42 GMT -6
I just tweeted my state senator to call for his resignation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:10:53 GMT -6
I don't think Mitch would be saying this if it was any other GOP Senator candidate but Moore is so awful that I'll take criticism from anywhere right now.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 13, 2017 10:10:56 GMT -6
The few smashing their keurigs videos make me laugh almost as much as I'm gonna burn my Kaepernick shirt. Like you can live without a jersey but.... I'm thinking their Monday morning uncaffeinated probably isnt going so well. Hello Starbucks? BUT CHRISTMAS CUPS!!!
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athn64
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Post by athn64 on Nov 13, 2017 10:24:35 GMT -6
Lol. They arw doing color your own this year. I haven't heard anything about them but wonder how people are reacting
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 10:26:02 GMT -6
So Trumpers are boycotting Keurig because they pulled ads from Hannity. That’s the best thing these people have ever done for the environment. Not only boycotting, but apparently also destroying the ones they've already bought. ETA: RTMFT, Enchanted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:37:14 GMT -6
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starbuck
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Post by starbuck on Nov 13, 2017 10:49:46 GMT -6
I'll admit Takei stung and makes me sad. But that doesnt mean I dont believe the accuser. I know that I was flamed over the weekend regarding this matter. When the Takei story first broke, I wasn't ready to immediately denounce Takei– not because I didn't believe him capable of assault, but because, when the story first broke, there wasn't a lot of supporting information, and it wasn't coming from a source that I know to be reputable. I wanted more info. (And when I did later see the Stern interview transcript, obviously I was appalled.) Of course, there is a difference between withholding judgement and debating for hours that an accuser is a liar. I think we should always take every accusation of sexual assault or harassment seriously. I also don't think that that is in conflict with being a critical consumer of media. Obviously, one's role as a media consumer is very different than that of a crisis counselor, therapist, doctor, teacher, etc. We can take an accusation seriously without immediately drawing a conclusion about it. Especially, when we look at the history of white women in this country falsely accusing black men of rape/ assault/ harassment, resulting in their imprisonment or death (Emmitt Till, The Scottsboro Boys, The Central Park Five), I am wary of the notion that any accusation made within the media immediately needs to be believed, without any additional thought, and that anyone who doesn't is somehow anti-victim. Any accusation immediately needs to be taken seriously; that's a different thing. I know I got in your face. It's one thing to say that you worry the reporter hasn't done his/her due diligence in the matter. It's another to suggest the entire story may be a political stunt. You being wary of the source, I can appreciate that. The rest is another level.
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pesto
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Post by pesto on Nov 13, 2017 10:52:20 GMT -6
Cruz endorsed Moore and he's been totally silent since the story broke.
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 10:57:45 GMT -6
Cruz endorsed Moore and he's been totally silent since the story broke. He wants him to be in the Senate so he's not the most hated Senator anymore. By staying silent, he doesn't catch hell from his base who are willing to overlook anything as long as it means a Democrat doesn't win, but he can also say he didn't come out and defend Moore.
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 10:57:57 GMT -6
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 10:58:46 GMT -6
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 10:59:29 GMT -6
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 10:59:57 GMT -6
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Post by cakewench on Nov 13, 2017 11:02:21 GMT -6
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JukEboX
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Post by JukEboX on Nov 13, 2017 11:13:47 GMT -6
McConnell tells Moore to step down just came across my phone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 11:15:25 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 11:18:18 GMT -6
Oh my god. Why are they all so incompetent at filing out forms???
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mb3
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Post by mb3 on Nov 13, 2017 11:26:23 GMT -6
Oh my god. Why are they all so incompetent at filing out forms??? So many lines and blank spaces. Quite overwhelming I'm sure 🙄🙄🙄
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 13, 2017 11:28:37 GMT -6
I know that I was flamed over the weekend regarding this matter. When the Takei story first broke, I wasn't ready to immediately denounce Takei– not because I didn't believe him capable of assault, but because, when the story first broke, there wasn't a lot of supporting information, and it wasn't coming from a source that I know to be reputable. I wanted more info. (And when I did later see the Stern interview transcript, obviously I was appalled.) Of course, there is a difference between withholding judgement and debating for hours that an accuser is a liar. I think we should always take every accusation of sexual assault or harassment seriously. I also don't think that that is in conflict with being a critical consumer of media. Obviously, one's role as a media consumer is very different than that of a crisis counselor, therapist, doctor, teacher, etc. We can take an accusation seriously without immediately drawing a conclusion about it. Especially, when we look at the history of white women in this country falsely accusing black men of rape/ assault/ harassment, resulting in their imprisonment or death (Emmitt Till, The Scottsboro Boys, The Central Park Five), I am wary of the notion that any accusation made within the media immediately needs to be believed, without any additional thought, and that anyone who doesn't is somehow anti-victim. Any accusation immediately needs to be taken seriously; that's a different thing. I know I got in your face. It's one thing to say that you worry the reporter hasn't done his/her due diligence in the matter. It's another to suggest the entire story may be a political stunt. You being wary of the source, I can appreciate that. The rest is another level. I mean, on the politics forum specifically, I don't see how that's next level. Also, of course, a lot of this is politically motivated. I don't think we would have seen a WaPo article uncovering Roy Moore's abuses if he weren't the Republican nominee for Senate. Allegations brought up against Bill Clinton were politically timed. Something being politically motivated doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true. It also doesn't automatically mean it is true. When you start mixing politics, the media and horrendous accusations, it makes sense to evaluate sources, context, etc.
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JukEboX
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Post by JukEboX on Nov 13, 2017 11:32:27 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 11:34:46 GMT -6
Oh my god. Why are they all so incompetent at filing out forms??? It sure explains why he got nominated though.
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 11:36:22 GMT -6
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 13, 2017 11:42:31 GMT -6
I know that I was flamed over the weekend regarding this matter. When the Takei story first broke, I wasn't ready to immediately denounce Takei– not because I didn't believe him capable of assault, but because, when the story first broke, there wasn't a lot of supporting information, and it wasn't coming from a source that I know to be reputable. I wanted more info. (And when I did later see the Stern interview transcript, obviously I was appalled.) Of course, there is a difference between withholding judgement and debating for hours that an accuser is a liar. I think we should always take every accusation of sexual assault or harassment seriously. I also don't think that that is in conflict with being a critical consumer of media. Obviously, one's role as a media consumer is very different than that of a crisis counselor, therapist, doctor, teacher, etc. We can take an accusation seriously without immediately drawing a conclusion about it. Especially, when we look at the history of white women in this country falsely accusing black men of rape/ assault/ harassment, resulting in their imprisonment or death (Emmitt Till, The Scottsboro Boys, The Central Park Five), I am wary of the notion that any accusation made within the media immediately needs to be believed, without any additional thought, and that anyone who doesn't is somehow anti-victim. Any accusation immediately needs to be taken seriously; that's a different thing. This is some revisionist history bullshit. You very much did accuse the victim of lying. "It seems potentially convenient to have an outspoken, politically liberal gay actor accused of sexual assault." "I don’t not believe Scott [Brunton], but I don’t automatically believe him either, given the timing." I don't see how that's an accusation of lying. That's a statement saying that I was withholding judgment, especially given the circumstances (which included both the political timing and the source). I really don't know why you want to vilify me for being a critical consumer of media.
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starbuck
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Post by starbuck on Nov 13, 2017 11:42:55 GMT -6
I know I got in your face. It's one thing to say that you worry the reporter hasn't done his/her due diligence in the matter. It's another to suggest the entire story may be a political stunt. You being wary of the source, I can appreciate that. The rest is another level. I mean, on the politics forum specifically, I don't see how that's next level. Also, of course, a lot of this is politically motivated. I don't think we would have seen a WaPo article uncovering Roy Moore's abuses if he weren't the Republican nominee for Senate. Allegations brought up against Bill Clinton were politically timed. Something being politically motivated doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true. It also doesn't automatically mean it is true. When you start mixing politics, the media and horrendous accusations, it makes sense to evaluate sources, context, etc. Maybe all Weinstein accusations were coordinated to deflect from the Russia investigation!!!! I guess I can just make statements like that on the political board. Why not? I don't need evidence and it's cool to just tie two unrelated stories into one long narrative now. Look of course there are political hit jobs. And of course there is an attempt by politicians to time stories to distract/deflect. A story about abuse against George Takei in a long line of abuse allegations against men (mostly Hollywood, but not always) who sit on both sides of the aisle doesn't really seem to fit this narrative. Republicans who still support Moore are questioning the timing as suspect. Takei tried to tie his allegations to Russia in some now-deleted tweets. I guess everyone wants to create a good conspiracy when it suits them. You started immediately with suggesting it was a political hit job. Don't try to say now you're just being a cautious news reader. You don't get to promote a zero-evidence conspiracy theory and claim you're just a cautious person.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Nov 13, 2017 11:49:21 GMT -6
I didn't read over the weekend but since we're talking about Takei, can I just say I am SO sad about it. MH says if 2016 was the year that all of his heroes died, 2017 is the year that all of his heroes are dead to him.
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Post by enchanted on Nov 13, 2017 11:51:33 GMT -6
I didn't read over the weekend but since we're talking about Takei, can I just say I am SO sad about it. MH says if 2016 was the year that all of his heroes died, 2017 is the year that all of his heroes are dead to him. Me, too. I thought he was one of the good ones, but between the allegations made and an interview someone dug up, I am so disgusted with him.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Nov 13, 2017 11:53:21 GMT -6
I didn't read over the weekend but since we're talking about Takei, can I just say I am SO sad about it. MH says if 2016 was the year that all of his heroes died, 2017 is the year that all of his heroes are dead to him. Me, too. I thought he was one of the good ones, but between the allegations made and an interview someone dug up, I am so disgusted with him. It has really made me suspicious of ANY man I like and admire. On the other hand, I am really enjoying all of the men on Twitter calling for an all-female reboot of Western society.
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Post by coconutbacon on Nov 13, 2017 12:05:01 GMT -6
You started immediately with suggesting it was a political hit job. Don't try to say now you're just being a cautious news reader. You don't get to promote a zero-evidence conspiracy theory and claim you're just a cautious person. For this reason, coconutbacon . Because you didn't just say, "I'm not sure I trust the source." You said, "Hmm, that's awfully convenient." That's, "I'm not going to give Brunton the same benefit of the doubt I give female victims, because it might be politically motivated even though I have no evidence of this." It's sexist, and your comments today are revisionist. I stand by that. You're right– I should have simply said that I didn't trust the source. I thought that when I was asked to clarify I made that clear, but that should have been what I led with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 12:14:36 GMT -6
Jerry Brown is my spirit animal right now.
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