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Post by icedcoffee on Oct 25, 2017 13:30:50 GMT -6
that reminds me I forgot toby dumped the water thing on himself. that was unnecessary & I didn't understand that part or why it was needed. Agree. I liked the dance scene but the water part was odd. That's the part that took it way OTT for me
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Post by budders on Oct 25, 2017 14:07:57 GMT -6
I can’t verbalize a lot of my feelings about this episode, but my favorite scenes were: -Jack and Rebecca on the phone when she told him he was a miracle -Young Randall reading Kevin’s notebook -Rebecca talking to young Kate about her as a baby and how it feels to be a mom -All of Randall’s corny Dad jokes
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Post by reginaphalange8 on Oct 25, 2017 17:05:09 GMT -6
This show never ceses to suprises me. The brother is dead for sure or he would have told the brother his father was dying. I think he also would have called him instead of looking at old photos.
Ugh, I hate boy/girl things. I only have sisters but my boy cousins often got to do things I really wanted because we had girl/boy days.
I thought Kevin was going to tell Sophie for a second but he's clearly still in denial.
Toby was really funny this episode.
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Post by lostinfaith225 on Oct 26, 2017 4:31:00 GMT -6
I really enjoyed the Toby scene tonight.
I’m also not a fan of the addiction story if it breaks up him and Sophie, but maybe he will finally come to terms with his dad.
Randall dying lol hilarious. I love me some dq.
I loved the Rebecca and Little kate scenes.
Brother?????
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Post by lostinfaith225 on Oct 26, 2017 4:31:33 GMT -6
And didn’t mean to have a sad face with the brother. Ooops
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Post by reginaphalange8 on Oct 26, 2017 6:54:53 GMT -6
Do we know why Sophie and Kevin broke up before? I'm a little worried it was because of addiction but idk. Kevin seemed really against taking Vicodin in the beginning and I don't know if it is becuse he struggled with addiction before or just because of Jack.
They are both older now and I think she will help him through it this time.
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Post by jftb on Oct 26, 2017 6:56:27 GMT -6
Do we know why Sophie and Kevin broke up before? I'm a little worried it was because of addiction but idk. Kevin seemed really against taking Vicodin in the beginning and I don't know if it is becuse he struggled with addiction before or just because of Jack. They are both older now and I think she will help him through it this time. He cheated on her.
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Post by yianna on Oct 26, 2017 9:19:48 GMT -6
I'll be really pissed if Kate loses the baby. I'm secretly hoping it's a boy that she names Jack.
And the brother twist? I really didn't see that coming. I doubt we'll get any more information on that for a few weeks though.
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Post by thankfulsnail on Oct 26, 2017 12:36:44 GMT -6
I echo a lot of what you all have already said, although I did feel like Kate was a little to harsh toward Toby when she told him she was pregnant- I understand where she's coming from but I just wish she could have been a little more gentler and let him feel his feelings for himself.
The scenes with Kevin and Randall really irked me. Little kid Kevin reminds me a lot of DH's brothers when they were kids- constantly picking on him and finding ways to humiliate or torture him. But unlike Jack, DH's parents never intervened or tried to improve it, they thought it was funny. I was shocked that DH was laughing at Kevin picking on Randall but I didn't dare point out the connection that I see.
What I love about this show is it seems like there's always a storyline that resonates with me. I can't relate to the Kevin addiction storyline so much, for example, but the one of Kevin and Randall as kids hit home. I feel like there's a particular storyline every week that makes me feel a strong connection to the characters, and then I come here and see multiple people saying other things that they relate to their own histories. As much as I might complain about certain characters, (*cough*Kate and Toby*cough*) clearly this show is well written and touches a lot of people in many different ways.
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Post by icedcoffee on Oct 26, 2017 13:13:03 GMT -6
Am I just forgetting Rebecca being horrible to Kate at some point? Because I'm missing where she hates her so much. I feel like Rebecca was a good mom to Kate especially with what has been shown lately. But then I also feel like I'm forgetting something
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Post by dragonflyinn on Oct 26, 2017 14:14:17 GMT -6
Am I just forgetting Rebecca being horrible to Kate at some point? Because I'm missing where she hates her so much. I feel like Rebecca was a good mom to Kate especially with what has been shown lately. But then I also feel like I'm forgetting something I think they are trying to show us a side of Rebecca that isn’t through kate’s lense. Like a few episodes ago Kate tells Rebecca she ruined her life by existing?? And I’m sure Rebecca had her perfectionist tendencies (how could you not with the mom she had) but I think they’re trying to show us how she really did her best with the skills she had. And i think Kate possibly becoming a mom will change how she sees her own mom. I’d love if Kate had a daughter herself and realized how much her mom did really try.
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Post by dragonflyinn on Oct 26, 2017 14:16:28 GMT -6
Basically I think Kate is a super insecure adult who took little things that happened & instead of processing them, decided to blame others. Like tell mom how that makes you feel instead of bottling it up for years. Jack seems so good at bringing out what’s inside of his kids that I’m surprised Kate has all this pent up aggression towards her mom, I feel like he would have encouraged her to talk it out w Rebecca. But maybe it got worse after Jack died.
I do like how they are showing each character as flawed and really trying to do his/her best.
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Post by reginaphalange8 on Oct 26, 2017 17:47:49 GMT -6
I may get flamed for this but i felt a little icky about Kate flaming the skinny woman (can't remember her name). I understand Kate's frustration but once an alcoholic, always and alcoholic right? Isn't it the same with any addiction? Clearly the woman's weight is fine but it doesn't mean she doesn't still struggle with food.
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Post by redbears on Oct 26, 2017 18:09:50 GMT -6
I get Kate’s frustration with Madison, but thought their fight in the parking lot was comical
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Post by redbears on Oct 26, 2017 18:18:48 GMT -6
Oy. That scene with Kevin on the phone with the doctor - not caring about important life things around him - hits a little close to home for me personally. I'm curious to see how they resolve this with him.
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Post by budders on Oct 26, 2017 18:22:53 GMT -6
Am I just forgetting Rebecca being horrible to Kate at some point? Because I'm missing where she hates her so much. I feel like Rebecca was a good mom to Kate especially with what has been shown lately. But then I also feel like I'm forgetting something I don’t think we’ve really seen the “why” yet. My guess is it’s a reaction to either Jack’s death or something that happens after. It seems like Kate is closer with Jack and it’s possible that the things she’s perceived as slights/inconsistencies from her Mom (thinking back to the singing episode) were magnified after the loss of her dad for some reason.
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Post by budders on Oct 26, 2017 18:27:09 GMT -6
I may get flamed for this but i felt a little icky about Kate flaming the skinny woman (can't remember her name). I understand Kate's frustration but once an alcoholic, always and alcoholic right? Isn't it the same with any addiction? Clearly the woman's weight is fine but it doesn't mean she doesn't still struggle with food. That bothered me too. The woman was really annoying, but thin people aren’t guaranteed to lead perfect happy lives just because they’re not overweight.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 26, 2017 18:41:51 GMT -6
I can’t verbalize a lot of my feelings about this episode, but my favorite scenes were: -Jack and Rebecca on the phone when she told him he was a miracle -Young Randall reading Kevin’s notebook -Rebecca talking to young Kate about her as a baby and how it feels to be a mom -All of Randall’s corny Dad jokes Oof. That notebook killed me. And I cried at Kate’s talk to Toby about just not having any expectations for the pregnancy. I thought it was a bit harsh but also thought it spoke volumes for how much he loves her that he was like - ok. If that’s what you need. And I loved his scene in the cafe. Embarrassing, sure. Likely unrealistic, of course. But damn it was cute and I loved it. Also, I adore Randall. I do. But dude. You cannot follow a female child who has a history of trauma into the bathroom. Boundaries. Please.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 26, 2017 18:43:03 GMT -6
I may get flamed for this but i felt a little icky about Kate flaming the skinny woman (can't remember her name). I understand Kate's frustration but once an alcoholic, always and alcoholic right? Isn't it the same with any addiction? Clearly the woman's weight is fine but it doesn't mean she doesn't still struggle with food. I don’t disagree with you at all but it feels so real. Especially given Kate’s current headspace.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 26, 2017 18:45:01 GMT -6
Am I just forgetting Rebecca being horrible to Kate at some point? Because I'm missing where she hates her so much. I feel like Rebecca was a good mom to Kate especially with what has been shown lately. But then I also feel like I'm forgetting something I don’t think we’ve really seen the “why” yet. My guess is it’s a reaction to either Jack’s death or something that happens after. It seems like Kate is closer with Jack and it’s possible that the things she’s perceived as slights/inconsistencies from her Mom (thinking back to the singing episode) were magnified after the loss of her dad for some reason. My guess is that there isn’t anything specific. Just that Kate has always felt “other” because of her weight and it’s easy to take those doubts and insecurities out on her mom. Who clearly doesn’t struggle with weight. As uncomfortable as I find it, I also really relate to that mother daughter weight issues thing
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 26, 2017 18:45:39 GMT -6
Excuse me while I spam the shit out of this thread.
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Post by tgrimes on Oct 26, 2017 19:03:37 GMT -6
I may get flamed for this but i felt a little icky about Kate flaming the skinny woman (can't remember her name). I understand Kate's frustration but once an alcoholic, always and alcoholic right? Isn't it the same with any addiction? Clearly the woman's weight is fine but it doesn't mean she doesn't still struggle with food. There’s no question that she has an issue with food, but that support group is probably not the correct one for her. KWIM? I’m not saying it was okay for Kate to attack her, but it seemed like the rest of the people in the group felt the same way.
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Post by thankfulsnail on Oct 27, 2017 10:15:45 GMT -6
I may get flamed for this but i felt a little icky about Kate flaming the skinny woman (can't remember her name). I understand Kate's frustration but once an alcoholic, always and alcoholic right? Isn't it the same with any addiction? Clearly the woman's weight is fine but it doesn't mean she doesn't still struggle with food. There’s no question that she has an issue with food, but that support group is probably not the correct one for her. KWIM? I’m not saying it was okay for Kate to attack her, but it seemed like the rest of the people in the group felt the same way. This. That woman definitely has body dysmorphic disorder and a bunch of other issues but she needs to find somewhere else to get her support- a group for people with multiple kinds of eating disorders would likely be a good fit. But that should have gently been told to her from the beginning by the support group organizer and not handled the way that Kate did.
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Post by junch817 on Oct 27, 2017 10:55:59 GMT -6
This doesn’t really need a spoiler but you never know if people are going to get mad - photo from this upcoming episode
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Post by junch817 on Oct 27, 2017 11:03:44 GMT -6
Am I just forgetting Rebecca being horrible to Kate at some point? Because I'm missing where she hates her so much. I feel like Rebecca was a good mom to Kate especially with what has been shown lately. But then I also feel like I'm forgetting something I feel like I remember a scene from last year where Rebecca made Kate eat something different than the other kids at breakfast. Or gave her way less than the others. Or maybe Jack was trying to give them all something junky to eat and Rebecca gave him a hard time and eyeballed Kate or something. I can’t remember exactly but I remember something last year.
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Post by michyme on Oct 27, 2017 11:42:22 GMT -6
This doesn’t really need a spoiler but you never know if people are going to get mad - photo from this upcoming episode can’t wait! And side note, she got the bruise in real life so that part doesn’t have to do with a fight in the show or anything.
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Post by notmoose on Oct 27, 2017 11:52:05 GMT -6
Am I just forgetting Rebecca being horrible to Kate at some point? Because I'm missing where she hates her so much. I feel like Rebecca was a good mom to Kate especially with what has been shown lately. But then I also feel like I'm forgetting something I feel like I remember a scene from last year where Rebecca made Kate eat something different than the other kids at breakfast. Or gave her way less than the others. Or maybe Jack was trying to give them all something junky to eat and Rebecca gave him a hard time and eyeballed Kate or something. I can’t remember exactly but I remember something last year. IIRC it was that Rebecca had kate eat different foods than the rest of the kids. Like, Randall and Kevin had sugary cereal or something and Kate had fruit. Which would be hard as a kid, but I feel like there's got to be more to why Kate is so angry at her mom apart from trying to help her be healthier? Unless it's just that Kate views her mom as this perfect woman: skinny, gorgeous, beautiful singing voice, etc and sees/feels the opposite of herself or felt like she couldn't be who she thought her mom wanted her to be. I hope that makes sense, I started rambling.
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