milano
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Post by milano on Sept 17, 2017 21:08:16 GMT -6
I just finished the Russia chapter and I am raging a bit.
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Post by doublestuf on Sept 19, 2017 15:38:12 GMT -6
I am 50 pages in.....it's refreshing to hear her so....loose. Right? It makes me angry. She's funny as hell and completely relatable, but in a way she's never been able to let come across in a political arena mostly because she's a woman. She's been keeping that back for nearly 40 years. My copy won't be here until tomorrow, but H and I were watching the interview on Maddow, and he said something along the lines, "See this side of her is totally likable. This is what she was missing during the election." I had one of those lose my shit tone of voices as I reminded him of the sexism involved and how it simply wasn't that easy for her.ðŸ˜
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Post by bazi on Sept 20, 2017 6:56:02 GMT -6
I am watching her on Colbert and am like, close to teary. I will blame pregnancy hormones.
Good Goddamn she should be President.
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Post by bazi on Sept 20, 2017 6:58:12 GMT -6
Right? It makes me angry. She's funny as hell and completely relatable, but in a way she's never been able to let come across in a political arena mostly because she's a woman. She's been keeping that back for nearly 40 years. My copy won't be here until tomorrow, but H and I were watching the interview on Maddow, and he said something along the lines, "See this side of her is totally likable. This is what she was missing during the election." I had one of those lose my shit tone of voices as I reminded him of the sexism involved and how it simply wasn't that easy for her.😠Ugh I remember having those conversations in 08 and last year. Is Trump likable? No.
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Post by lea on Sept 20, 2017 18:23:07 GMT -6
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Post by doublestuf on Sept 21, 2017 18:16:45 GMT -6
Sigh...just finished the chapter on grit and gratitude with tears streaming down my face. I can't put my finger on exactly why. I think I recognize the truth in her words having experienced similar feelings as well as having such deep respect for her ability to be so composed and wise.
I just.. ugh. She would have been amazing as our President.
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Post by enchanted on Sept 21, 2017 18:43:49 GMT -6
I had to take a break because of family stuff the last few days and am diving back in. It makes me so sad. She is funny and smart and so many other things she couldn't show on the campaign trail for the simple fact that she had a vagina and dared to reach.
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Post by Bookshelves on Sept 21, 2017 20:08:40 GMT -6
Public library came through with the ebook! Silver lining of living in deep red state? Barely a wait on my hold...
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Post by enchanted on Sept 22, 2017 19:18:41 GMT -6
I'm halfway through the book. So far, I've cried reading it at home, out eating Tex Mex by myself, and now at a PTA movie night. Just bawling over the convention. It's killing me.
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milano
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Post by milano on Sept 22, 2017 19:41:20 GMT -6
I finished this book a few days ago. When it ended, I was somewhat devastated because it ended when my kindle said I was at 75%! She's got a thorough index in the back. So mentally I wasn't ready for it to end and I was very upset.
But, once I got over that, I felt (and still feel) So Goddamned Motivated! Like I am ready to get involved in my community. I might even run for office someday. But at minimum, I'm planning to get more involved in campaigning. And before I read her book I liked Hillary and I wanted her to be president, but her book made me love her. And I'm so sad for what could have been.
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Post by enchanted on Sept 23, 2017 15:34:06 GMT -6
And I cried again as I read her words about Chelsea.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Sept 25, 2017 15:54:21 GMT -6
So I'm halfway through the chapter about the email scandal and it was already making me so mad just going through that again, when I saw the news about Kushner's private email. And I think I blacked out from rage at the unfairness of it all.
I loved Maggie Haberman's take that one key difference in the two cases is that Kushner has a .gov email address that he does use for work, IN ADDITION to this private email he was also using for work -- clearly the point is obfuscation and secrecy -- whereas Clinton never had a .gov email address.
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Post by doublestuf on Sept 26, 2017 18:39:41 GMT -6
You guys, when she talks about Chelsea and becoming a mom ....😢ðŸ˜
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Post by enchanted on Sept 26, 2017 19:42:21 GMT -6
You guys, when she talks about Chelsea and becoming a mom ....😢😠Right? I wish she had been able to show that side on the trail. I think more women would have voted for her. Well, white women. WOC did vote for her. Of course, less men probably would have voted for her.
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Post by Bluebird on Sept 26, 2017 20:54:28 GMT -6
I started last night, and it's so good. She is truly remarkable, and it's hard for me to let go of the "what ifs."
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Post by sherminator on Sept 26, 2017 21:51:52 GMT -6
me too Blue bird. I like her more and more over time. ( I think as she shows more of her human side) She was on Charlie Rose last night and just so articulate. I voted for her of course, but Im ashamed that I was more MEH in the old days
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Post by Bookshelves on Sept 28, 2017 6:30:18 GMT -6
I was a little bored by the background leading up to the campaign. It was a little too... Bridget Jones, "Introduce people with thoughtful details." I am getting into the Women in Politics section now, and prefer that.
I appreciate that I'm getting to know more sides of HRC. Sometimes it has been hard for me to look past her Tracy Flick-ness, and I'm glad for the more unguarded moments in the book.
*I'm about 1/4 through the book, for those of you keeping track of my slowness.
**Today all my pop culture references will be from the 1990s, apparently
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Post by anastasia on Sept 29, 2017 4:23:20 GMT -6
My book came in yesterday, I'm starting today! Can't wait to discuss with you ladies.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Sept 29, 2017 11:33:34 GMT -6
I was a little bored by the background leading up to the campaign. It was a little too... Bridget Jones, "Introduce people with thoughtful details." I am getting into the Women in Politics section now, and prefer that. I appreciate that I'm getting to know more sides of HRC. Sometimes it has been hard for me to look past her Tracy Flick-ness, and I'm glad for the more unguarded moments in the book. *I'm about 1/4 through the book, for those of you keeping track of my slowness. **Today all my pop culture references will be from the 1990s, apparently I think the background on the campaign, particularly listing all the people, was kind of like her Oscar's speech thanking all the people who had a hand in her campaign. It was more for them than for the general reader. That is how I read it, too. I do think it illustrates a lot about her character that she goes out of her way to make sure people feel appreciated and gives credit where it is due.
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Post by Bookshelves on Sept 29, 2017 13:11:19 GMT -6
Well, right. I don't disagree. But I was still bored.
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Post by Bookshelves on Sept 29, 2017 13:11:49 GMT -6
I guess most Oscar speeches are kind of boring, too, actually.
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Post by jkjacq on Sept 29, 2017 17:50:34 GMT -6
I just finished up the part about the primary and the convention speeches. I'm crying all over at what could have been.
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 5, 2017 13:06:31 GMT -6
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Post by enchanted on Oct 11, 2017 9:28:08 GMT -6
I'm on the chapter where she lays out all the public knowledge of the Russian interference that was available up to printing time. It is overwhelming.
I'm mad again.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 11, 2017 11:04:14 GMT -6
Her chapter on election night has me crying again.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Oct 11, 2017 12:52:49 GMT -6
I really liked the book. I finished it a week ago but I was out of town last week.
I mentioned to my parents that I had read it, and my dad said "Ugh, awful, no one wants to hear it, she should just be quiet. Bernie should have been the nominee."
And then we got in a fight.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 11, 2017 13:08:15 GMT -6
I really liked the book. I finished it a week ago but I was out of town last week. I mentioned to my parents that I had read it, and my dad said "Ugh, awful, no one wants to hear it, she should just be quiet. Bernie should have been the nominee." And then we got in a fight. 🙄 At your dad. I had to put it down for various reasons. I also didn't want to just right through it without really absorbing everything. I have a lot of time on the car to read today and have only about 40 pages left.
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Post by anastasia on Oct 11, 2017 14:26:14 GMT -6
Did anyone else feel like she was trying a little too hard with the Bill stuff?
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Post by enchanted on Oct 11, 2017 15:42:50 GMT -6
Did anyone else feel like she was trying a little too hard with the Bill stuff? Yes and no. Obviously, she decided to stay with him and I think she is always having to defend that, so that played a part and maybe why it seems like she was trying too hard. And, also, while running for president, there is no better advisor than someone who did it successfully. When it happens to be your husband, he's going to pop up a lot more than a husband or an advisor normally would in a book. I do think they genuinely love each other. The candid photos of the two of them show that. Is it complicated? Yes.
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Post by charlotte on Oct 11, 2017 16:18:09 GMT -6
Hi I haven’t read the book. But I plan to.
Anyway, regarding her relationship with Bill. I noticed that after the election, when she was hunkering down in NY, each time she was spotted walking in the woods by another hiker, Bill was always with her. I found it telling. That is their private life, and although she would have known she’d likely see a few others on the trails, there wasn’t any compelling motivation for them to ‘stage’ spending that private time together during that period IMO.
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