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Post by bigbang on Jul 22, 2024 11:31:20 GMT -6
I disagree that it's dismissive to say it's going to be hard because of racism. It's just realistic and we can hold space for both hyping up and acknowledging blockers.
What I'm hearing is "it's going to be hard because this is a racist country so we need to be ready to fight," not "it's going to be hard because this is a racist country and so we should give up/pick someone else."
Yes, the second would be dismissive and defeating, but I've not seen anyone say that.
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Post by unheardof on Jul 22, 2024 11:32:50 GMT -6
Ok I’ll apologize if people felt I was dismissive by saying it’s not that easy I was not trying to do that You're not wrong and you have every right to your opinion. It's not going to be easy. |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 22, 2024 11:32:57 GMT -6
Ok I’ll apologize if people felt I was dismissive by saying it’s not that easy I was not trying to do that You better take this apologize back. You’ve nothing to apologize for. Thank you for this |
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Post by bigbang on Jul 22, 2024 11:33:00 GMT -6
Like, I get some folks want to jump right into the energy and the enthusiasm and the let's do this. And that's great for those in that place.
It's ok that not everyone is there yet and may need more than one night to process and talk it out.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 22, 2024 11:37:32 GMT -6
I disagree that it's dismissive to say it's going to be hard because of racism. It's just realistic and we can hold space for both hyping up and acknowledging blockers. What I'm hearing is "it's going to be hard because this is a racist country so we need to be ready to fight," not "it's going to be hard because this is a racist country and so we should give up/pick someone else." Yes, the second would be dismissive and defeating, but I've not seen anyone say that. Yes I in fact have said several times that she has my vote and I’ll do everything I can to hype her up to everyone I know. I will make phone calls send postcards etc. I’m not downplaying people’s actions either. I’m not saying we haven’t been through it as a country and there may be more people ready to fight, but I’ve also seen the others who have had to fight harder for basic rights and are defeated and it’s going to take a lot of work to get them to be ready to fight again |
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Post by bigbang on Jul 22, 2024 11:38:57 GMT -6
Ally Henny is a really great FB follow and has had some great posts about all this too.
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Post by miawallace on Jul 22, 2024 11:45:00 GMT -6
I don’t blame anyone for being weary at whatever happened 2016.
I know you guys don’t like hearing it but yt women have the worst track record.
I read somewhere that yt women are going to vote for their whiteness or womanhood this election and that’s scary to think about but this is the chance to prove everyone wrong. Im no my going to coddle no yt woman nor myself here.
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Post by origami on Jul 22, 2024 11:52:42 GMT -6
I don’t blame anyone for being weary at whatever happened 2016. I know you guys don’t like hearing it but yt women have the worst track record. I read somewhere that yt women are going to vote for their whiteness or womanhood this election and that’s scary to think about but this is the chance to prove everyone wrong. Im no my going to coddle no yt woman nor myself here. This is what I’m trying to get at. I don’t blame the weariness, but we have to be so so careful not to slide into defeatism. I never said it was dismissive to say it’ll be hard because racism, it feels dismissive TO ME to hear it’s not as easy as you think it’ll be. No one here thinks that. Wallow all you want but us white women have the bigger responsibility here. Be where you are, do what you will, if one person is allowed to express a perceived dismissiveness others are as well. I’m going on vacation now, see you on the campaign trail ✌🏻 |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 22, 2024 11:58:25 GMT -6
I don’t blame anyone for being weary at whatever happened 2016. I know you guys don’t like hearing it but yt women have the worst track record. I read somewhere that yt women are going to vote for their whiteness or womanhood this election and that’s scary to think about but this is the chance to prove everyone wrong. Im no my going to coddle no yt woman nor myself here. This is what I’m trying to get at. I don’t blame the weariness, but we have to be so so careful not to slide into defeatism. I never said it was dismissive to say it’ll be hard because racism, it feels dismissive TO ME to hear it’s not as easy as you think it’ll be. No one here thinks that. Wallow all you want but us white women have the bigger responsibility here. Be where you are, do what you will, if one person is allowed to express a perceived dismissiveness others are as well. I’m going on vacation now, see you on the campaign trail ✌🏻 But my point was that it’s going to be hard because of racism so by calling me dismissive for saying that because you are working hard is in fact dismissive. I purposely said it will be hard because of racism. |
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Post by miawallace on Jul 22, 2024 12:01:38 GMT -6
I don’t blame anyone for being weary at whatever happened 2016. I know you guys don’t like hearing it but yt women have the worst track record. I read somewhere that yt women are going to vote for their whiteness or womanhood this election and that’s scary to think about but this is the chance to prove everyone wrong. Im no my going to coddle no yt woman nor myself here. This is what I’m trying to get at. I don’t blame the weariness, but we have to be so so careful not to slide into defeatism. I never said it was dismissive to say it’ll be hard because racism, it feels dismissive TO ME to hear it’s not as easy as you think it’ll be. No one here thinks that. Wallow all you want but us white women have the bigger responsibility here. Be where you are, do what you will, if one person is allowed to express a perceived dismissiveness others are as well. I’m going on vacation now, see you on the campaign trail ✌🏻 We are home alone Kevin this shit. This is my country we must defend it. I find it more annoying when I hear yt people say they are leaving to another country bc they can’t live in a trump presidency again. stop being wimp ass bitches and stay and fight for this one. Republicans are so corny. Dems are far more clever and intelligent - we might be able to do this if we stop being so afraid . |
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Post by overboard on Jul 22, 2024 12:08:16 GMT -6
I’m not saying it’s going to be easy. Not at all. I was disagreeing with the statement that there’s no way a woman, much less a Black woman can win. I absolutely know how racist this country is. We can still do this. But I get that not everyone feels the same as me. I should just ditto jaygee and origami. I am not great at expressing myself sometimes. |
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Post by Bookshelves on Jul 22, 2024 12:09:57 GMT -6
He was just wondering if there would be an open convention - that’s all. He was just curious. He wasnt going to run or anything. Sure Jan. He just had to float that lead balloon first. |
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Post by bigbang on Jul 22, 2024 12:17:53 GMT -6
I don’t blame anyone for being weary at whatever happened 2016. I know you guys don’t like hearing it but yt women have the worst track record. I read somewhere that yt women are going to vote for their whiteness or womanhood this election and that’s scary to think about but this is the chance to prove everyone wrong. Im no my going to coddle no yt woman nor myself here. This is what I’m trying to get at. I don’t blame the weariness, but we have to be so so careful not to slide into defeatism. I never said it was dismissive to say it’ll be hard because racism, it feels dismissive TO ME to hear it’s not as easy as you think it’ll be. No one here thinks that. Wallow all you want but us white women have the bigger responsibility here. Be where you are, do what you will, if one person is allowed to express a perceived dismissiveness others are as well. I’m going on vacation now, see you on the campaign trail ✌🏻 It's been 24 hours, I don't know that anywhere here is wallowing. And of course you're allowed to express anything you want. I don't understand why disagreeing is the same as attempting to censor. I am confident everyone here will work their hardest, looking forward to celebrating in November. |
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Post by cnf on Jul 22, 2024 12:20:14 GMT -6
She’s an 82 yo white Republican from Michigan. She vastly over estimates Kid Rock’s star power. As do most people from Michigan. Pretty sure Kid Rock is only even relevant to entrenched Midwestern Republicans. I mean, has that dude even had a song in the last decade? |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 22, 2024 12:24:17 GMT -6
This is what I’m trying to get at. I don’t blame the weariness, but we have to be so so careful not to slide into defeatism. I never said it was dismissive to say it’ll be hard because racism, it feels dismissive TO ME to hear it’s not as easy as you think it’ll be. No one here thinks that. Wallow all you want but us white women have the bigger responsibility here. Be where you are, do what you will, if one person is allowed to express a perceived dismissiveness others are as well. I’m going on vacation now, see you on the campaign trail ✌🏻 It's been 24 hours, I don't know that anywhere here is wallowing. And of course you're allowed to express anything you want. I don't understand why disagreeing is the same as attempting to censor. I am confident everyone here will work their hardest, looking forward to celebrating in November. Yeah I’m not wallowing I’m being a realist I can fight for the cause and still say I was let down by my fellow white women in 2016 and hell 2020 too even though Biden won and that I worry it will happen again. And I’ll never dismiss the fact that BIPOC people are not all in on her. And they have their very valid reasons. But in the end she is my pick because DT cannot win again. He just can’t. |
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Post by SweetPotato on Jul 22, 2024 12:28:39 GMT -6
This is what I’m trying to get at. I don’t blame the weariness, but we have to be so so careful not to slide into defeatism. I never said it was dismissive to say it’ll be hard because racism, it feels dismissive TO ME to hear it’s not as easy as you think it’ll be. No one here thinks that. Wallow all you want but us white women have the bigger responsibility here. Be where you are, do what you will, if one person is allowed to express a perceived dismissiveness others are as well. I’m going on vacation now, see you on the campaign trail ✌🏻 But my point was that it’s going to be hard because of racism so by calling me dismissive for saying that because you are working hard is in fact dismissive. I purposely said it will be hard because of racism. It was dismissive (to me) that you thought you needed to tell me that Kamala is black and this is an issue in our country. As if I am unaware of either of those things. Hence the "no shit" because....... |
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Post by unheardof on Jul 22, 2024 13:02:29 GMT -6
I have an 18 year old brother and a 22 year old sister. They could not vote in 2016, along with their entire generation. We know this generation is different. They are not the generation that is voting a way just because their parents tell them to. They are the generation that was raised doing active shooter drills and DGAF who you marry. I think we can’t discount that we have had 8 years since 2016 and that’s been 8 years of the olds dying out and the youths becoming of age to vote. I don’t think it will be easy by any means, but I think it’s totally possible. Our priority should be energizing younger voters because we have a whole new voter pool this time around and a young(er) candidate. The fact that 2016 was 8 years ago is insane. It feels like it was just yesterday and 100 years ago at the same time. A family member is heading to Syracuse in the fall. She's sad she can't vote for Biden her first time being able to vote but excited for Kamala. |
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Post by Bookshelves on Jul 22, 2024 13:17:11 GMT -6
I couldn’t drink in 2016 because I was pregnant, which isn’t the case this time. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. I can’t believe we’re having to endure a THIRD Trump presidential campaign in general. We’re being punished because he’s a loser.
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Post by Bookshelves on Jul 22, 2024 13:18:02 GMT -6
I was wallowing yesterday, but I’ve moved on. I will apply my energies.
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Post by elle on Jul 22, 2024 13:22:37 GMT -6
I couldn’t drink in 2016 because I was pregnant, which isn’t the case this time. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. I can’t believe we’re having to endure a THIRD Trump presidential campaign in general. We’re being punished because he’s a loser. Same. Although in 2016 I was also nervous but not like I am now facing down a possible 2nd Trump term. |
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Post by addymac on Jul 22, 2024 13:50:22 GMT -6
You better take this apologize back. You’ve nothing to apologize for. Thank you for this If you knew me in real life, right now I’d say. “What? Shut the fuck up girl.” In the best way possible. You have NO reason to apologize. You have a very realistic view and worry about this country letting her win. You have hundreds of years of proof on your side and are living life with a DH and DD who have to deal with the racism of this country. Do we want her to win? YES. Do we think it could happen? YES. Do we know the mere fact that she is a BIPOC will mean plenty of people will NOT vote for her? YES. Saying these thoughts and worries out loud does not mean we are defeatists. It means we are realistic. And you are entitled to your feelings. Anyone making you feel otherwise should STFU. |
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Post by dc2london on Jul 22, 2024 14:08:11 GMT -6
She’s an 82 yo white Republican from Michigan. She vastly over estimates Kid Rock’s star power. As do most people from Michigan. Speaking of Michigan republicans, I was in MI-09 earlier this summer and MY GOSH I have nevet seen as many signs for someone as I saw for Lisa McClain..she is running, unopposed, in a primary, people! |
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Post by dc2london on Jul 22, 2024 14:14:31 GMT -6
I have an 18 year old brother and a 22 year old sister. They could not vote in 2016, along with their entire generation. We know this generation is different. They are not the generation that is voting a way just because their parents tell them to. They are the generation that was raised doing active shooter drills and DGAF who you marry. I think we can’t discount that we have had 8 years since 2016 and that’s been 8 years of the olds dying out and the youths becoming of age to vote. I don’t think it will be easy by any means, but I think it’s totally possible. Our priority should be energizing younger voters because we have a whole new voter pool this time around and a young(er) candidate. I completely agree. I have an 18 and a 19 yo getting to vote for the first time. They were not jazzed to vote for Biden. Both - and their friends- are already so much more excited. Getting out the youth vote should be a huge priority. We know outside influences will flood misinformation campaigns too. I hope the Harris campaign is ALL OVER social media- especially TikTok. The world is a different place. We need to campaign like things have changed. My kid said to me yesterday, "This will be the last presidential election I can't vote in, and we need to work really hard to make sure it's not the actual LAST election" |
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Post by junch817 on Jul 22, 2024 14:40:19 GMT -6
I couldn’t drink in 2016 because I was pregnant, which isn’t the case this time. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. I can’t believe we’re having to endure a THIRD Trump presidential campaign in general. We’re being punished because he’s a loser. I’ve raged about this soooo many times, about having to endure a THIRD presidential run from Trump. Like, please just crawl back into the hole you came from already. |
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Post by 4speedy on Jul 22, 2024 14:52:52 GMT -6
She’s an 82 yo white Republican from Michigan. She vastly over estimates Kid Rock’s star power. As do most people from Michigan. Speaking of Michigan republicans, I was in MI-09 earlier this summer and MY GOSH I have nevet seen as many signs for someone as I saw for Lisa McClain..she is running, unopposed, in a primary, people! She’s my congressperson. She’s horrible. But people LOVE her in my neighborhood. There’s actually a pretty good Dem running in the D primary. Too bad he doesn’t really stand a chance. Nearly all of my local races will be decided in the primary because it’s all Republicans. But man, they sure are slinging mud at each other. My township and the one next to us are having BRUTAL knock-down drag-out fights amongst the R’s |
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Post by klw on Jul 22, 2024 15:09:13 GMT -6
I couldn’t drink in 2016 because I was pregnant, which isn’t the case this time. Not sure if that’s a good or bad thing. I can’t believe we’re having to endure a THIRD Trump presidential campaign in general. We’re being punished because he’s a loser. I’ve raged about this soooo many times, about having to endure a THIRD presidential run from Trump. Like, please just crawl back into the hole you came from already. Praying that the name never appears again either! I did see that this is the 1st election in 48 years that doesn't have the name Bush, Clinton, or Biden appear on the ballot as a president or vice presidential candidate. |
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Post by dc2london on Jul 22, 2024 15:55:26 GMT -6
Speaking of Michigan republicans, I was in MI-09 earlier this summer and MY GOSH I have nevet seen as many signs for someone as I saw for Lisa McClain..she is running, unopposed, in a primary, people! She’s my congressperson. She’s horrible. But people LOVE her in my neighborhood. There’s actually a pretty good Dem running in the D primary. Too bad he doesn’t really stand a chance. Nearly all of my local races will be decided in the primary because it’s all Republicans. But man, they sure are slinging mud at each other. My township and the one next to us are having BRUTAL knock-down drag-out fights amongst the R’s She's my sister's rep too since redistricting |
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