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Post by angelashly on Jul 1, 2024 14:02:38 GMT -6
I think someone or someones refuse to believe that LE would lie or be involved and that’s the reason for the hung jury. Will be interesting to see what the FBI investigation reveals. I don’t think the state will retry this case. It was too embarrassing for them. I bet you are right. So many hold police way to high on the has morals chain when they are humans and it’s been shown that’s not the case |
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Post by PandaWatch on Jul 1, 2024 15:03:31 GMT -6
I think someone or someones refuse to believe that LE would lie or be involved and that’s the reason for the hung jury. Will be interesting to see what the FBI investigation reveals. I don’t think the state will retry this case. It was too embarrassing for them. The Commonwealth has already said they would retry it (in a press release after the mistrial was declared). I hope the FBI investigation is less corrupt ☹️ |
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Post by smilesp on Jul 1, 2024 15:06:34 GMT -6
I think someone or someones refuse to believe that LE would lie or be involved and that’s the reason for the hung jury. Will be interesting to see what the FBI investigation reveals. I don’t think the state will retry this case. It was too embarrassing for them. The Commonwealth has already said they would retry it (in a press release after the mistrial was declared). I hope the FBI investigation is less corrupt ☹️ Well, they might change their minds about retrying it if some of their star witnesses get indicted by the FBI. |
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Post by brux on Jul 1, 2024 15:13:31 GMT -6
The foreperson's note is really interesting and certainly screams to me that smilesp's hunch is right about people refusing to believe cops got this wrong. “Judge Cannone, despite our commitment to the duty entrusted to us, we find ourselves deeply divided by fundamental differences in our opinions and state of mind,” Monday’s note read. “The divergence in our views are not rooted in a lack of understanding or effort but deeply held convictions that each of us carry, ultimately leading to a point where consensus is unattainable. We recognize the weight of this admission and the implications it holds.” “The deep division is not due to a lack of effort or diligence, but rather a sincere adherence to our individual principles and moral convictions,” the foreperson wrote. “To continue to deliberate would be futile and only serve to force us to compromise these deeply held beliefs.” |
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Post by McBenny on Jul 1, 2024 16:25:26 GMT -6
I think someone or someones refuse to believe that LE would lie or be involved and that’s the reason for the hung jury. Will be interesting to see what the FBI investigation reveals. I don’t think the state will retry this case. It was too embarrassing for them. I bet you are right. So many hold police way to high on the has morals chain when they are humans and it’s been shown that’s not the case I am always amazed by these people. Those and the ones that put teachers on a pedestal as well. No shade to the professions but they are just regular people to me. No more, no less. |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 1, 2024 16:31:22 GMT -6
I bet you are right. So many hold police way to high on the has morals chain when they are humans and it’s been shown that’s not the case I am always amazed by these people. Those and the ones that put teachers on a pedestal as well. No shade to the professions but they are just regular people to me. No more, no less. Yes! I know teachers who are amazing and put their heart and soul into it and then I know teachers who literally don’t like their students every single year and do the bare minimum. |
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Post by Sweetjane on Jul 8, 2024 20:59:29 GMT -6
Are y'all seeing this update?
Am I understanding this correctly, she was found not guilty and can't be re tried?
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Post by smilesp on Jul 8, 2024 21:58:33 GMT -6
Are y'all seeing this update? Am I understanding this correctly, she was found not guilty and can't be re tried? I’ve seen it but I don’t think anything is settled yet. I also saw that Proctor is suspended without pay. Hopefully, that means he’s on the way to being terminated. |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 9, 2024 5:47:24 GMT -6
Are y'all seeing this update? Am I understanding this correctly, she was found not guilty and can't be re tried? I’ve seen it but I don’t think anything is settled yet. I also saw that Proctor is suspended without pay. Hopefully, that means he’s on the way to being terminated. Correct it is on 2/3 counts and the prosecution is getting their answer together. Makes me wonder on the whole city’s justice system unless this is normal. |
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Post by brux on Jul 9, 2024 6:01:03 GMT -6
Karen’s attorneys filed a motion with the court (which is them presenting their argument to the judge) about 2/3 of the charges. The State will argue their side and then the court will decide.
It seems like a bit of a reach to me, that the judge would dismiss 2/3 of the charges based this. But I’m not a lawyer.
Jurors in the trial of Karen Read unanimously concluded she was not guilty of murder or of leaving the scene of a deadly accident, and were deadlocked on only the remaining manslaughter charge before the judge abruptly declared a mistrial, her defense team said Monday.
The disclosure was made in a defense motion Monday in which they argued that retrying Read on those two counts “would violate” the double jeopardy protections in the U.S. and Massachusetts constitutions. If the court needs additional information, the defense said, it should approve a “post-verdict inquiry” in which they are allowed to “seek additional proof from the jurors” regarding their having “unanimously acquitted the defendant of two of the three charges against her.”
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Post by smilesp on Jul 9, 2024 7:00:39 GMT -6
I’m confused as to why all 3 charges were not addressed separately and why the judge did not ask or instruct them to clarify if they were hung on all 3.
Apparently, this came about because one or more jurors reached out to the defense.
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Post by angelashly on Jul 9, 2024 7:14:23 GMT -6
I’m confused as to why all 3 charges were not addressed separately and why the judge did not ask or instruct them to clarify if they were hung on all 3. Apparently, this came about because one or more jurors reached out to the defense. The defense believes the judge did know about those 2 |
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Post by smilesp on Jul 9, 2024 7:24:26 GMT -6
I’m confused as to why all 3 charges were not addressed separately and why the judge did not ask or instruct them to clarify if they were hung on all 3. Apparently, this came about because one or more jurors reached out to the defense. The defense believes the judge did know about those 2 Oh…like she just ignored those 2 and declared a mistrial?? 😬 I guess it wouldn’t surprise me because the judge’s behavior was…odd throughout the trial. |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 9, 2024 7:47:06 GMT -6
The defense believes the judge did know about those 2 Oh…like she just ignored those 2 and declared a mistrial?? 😬 I guess it wouldn’t surprise me because the judge’s behavior was…odd throughout the trial. That’s what they are saying I believe |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 9, 2024 7:48:57 GMT -6
I think the real though is that she didn’t ask them about which one they were hung on.
Not sure if that is standard or not
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Post by Sweetjane on Jul 9, 2024 8:37:44 GMT -6
I’ve seen it but I don’t think anything is settled yet. I also saw that Proctor is suspended without pay. Hopefully, that means he’s on the way to being terminated. Correct it is on 2/3 counts and the prosecution is getting their answer together. Makes me wonder on the whole city’s justice system unless this is normal. This is totally not normal. The judge should have asked the jury on which counts they were deadlocked. She didn't, she read it and withheld that information from the defendant and the court. |
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Post by angelashly on Jul 9, 2024 8:49:35 GMT -6
Correct it is on 2/3 counts and the prosecution is getting their answer together. Makes me wonder on the whole city’s justice system unless this is normal. This is totally not normal. The judge should have asked the jury on which counts they were deadlocked. She didn't, she read it and withheld that information from the defendant and the court. I believe prosecutors are saying what the judge got on the note does not say anything about being in agreement on any of them |
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Post by hugsfordrugs on Jul 9, 2024 15:03:28 GMT -6
I can’t believe it was a 9-3 in favor of charging her with manslaughter.
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Post by lucylou on Nov 7, 2024 12:36:37 GMT -6
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