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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 7, 2023 17:27:52 GMT -6
What the fucking fuck is wrong with people. Jesus.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 7, 2023 18:59:35 GMT -6
I made us a thread for SOTU chat
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Post by dc2london on Feb 7, 2023 19:00:53 GMT -6
I had heard rumblings about this last week but The NY Times has now confirmed. Absolutely sickening. This is beyond messed up, WTF But tell me again about "a few bad apples" and not institutional failure
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Post by sifl on Feb 7, 2023 19:26:54 GMT -6
We *very briefly* considered buying a summer home up here when I was trying to convince H to move. But ultimately I would feel like a huge piece of shit owning two homes. I don’t think anyone should own more than one house. I think there are so many variables to two home situations. Sometimes it’s a dick thing to do. Sometimes it’s not. I think all of those “variables” are just excuses, but that probably a convo double home owners aren’t ready to have.
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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 7, 2023 20:12:17 GMT -6
I think there are so many variables to two home situations. Sometimes it’s a dick thing to do. Sometimes it’s not. I think all of those “variables” are just excuses, but that probably a convo double home owners aren’t ready to have. Okie dokie
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Post by sifl on Feb 7, 2023 20:14:23 GMT -6
I think all of those “variables” are just excuses, but that probably a convo double home owners aren’t ready to have. Okie dokie I’m ready to give anyone interested some food for thought, for the record.
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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 7, 2023 20:32:20 GMT -6
I’m ready to give anyone interested some food for thought, for the record. Personally I prefer conversations to lectures. And you’re not coming across as open to that. So for those reasons…I’m out.
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Post by sifl on Feb 7, 2023 20:36:29 GMT -6
I’m ready to give anyone interested some food for thought, for the record. Personally I prefer conversations to lectures. And you’re not coming across as open to that. So for those reasons…I’m out. My offer stands for anyone else. I don’t make a habit of lecturing, but I think most folks here know that.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 8, 2023 1:18:51 GMT -6
I think there are so many variables to two home situations. Sometimes it’s a dick thing to do. Sometimes it’s not. I think all of those “variables” are just excuses, but that probably a convo double home owners aren’t ready to have. so my parents should've felt like pieces of shit when my mom had an apartment in Portugal and a home in the US so she had somewhere to live when she came to visit her home country for 1-2 months at a time? You absolutely could have presented your opinion without the virtue signaling and condescension. if you want someone to take your opinion seriously without being defensive you shouldn't start off insulting them.
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Post by sifl on Feb 8, 2023 1:40:53 GMT -6
I think all of those “variables” are just excuses, but that probably a convo double home owners aren’t ready to have. so my parents should've felt like pieces of shit when my mom had an apartment in Portugal and a home in the US so she had somewhere to live when she came to visit her home country for 1-2 months at a time? You absolutely could have presented your opinion without the virtue signaling and condescension. if you want someone to take your opinion seriously without being defensive you shouldn't start off insulting them. First of all, I said *I* would have felt like a piece of shit owning a summer home. And yes, I think it’s in poor form in this world to own more than one home. I think if you own more than one home and you feel defensive about my opinion, that’s an opportunity for some self reflection.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 8, 2023 1:54:10 GMT -6
so my parents should've felt like pieces of shit when my mom had an apartment in Portugal and a home in the US so she had somewhere to live when she came to visit her home country for 1-2 months at a time? You absolutely could have presented your opinion without the virtue signaling and condescension. if you want someone to take your opinion seriously without being defensive you shouldn't start off insulting them. First of all, I said *I* would have felt like a piece of shit owning a summer home. And yes, I think it’s in poor form in this world to own more than one home. I think if you own more than one home and you feel defensive about my opinion, that’s an opportunity for some self reflection. it isn't your opinion i object to or feel defensive about, its your presentation. You could present your perfectly valid in a way that didn't call variables "excuses" for example. Might've been productive.
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Post by sifl on Feb 8, 2023 2:20:27 GMT -6
First of all, I said *I* would have felt like a piece of shit owning a summer home. And yes, I think it’s in poor form in this world to own more than one home. I think if you own more than one home and you feel defensive about my opinion, that’s an opportunity for some self reflection. it isn't your opinion i object to or feel defensive about, its your presentation. You could present your perfectly valid in a way that didn't call variables "excuses" for example. Might've been productive. If you say so. Feel free to carry on a “productive” conversation without me if that’s the case. Also I am not accepting opinions on my tone or word choice at this time, thank you.
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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 8, 2023 7:35:46 GMT -6
it isn't your opinion i object to or feel defensive about, its your presentation. You could present your perfectly valid in a way that didn't call variables "excuses" for example. Might've been productive. If you say so. Feel free to carry on a “productive” conversation without me if that’s the case. Also I am not accepting opinions on my tone or word choice at this time, thank you. Lol
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Post by goldenbird on Feb 8, 2023 9:09:22 GMT -6
I'm not understanding why owning two homes or residences is a problem. Is it because it's taking a property away from someone else who could buy it?
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Post by goldenbird on Feb 8, 2023 9:15:30 GMT -6
I'll never be able to buy a second house so it's not something I've thought about.
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Post by elle on Feb 8, 2023 9:28:56 GMT -6
Not surprised in the least.
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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 8, 2023 9:43:06 GMT -6
I'm not understanding why owning two homes or residences is a problem. Is it because it's taking a property away from someone else who could buy it? That's part of it. And in resort destinations like where loony lives it's pricing the people who actually live there out of their own communities. It can be very problematic for sure. But because human and real estate conditions are not uniform there's not always that negative impact. And it doesn't make sense practically to have some "one house only" rule. I know someone who lives in one place. She and her husband have owned/run a small business there for many years. Their son is autistic and she found a school for him that is such a perfect fit. But it is 4 hours away from their home. So they made the decision that she takes him every Sunday night to the city where the school is and husband/other son stay home. They live in the other city during the week and come home every Friday. They bought a home in the city where the school is and...now own two homes. Should she have not enrolled her son in the school best suited for him? Should they abandon their business and income to all move? Should they just rent the second home? And if they do that...where does the landlord live if he only owns the home they are renting?
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Post by loony on Feb 8, 2023 10:21:48 GMT -6
I'm not understanding why owning two homes or residences is a problem. Is it because it's taking a property away from someone else who could buy it? That's part of it. And in resort destinations like where loony lives it's pricing the people who actually live there out of their own communities. It can be very problematic for sure. But because human and real estate conditions are not uniform there's not always that negative impact. And it doesn't make sense practically to have some "one house only" rule. I know someone who lives in one place. She and her husband have owned/run a small business there for many years. Their son is autistic and she found a school for him that is such a perfect fit. But it is 4 hours away from their home. So they made the decision that she takes him every Sunday night to the city where the school is and husband/other son stay home. They live in the other city during the week and come home every Friday. They bought a home in the city where the school is and...now own two homes. Should she have not enrolled her son in the school best suited for him? Should they abandon their business and income to all move? Should they just rent the second home? And if they do that...where does the landlord live if he only owns the home they are renting? All of this is true. I don't begrudge a lot of the transplants or partial part time transplants. However many of the second homes are either empty except for holidays or vacation rentals and the demand for those types of homes in our community drives the prices up so that those who live here can't afford to purchase homes. We don't even have rentals for locals either. If an owner sells out from under you, good luck finding something else, let alone being able to afford it. We've had a mass exodus since the pandemic started, because so many transplants who now work from home moved in and snatched up all the housing. It's always been a chronic problem in the winter for seasonal workers, but now the problems are stretching to local families too.
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Post by goldenbird on Feb 8, 2023 10:57:08 GMT -6
I'm not understanding why owning two homes or residences is a problem. Is it because it's taking a property away from someone else who could buy it? That's part of it. And in resort destinations like where loony lives it's pricing the people who actually live there out of their own communities. It can be very problematic for sure. But because human and real estate conditions are not uniform there's not always that negative impact. And it doesn't make sense practically to have some "one house only" rule. I know someone who lives in one place. She and her husband have owned/run a small business there for many years. Their son is autistic and she found a school for him that is such a perfect fit. But it is 4 hours away from their home. So they made the decision that she takes him every Sunday night to the city where the school is and husband/other son stay home. They live in the other city during the week and come home every Friday. They bought a home in the city where the school is and...now own two homes. Should she have not enrolled her son in the school best suited for him? Should they abandon their business and income to all move? Should they just rent the second home? And if they do that...where does the landlord live if he only owns the home they are renting? That makes sense on both accounts. Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by sifl on Feb 8, 2023 11:03:09 GMT -6
Yes if you own a second home you should sell one. Or donate it to a local tribe. Especially if you’re a colonizer. We stole the land and buying second homes is perpetuating that act of genocide. That’s my opinion and I’m not alone in it, but people like SweetPotato don’t want to hear it (and I knew that last night, trust I know who I’m being snotty to). If you are confused about this opinion, I respectfully suggest you follow more affordable housing advocates and Indigenous activists.
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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 8, 2023 11:11:02 GMT -6
Yes if you own a second home you should sell one. Or donate it to a local tribe. Especially if you’re a colonizer. We stole the land and buying second homes is perpetuating that act of genocide. That’s my opinion and I’m not alone in it, but people like SweetPotato don’t want to hear it (and I knew that last night, trust I know who I’m being snotty to). If you are confused about this opinion, I respectfully suggest you follow more affordable housing advocates and Indigenous activists. Your inability to see grey spots of reality in your world of black and white is really impressive.
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Post by sifl on Feb 8, 2023 11:16:06 GMT -6
Yes if you own a second home you should sell one. Or donate it to a local tribe. Especially if you’re a colonizer. We stole the land and buying second homes is perpetuating that act of genocide. That’s my opinion and I’m not alone in it, but people like SweetPotato don’t want to hear it (and I knew that last night, trust I know who I’m being snotty to). If you are confused about this opinion, I respectfully suggest you follow more affordable housing advocates and Indigenous activists. Your inability to see grey spots of reality in your world of black and white is really impressive. Thanks! Would you like to elaborate on the gray spots of genocide in the Us? Perhaps throw out some more my poor business friend’s autistic son stories?
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Post by SweetPotato on Feb 8, 2023 11:20:54 GMT -6
Your inability to see grey spots of reality in your world of black and white is really impressive. Thanks! Would you like to elaborate on the gray spots of genocide in the Us? Perhaps throw out some more my poor business friend’s autistic son stories? Ooh tell me more about how you’re known for not lecturing
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Post by sifl on Feb 8, 2023 11:27:50 GMT -6
Thanks! Would you like to elaborate on the gray spots of genocide in the Us? Perhaps throw out some more my poor business friend’s autistic son stories? Ooh tell me more about how you’re known for not lecturing Ah, deflection. So gray.
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Post by starbuck on Feb 8, 2023 11:36:30 GMT -6
Idk wtf is happening with all that ^
But I don't know that if we want to talk about genocide, housing equity, etc, that attacking middle class folks who own a 2nd home for whatever reason (you can't dismiss people's complicating living situations as excuses writ large) is the place to start.
More progress would be made by focusing on income inequality, red lining, racism, equitable housing, zoning, and how indigenous communities are marginalized by the government. The systemic issues that continue to dictate winners and prioritize whiteness. With the benefit that we could find more points of agreement than starting out with any statements that (at least appear to) demonize people for a second hom.
And to be clear, I don't own a second home.
JMO.
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Post by AmyG on Feb 8, 2023 11:44:43 GMT -6
Donating your 2nd home to tribes is not a logical discussion IMHO. Many cities were developed in state because individuals wanted to visit vacation and live there part time. Most of Northern az sedona grand canyon area but much more of our state than that. the tourists brought in money so restaurants and shops were built.
the cabins and vacation homes however brought in the tax money for the roads electricity water services, hospitals and other infrastructure.
Sedona has nowhere for their regular folk, the service industry employees to live. But that's airbnb fault mostly. Homes on driving distance for work that would usually go up as rentals or for sale when people died moved or got tired of renting now stay closed out to locals as airbnbs. Cities need to tax and regulate the shit out of airbnbs.
I take more issue with air bnbs not 2nd homes someone actually lives in.
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Post by leahcar on Feb 8, 2023 11:53:13 GMT -6
An individual owning a second home is so much more nuanced. I think we should be getting creative about incenting people to have long term, affordable rentals, not shaming them for owning another piece of property. (If you want to shame slum lords or something- I'm game. But that's generally not what this is)
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Post by elle on Feb 8, 2023 12:34:19 GMT -6
There's also the issue of investment firms buying up affordable housing and relisting them at higher (unreasonable) prices and/letting the properties sit empty. It's a multifaceted issue and while people buying second homes and the exodus from cities during the pandemic definitely contributed to the housing crisis, focusing only on individuals who own two properties misses the systemic issues that are a larger contribution to the problem.
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Post by kbw on Feb 8, 2023 12:37:23 GMT -6
I’m not okay with saying if you own a second home you are okay with genocide (unless I’m misinterpreting what was written).
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Post by AmyG on Feb 8, 2023 12:38:53 GMT -6
lack of housing and no affordable rentals issue is so bad in some communities and absolutely impossible to find housing in other places.
Locally they've started to build a heck of a lot of rent only patio homes. Mostly 1 or 2 bedroom, detached from each other, super tiny yard almost enough for a patio table if it only seats two.
They are calling them build to rent homes. They are not for sale. Also called horizontal apartments. No garages.
They can get them approved in areas that are resistant to the zoning of apartments. Cant quite get the same number of units as a 2 story apartment complex of course. But they are jam packed 10 to 12+ homes on an acre.
From my house I can drive in any direction and find one of these little neighborhoods going in.
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