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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 25, 2023 18:07:14 GMT -6
I have not had a child with an IEP so I am not super familiar with all the ins and outs, but I have heard a parent at preschool pickup talking about her kindergartener on an IEP getting sent home early from school frequently or her having to go sit with him and it seems like such a failure from the school system. And maybe illegal? She seems very 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️ about it though Our education system is so broken in this country and we really need to do better I don’t know what that parent/child’s situation is, but I’ve been in buildings where this has happened. Unfortunately, if a child is a physical danger to themselves or others, this does happen. It’s uncommon, but oftentimes schools don’t have another good option. There are kids who can be physically aggressive to the point where it is not safe for them to be at school. It is only done as a last resort. I have no idea that’s the case is with the person you know, of course. It's not the impression I'm getting, it sounds like a lot of crying/separation anxiety and if the school just calls mom that's counterproductive. Obviously it's only what I'm hearing too though And if it is something dangerous or the school isn't capable of handling the issue, what's the next step? It seems like a lot of kids who really need help would get overlooked and left behind
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Post by coffeecake on Jan 25, 2023 18:20:06 GMT -6
I don’t know what that parent/child’s situation is, but I’ve been in buildings where this has happened. Unfortunately, if a child is a physical danger to themselves or others, this does happen. It’s uncommon, but oftentimes schools don’t have another good option. There are kids who can be physically aggressive to the point where it is not safe for them to be at school. It is only done as a last resort. I have no idea that’s the case is with the person you know, of course. It's not the impression I'm getting, it sounds like a lot of crying/separation anxiety and if the school just calls mom that's counterproductive. Obviously it's only what I'm hearing too though And if it is something dangerous or the school isn't capable of handling the issue, what's the next step? It seems like a lot of kids who really need help would get overlooked and left behind If they’re calling for crying/separation anxiety that is different. They should be equipped to deal with that issue, even if it takes a while. As far as kids posing a safety risk, it’s so hard. The kids I’ve known in that situation likely needed a diagnosis and special education services, but the parents did not want to get them tested/evaluated. So the school has to document incidents over a long period time, most likely at least an entire school year, then make a recommendation for testing or some other placement. The problem, at least in my state, is that if the school recommends testing, the district has to pay for it. So it’s only done in extreme cases because they don’t want to pay to test kids. If it’s determined that they can’t function in the public school, the district also had to pay for them somewhere else. It’s a cluster, honestly. And my district has excellent and a wide variety of special education programs and teachers. I can’t imagine what it’s like in other districts .
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Post by mrsweasley on Jan 25, 2023 19:59:16 GMT -6
It's not the impression I'm getting, it sounds like a lot of crying/separation anxiety and if the school just calls mom that's counterproductive. Obviously it's only what I'm hearing too though And if it is something dangerous or the school isn't capable of handling the issue, what's the next step? It seems like a lot of kids who really need help would get overlooked and left behind If they’re calling for crying/separation anxiety that is different. They should be equipped to deal with that issue, even if it takes a while. As far as kids posing a safety risk, it’s so hard. The kids I’ve known in that situation likely needed a diagnosis and special education services, but the parents did not want to get them tested/evaluated. So the school has to document incidents over a long period time, most likely at least an entire school year, then make a recommendation for testing or some other placement. The problem, at least in my state, is that if the school recommends testing, the district has to pay for it. So it’s only done in extreme cases because they don’t want to pay to test kids. If it’s determined that they can’t function in the public school, the district also had to pay for them somewhere else. It’s a cluster, honestly. And my district has excellent and a wide variety of special education programs and teachers. I can’t imagine what it’s like in other districts . Our district is also considered the best in our area for special needs students, at least from what I've seen from general word of mouth. I'm sure there's always room for improvement though. All kids deserve the best help for their needs
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Post by mathlete on Jan 26, 2023 6:44:10 GMT -6
Of course he did.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Jan 26, 2023 6:55:58 GMT -6
I can’t believe the IEP calls for a parent to be present with the child in the classroom. That seems extreme (because it seems that an aide does not suffice). It does sound like this child needed to be in a more restrictive environment.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Jan 26, 2023 6:56:36 GMT -6
It’s like “but I did better on the open book practice test”
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Post by byjove on Jan 26, 2023 7:24:41 GMT -6
I can’t believe the IEP calls for a parent to be present with the child in the classroom. That seems extreme (because it seems that an aide does not suffice). It does sound like this child needed to be in a more restrictive environment. It's also not clear to me why a parent wasn't there that day. If it was planned or not.
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Post by klw on Jan 26, 2023 7:58:02 GMT -6
Can you imagine the backlash the SCHOOL would of gotten if the child was assigned an aide who wasn't present when this happened? not following the IEP? Especially if another child was injured.
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Post by willow on Jan 26, 2023 8:28:24 GMT -6
Jesus Christ. I would be in full on scorched earth burn it down mode if my kid was in that classroom with that 6 year old after hearing the failings of the administration. Not that shooting the teacher was better than shooting another kid but imagining if he had and the child had died....fuck. I hope that teacher and her lawsuit body slams that administration to the ground in court. Fucking hell.
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Post by kbw on Jan 26, 2023 8:55:01 GMT -6
Did anyone listen to todays Daily podcast. I have a lot of feelings on the new recommendations related to childhood obesity.
If we are using BMI to determine morbid obesity it’s completely racist. Add in that Medicare/Medicaid won’t cover medication that they are recommending for kids over age 12 which makes it unobtainable for most, surgery is 100% life altering and the counseling they want to offer again is unobtainable for various reasons (money, ability to get to appts, pto of parents, ability for families to have access to equitable food to make some).
I get we need to do something about obesity but this feels very let’s help the well off white kids to me and is not going to fix the issues.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 26, 2023 9:23:41 GMT -6
My boo made it official!! Schiff is running for Senate!!
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Post by cakewench on Jan 26, 2023 9:29:48 GMT -6
My boo made it official!! Schiff is running for Senate!! I just saw his tweet and came running here 😂🥰
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Post by jaygee on Jan 26, 2023 9:30:54 GMT -6
I haven’t read much on the teacher shooting case so sorry if this has been covered - but has it been said how the kid got access to the gun? Because I have feelings there too.
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Post by willow on Jan 26, 2023 9:34:51 GMT -6
I haven’t read much on the teacher shooting case so sorry if this has been covered - but has it been said how the kid got access to the gun? Because I have feelings there too. The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet.
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Post by byjove on Jan 26, 2023 9:37:33 GMT -6
I haven’t read much on the teacher shooting case so sorry if this has been covered - but has it been said how the kid got access to the gun? Because I have feelings there too. The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet. The top shelf of a closet with a trigger lock is what the mom has said. Given everything we know, this is also woefully inadequate.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 26, 2023 9:41:08 GMT -6
I haven’t read much on the teacher shooting case so sorry if this has been covered - but has it been said how the kid got access to the gun? Because I have feelings there too. The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet. So many failure points here. I just question why anyone would have guns in the home at all given what they are going through with their child. But I’m so far on the no guns ever spectrum that I just have to shut down my thoughts there.
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Post by willow on Jan 26, 2023 9:50:13 GMT -6
The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet. The top shelf of a closet with a trigger lock is what the mom has said. Given everything we know, this is also woefully inadequate. ..... WHAT. They didn't even have it in a gun safe? What. the actual. fuck.
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Post by willow on Jan 26, 2023 9:52:52 GMT -6
The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet. So many failure points here. I just question why anyone would have guns in the home at all given what they are going through with their child. But I’m so far on the no guns ever spectrum that I just have to shut down my thoughts there. I completely agree. But I am also on your end of the spectrum too. My ex-ILs live in the country and my ex FIL has been a hunter his entire life so he has several rifles. I feel very fortunate that he is probably the biggest gun safety advocate that I know. All of his rifles are unloaded in a secure safe in a locked room in the basement, a place that my son would have to go extremely out of his way to find and figure out how to open, and then figure out how to load it, without anyone in the house noticing. Which, my ex-MIL is like a psychic and hears everything in that house so there is no way. It is the only house with guns (to my knowledge) that he is ever in regularly and I am glad their safety measures make me feel good about all of it.
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Post by byjove on Jan 26, 2023 9:57:33 GMT -6
The top shelf of a closet with a trigger lock is what the mom has said. Given everything we know, this is also woefully inadequate. ..... WHAT. They didn't even have it in a gun safe? What. the actual. fuck. WTAF indeed
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Post by goldenbird on Jan 26, 2023 10:54:52 GMT -6
The top shelf of a closet with a trigger lock is what the mom has said. Given everything we know, this is also woefully inadequate. ..... WHAT. They didn't even have it in a gun safe? What. the actual. fuck. Oh my God that is absolutely so fucked up!
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Post by fatpony on Jan 26, 2023 11:22:12 GMT -6
I haven’t read much on the teacher shooting case so sorry if this has been covered - but has it been said how the kid got access to the gun? Because I have feelings there too. The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet. Yes, by secure they mean not secure or safe at all. A+ job.
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Post by sweetpea on Jan 26, 2023 11:32:11 GMT -6
My boo made it official!! Schiff is running for Senate!! I am glad he did, this makes me so much more excited than Katie Porter
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Post by smilesp on Jan 26, 2023 11:33:57 GMT -6
The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet. The top shelf of a closet with a trigger lock is what the mom has said. Given everything we know, this is also woefully inadequate. Unfortunately, I think many gun owners store guns this way or with even less security and think it’s fine.
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Post by smilesp on Jan 26, 2023 11:35:47 GMT -6
Is there any interest in a Murdaugh murder trial thread? It looks like a jury will be empaneled later today or tomorrow. There is an old one on the GD board, I believe. I’m very interested in that case and have been following since the boat crash. Truth is truly stranger than fiction.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 26, 2023 11:45:09 GMT -6
The parents put out a statement saying their gun(s?) is always in a secure place where the child has no access. So...yeah. I believe that is part of the investigation though, but nothing else has come out yet. The top shelf of a closet with a trigger lock is what the mom has said. Given everything we know, this is also woefully inadequate. Trigger locks can be the most accessible and affordable (or sometimes even free) gun locks so I don't want to downplay their importance as a tool to fight gun violence. But with a child in the home, they really, really should have had their firearms in a safe.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 26, 2023 11:46:20 GMT -6
I can’t believe the IEP calls for a parent to be present with the child in the classroom. That seems extreme (because it seems that an aide does not suffice). It does sound like this child needed to be in a more restrictive environment. Yes. I'd bet a dollar it was a funding decision, not what was believed to be best for the child.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jan 26, 2023 11:52:58 GMT -6
The top shelf of a closet with a trigger lock is what the mom has said. Given everything we know, this is also woefully inadequate. Unfortunately, I think many gun owners store guns this way or with even less security and think it’s fine. this is very much my experience with gun owners, specifically in southern Virginia from the ocean to the mountains.
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Post by smilesp on Jan 26, 2023 12:15:58 GMT -6
This is probably a dumb question but there aren’t laws about how guns have to be stored, correct?
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Post by richard on Jan 26, 2023 12:22:25 GMT -6
The gun situation and the parent's claim that it was locked up, my initial reaction is that they're probably lying about it. But my X lied about his guns to any authority asking him, like the pediatrician would ask about guns and he said they were locked up. They weren't. X would say guns were there to defend us and how could he use them for defense if he had to take the time to go get them and unlock them. Yes, I think they're full of shit.
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Post by coffeecake on Jan 26, 2023 12:42:55 GMT -6
I also just can’t believe there are admin out there that wouldn’t take it seriously when told that a student might have a gun on them. Like…in the world we live in today in America, you just let this slide and not even try to find out what is going on with the kid?! I can’t wrap my head around it.
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