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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:01:28 GMT -6
Just as a reminder, I was asked! In sincerity! Why I didn't schedule an induction at 37 weeks! So that I would have "more time to look good" before the wedding! 😡😡
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:03:02 GMT -6
I always thought it had something to do with Kate being pregnant/giving birth - not in a bad way, in a "hormonal rollercoaster" kind of way. Shit, I cry at random stuff when I get my period. I know Meghan never talked about it, said Kate apologized, and moved on. I really think Meghan wanted to put it behind them. Yes and here is Harry bringing it up. didn’t someone get flowers. I honestly think of it as one of those things women say before they have kids that I would just you wait them on despite hating the just you wait but still it’s not cool
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:03:33 GMT -6
The reprimanding though after is just as cringeworthy though too
ETA: If it was a true reprimand which I can see but also can see not happening
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Post by claudia on Jan 5, 2023 11:05:48 GMT -6
Which 😬😬 Probably true but you don’t say it to a pregnant lady I think that we are dealing with four people who all have immense privilege and entitlement used to getting their way. The levels of privilege and entitlement would vary, but none of them are used to not getting their way. So for that part, you could say they are all to blame. But where Harry and Meghan are blameless and Will and Kate are not is that the Wales used their positions to harm Meghan and in no small part, utilized racism and racist stereotypes to do so. But the actual intrapersonal stuff, I could see (at least initially) being spread equally as far as blame.
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Post by beatch on Jan 5, 2023 11:07:49 GMT -6
Just as a reminder, I was asked! In sincerity! Why I didn't schedule an induction at 37 weeks! So that I would have "more time to look good" before the wedding! The amount of levels of how fucked up this is is almost incomprehensible.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:07:53 GMT -6
Which 😬😬 Probably true but you don’t say it to a pregnant lady I think that we are dealing with four people who all have immense privilege and entitlement used to getting their way. The levels of privilege and entitlement would vary, but none of them are used to not getting their way. So for that part, you could say they are all to blame. But where Harry and Meghan are blameless and Will and Kate are not is that the Wales used their positions to harm Meghan and in no small part, utilized racism and racist stereotypes to do so. But the actual intrapersonal stuff, I could see (at least initially) being spread equally as far as blame. Yes family stuff stays in the family and will and Kate took it outside the family first and lied to boot about most of it
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:09:38 GMT -6
Just as a reminder, I was asked! In sincerity! Why I didn't schedule an induction at 37 weeks! So that I would have "more time to look good" before the wedding! I keep going back to this. My sister was 7 months at mine and she looked great in her dress. I hate the people that said this to you
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Post by claudia on Jan 5, 2023 11:11:09 GMT -6
The reprimanding though after is just as cringeworthy though too ETA: If it was a true reprimand which I can see but also can see not happening Yeah, I can also see Meghan saying it just to sort of smooth things over- like Kate forgot what time it was set for and Meghan said “ah, baby brain the hormones” in passing. But if Kate instead of just saying “hey I didn’t appreciate that” had someone else reprimand Meghan, that just makes it into a bigger deal than it needed to be. But Meghan was also on edge, so it could have been a staffer trying to smooth things over and saying something like “hey, Duchess Catherine really doesn’t like that kind of talk” and in Meghan’s mind, Kate sent someone to reprimand her when really it was just a staffer inserting themselves on their own.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:11:12 GMT -6
The amount of levels of how fucked up this is is almost incomprehensible. Relationships were damaged. Permanently. I looked fucking great though. Me and my 8 day old baby looked fly as hell. They are lucky you even attended
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Post by claudia on Jan 5, 2023 11:13:20 GMT -6
The amount of levels of how fucked up this is is almost incomprehensible. Relationships were damaged. Permanently. I looked fucking great though. Me and my 8 day old baby looked fly as hell. This story makes me mad on your behalf. Like…. What thought process goes through someone’s head for that to be the takeaway of anything?
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:13:40 GMT -6
The reprimanding though after is just as cringeworthy though too ETA: If it was a true reprimand which I can see but also can see not happening Yeah, I can also see Meghan saying it just to sort of smooth things over- like Kate forgot what time it was set for and Meghan said “ah, baby brain the hormones” in passing. But if Kate instead of just saying “hey I didn’t appreciate that” had someone else reprimand Meghan, that just makes it into a bigger deal than it needed to be. But Meghan was also on edge, so it could have been a staffer trying to smooth things over and saying something like “hey, Duchess Catherine really doesn’t like that kind of talk” and in Meghan’s mind, Kate sent someone to reprimand her when really it was just a staffer inserting themselves on their own. Baby and bride brain together is a possible disaster I know how I was at both parts of my life. So I can see crying at home to h about how I have baby brain etc but I could also see myself at those end times of wedding planning where someone forgetting something again could push me to cry Moral of the story I’m on both sides of this argument minus sending someone to yell at someone else
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:17:10 GMT -6
Like I fully remember crying over my sil 2 times during planning my wedding
1. When she made a point to tell me how hurt she was that I didn’t have her in the wedding after a mini vent session where I was venting about my sister (1. We hadn’t talked to her in the 2 years before getting engaged and I only had my sisters and dd)
2. When she said that she had Covid (had just had it the month before) and canceled on my bridal shower and bachelorette party through my H not me. Then told him how rude I was that I didn’t call her that day to check on her.
Neither of those on a normal day would I care anything about them. During wedding planning apparently I was a mess
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:18:08 GMT -6
And yes I’m aware both of those probably make me sound like a baby but I am who I am and have apologized and made amends with her and myself 😂
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:24:50 GMT -6
This story makes me mad on your behalf. Like…. What thought process goes through someone’s head for that to be the takeaway of anything? Honestly? It was a classic case of wanting a special princess day and getting it through whatever means necessary. There was some other shit going on, as is true with every family, but I was supposed to be a prop for their photoshoot and my pregnancy (read: their new nephew!) was inconvenient. I had a tough delivery and was told to remove the compression socks I was wearing for the getting-ready time, too. Even though I bought ones that matched their colors! 🤬🤬
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Post by claudia on Jan 5, 2023 11:27:02 GMT -6
Harry apparently reveals that he and William begged Charles not to marry Camilla.
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Post by Eagles on Jan 5, 2023 11:37:23 GMT -6
What I'm getting from all this is that, at their core, the ruling classes have really poor boundaries. ETA: Like I'm a spiteful bird, but I would literally roll in cut glass before begging my dad not to marry his mistress. Because I'm too proud to beg. Mine married his mistress. I had no say in the matter.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:38:16 GMT -6
What I'm getting from all this is that, at their core, the ruling classes have really poor boundaries. ETA: Like I'm a spiteful bird, but I would literally roll in cut glass before begging my dad not to marry his mistress. Because I'm too proud to beg. Oh I refused to be in my mom’s wedding to my now ex step dad but never said don’t marry him. He will always say how hard I made it for him though
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 11:45:31 GMT -6
What I'm getting from all this is that, at their core, the ruling classes have really poor boundaries. ETA: Like I'm a spiteful bird, but I would literally roll in cut glass before begging my dad not to marry his mistress. Because I'm too proud to beg. Mine married his mistress. I had no say in the matter. To this day both my mom and step dad say they were not together before my dad passed but I don’t believe it. My dad knew there was someone else at the end and she moved on very quickly (not saying there is a timeline on grief and she can’t move on) but yeah.
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Post by sifl on Jan 5, 2023 11:56:14 GMT -6
The reprimanding though after is just as cringeworthy though too ETA: If it was a true reprimand which I can see but also can see not happening Yeah, I can also see Meghan saying it just to sort of smooth things over- like Kate forgot what time it was set for and Meghan said “ah, baby brain the hormones” in passing. But if Kate instead of just saying “hey I didn’t appreciate that” had someone else reprimand Meghan, that just makes it into a bigger deal than it needed to be. But Meghan was also on edge, so it could have been a staffer trying to smooth things over and saying something like “hey, Duchess Catherine really doesn’t like that kind of talk” and in Meghan’s mind, Kate sent someone to reprimand her when really it was just a staffer inserting themselves on their own. I think H probably knows what an official reprimand is though? I feel that’s a very specific word to use.
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Post by sifl on Jan 5, 2023 12:01:13 GMT -6
And yes I’m aware both of those probably make me sound like a baby but I am who I am and have apologized and made amends with her and myself 😂 I cried when my now H ruined my bouquet flowers. I still feel justified.
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Post by Cheshie6 on Jan 5, 2023 12:03:37 GMT -6
Kinda puts Tyler Perry’s words comparing Meghan and Harry’s treatment to domestic violence in a new light. :/ In other semi royal news, I’m watching their other Netflix show right now and I love Meghan’s narration voice. She’s a much better narrator than actress. If that's how he treats his brother, how does he treat his kids? 😟 Do his kids know any better? Charles has a temper, that's be reported. Wills has a temper that has been reported. But there is definitely a different relationship between siblings and parent/children.
Also, how was Wills taught to treat/see his brother? Were they raised as normal siblings? Was there preferential treatment of Wills? I can't imagine being raised in a family where your birth order has significant impact on your place in the family, let alone an institution. After Diana, if all Wills heard from everyone he's surrounded by is that he is the future king, he is better, he is more special, etc. you'll eventually start to believe it. I hope the family structure/dynamic comes out in this book. Charles is 12 years older than Andrew and was probably away at school as Andrew was brought up. Wills is only 2 years older so the dynamic is going to be different.
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Post by STP on Jan 5, 2023 12:11:28 GMT -6
I mean, it's possible Meghan said it in a completely bitchy way and Kate was justified in being hurt.
Doesn't excuse the rest, in any way. I don't think we need to stretch ourselves to absolve how it probably went. Meghan isn't a saint. She was under pressure. We all have moments.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jan 5, 2023 12:15:24 GMT -6
Bro maybe like… some thing’s should stay private…. Prince Harry describes losing his virginity as 'a humiliating episode' In his autobiography, Prince Harry has spoken about how he lost his virginity with an "older lady" who "loved horses very much". He described the moment as "a humiliating episode" and says it took place "in a field". The excerpt read: "I mounted her quickly, after which she spanked my ass and held me back… one of my mistakes was letting it happen in a field, just behind a busy pub. "No doubt someone had seen us." news.sky.com/story/prince-harry-book-live-updates-spanish-version-of-spare-mistakenly-put-on-sale-and-sky-news-has-a-copy-12780329
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jan 5, 2023 12:20:08 GMT -6
He also says he killed 25 people in Afghanistan and he saw a psychic to try to contact his mother and the psychic predictably gave him messages from Diana.
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Post by bazi on Jan 5, 2023 12:23:30 GMT -6
I mean, it's possible Meghan said it in a completely bitchy way and Kate was justified in being hurt. Doesn't excuse the rest, in any way. I don't think we need to stretch ourselves to absolve how it probably went. Meghan isn't a saint. She was under pressure. We all have moments. If I got that comment from my SIL I would verbally eviscerate her myself. I don’t have staff.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Jan 5, 2023 12:32:59 GMT -6
If Meghan made a baby brain or some such comment to Kate, yup, that's not okay, but if Wills reprimanded her because Kate or a staffer went to him, that's also not okay.
Emotions always run high at a wedding so I'm going to go with my same stance as the hug that wasn't - Team Both Women.
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Post by STP on Jan 5, 2023 12:33:05 GMT -6
I mean, it's possible Meghan said it in a completely bitchy way and Kate was justified in being hurt. Doesn't excuse the rest, in any way. I don't think we need to stretch ourselves to absolve how it probably went. Meghan isn't a saint. She was under pressure. We all have moments. If I got that comment from my SIL I would verbally eviscerate her myself. I don’t have staff. Exactly. I love talking about this with all of you, but I don't know why we have to do the upthread thing of imagining some way that M was actually fine, and said it in a breezy way. There's no reason to do that, we can just take the information in front of us and go with that. It doesn't change anything. M has admitted it was a misunderstanding, and sent flowers, so you know. It wasn't her finest moment, and that's ok. I think you can support any of the parties involved as you please without having to imagine them as perfect beings who are never in the wrong. This fallout isn't going to be entirely one side's fault. I PROMISE there are a lot of things to be disappointed about with H/M as well.
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Post by STP on Jan 5, 2023 12:34:40 GMT -6
H is as spoiled and entitled as W.
I keep that very much in my mind when reading this stuff.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 12:34:54 GMT -6
I mean, it's possible Meghan said it in a completely bitchy way and Kate was justified in being hurt. Doesn't excuse the rest, in any way. I don't think we need to stretch ourselves to absolve how it probably went. Meghan isn't a saint. She was under pressure. We all have moments. I think we are all saying that though. At least I for sure am.
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Post by angelashly on Jan 5, 2023 12:37:28 GMT -6
I mean, it's possible Meghan said it in a completely bitchy way and Kate was justified in being hurt. Doesn't excuse the rest, in any way. I don't think we need to stretch ourselves to absolve how it probably went. Meghan isn't a saint. She was under pressure. We all have moments. If I got that comment from my SIL I would verbally eviscerate her myself. I don’t have staff. I think this was my main take away. Meghan clearly knew it wasn’t cool and apologized but having someone other than Kate herself reprimand is a lot
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