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Post by STP on Dec 29, 2022 9:40:47 GMT -6
I always wondered if it was Kate who asked about the skin tone in a totally dumb, white woman idiocy, wide eyed way without any inkling that it would be offensive. To me, that explains H not wanting to ever reveal who it was whereas I think he might of if it were dad/bro.
I don't buy the Camilla wedding stuff. I am sure she made thousands of shitty AF comments bc she's a total bitch. But I don't think she cares enough to have tried to stop it. She seems pretty indifferent to Will and Harry, and it had no baring on her which is all she cares about.
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Post by STP on Dec 29, 2022 9:42:15 GMT -6
I am also really happy for Eugenie that they have moved away. She has to get away from her toxic parents, and this feels like a first step to that. I hope she is seeing what's going on with H and M, and making a better move for her family.
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Post by hawkward on Dec 29, 2022 10:06:51 GMT -6
STP I could see that about K and H not wanting to out her in particular He has a protector complex for the younger women plus it seemed like they used to be really tight.
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Post by angelashly on Dec 29, 2022 10:14:45 GMT -6
I always wondered if it was Kate who asked about the skin tone in a totally dumb, white woman idiocy, wide eyed way without any inkling that it would be offensive. To me, that explains H not wanting to ever reveal who it was whereas I think he might of if it were dad/bro. I don't buy the Camilla wedding stuff. I am sure she made thousands of shitty AF comments bc she's a total bitch. But I don't think she cares enough to have tried to stop it. She seems pretty indifferent to Will and Harry, and it had no baring on her which is all she cares about. Yes! I love that not one person has said Kate where I can see it. It happened to me with dd and it was people who I was surprised by. I believe they all said things but I do believe Harry has a lot of respect for Kate and could see him “protecting” her
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Post by Sweetjane on Dec 29, 2022 10:16:16 GMT -6
I am also really happy for Eugenie that they have moved away. She has to get away from her toxic parents, and this feels like a first step to that. I hope she is seeing what's going on with H and M, and making a better move for her family. In addition to E & H having a tight bond, I like to assume that E and Meg have bonded over their trash dads. They were all spending time together when that all went down too.
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Post by addymac on Dec 29, 2022 10:56:05 GMT -6
I am also really happy for Eugenie that they have moved away. She has to get away from her toxic parents, and this feels like a first step to that. I hope she is seeing what's going on with H and M, and making a better move for her family. Where did they go?
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Post by Sweetjane on Dec 29, 2022 11:00:12 GMT -6
I am also really happy for Eugenie that they have moved away. She has to get away from her toxic parents, and this feels like a first step to that. I hope she is seeing what's going on with H and M, and making a better move for her family. Where did they go? They split their time between UK and Portugal I believe.
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Post by dontstopbelievin on Dec 29, 2022 11:36:34 GMT -6
I noticed in the Netflix series that they said very little about Kate/Camilla, I wondered if it was in an effort to avoid criticism about hypocrisy around women supporting women or something like that. Or if they’re really just background people in all of this.
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Post by Sweetjane on Dec 29, 2022 11:54:32 GMT -6
I noticed in the Netflix series that they said very little about Kate/Camilla, I wondered if it was in an effort to avoid criticism about hypocrisy around women supporting women or something like that. Or if they’re really just background people in all of this. They also barely mentioned Phil. I think they were just keeping it to the main players, C&W. They seemed to be really pulling all the strings, the Queen was mostly just quietly complicit. She's never pointed at either, IIRC.
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Post by angelashly on Dec 29, 2022 14:41:02 GMT -6
I noticed in the Netflix series that they said very little about Kate/Camilla, I wondered if it was in an effort to avoid criticism about hypocrisy around women supporting women or something like that. Or if they’re really just background people in all of this. They also barely mentioned Phil. I think they were just keeping it to the main players, C&W. They seemed to be really pulling all the strings, the Queen was mostly just quietly complicit. She's never pointed at either, IIRC. But I do believe those are the main players in this. I can see Kate being stuffy and like STP said typical white girl asking questions without ill intent. I think she worked hard for her place in the family and didn’t want that rocked. I think the same with Camilla but with more racism attached I think Charles liked Meghan a first. He wouldn’t have walked her down the aisle if he didn’t. But I think he and will didn’t like her messing with the status quo with racism mixed in The queen is the queen. I think Harry looks at his grandmother and grandfather as olds who can’t help it because they know no better and someone else is pulling the strings when it’s bullshit and we all know it
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Post by beesquared on Dec 29, 2022 14:51:52 GMT -6
I absolutely think that Meghan charmed Charles at first. Fundamentally, on a personal level I think he likes her. What he didn’t like was the challenge she brought to the status quo and the way she grabbed the spotlight just by existing. Add Camilla and Will in his ear being a petty and it was the perfect storm when he realized that he couldn’t control Harry anymore. Harry’s love for Meghan made him strong enough to stand up for himself. That’s when Meghan became persona non-grata for Charles.
Plus, there is no one Charles won’t throw under the bus to protect himself. We’ve seen that time and time again.
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Post by angelashly on Dec 29, 2022 14:56:56 GMT -6
I absolutely think that Meghan charmed Charles at first. Fundamentally, on a personal level I think he likes her. What he didn’t like was the challenge she brought to the status quo and the way she grabbed the spotlight just by existing. Add Camilla and Will in his ear being a petty and it was the perfect storm when he realized that he couldn’t control Harry anymore. Harry’s love for Meghan made him strong enough to stand up for himself. That’s when Meghan became persona non-grata for Charles. Plus, there is no one Charles won’t throw under the bus to protect himself. We’ve seen that time and time again. My mom loved my now h until she realized she couldn’t control me anymore because he helped me to realize my voice and some of the toxicity. I believe that is what happened
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Post by angelashly on Dec 29, 2022 14:57:44 GMT -6
*she still “loves” him but not like I wish she did.
She is doing the same thing now with my sister and BIL
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Post by teraiin on Dec 29, 2022 14:59:46 GMT -6
STP I could see that about K and H not wanting to out her in particular He has a protector complex for the younger women plus it seemed like they used to be really tight. I swear I heard or read and interview where he said Kate was the sister he never had or something.
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Post by Eagles on Dec 29, 2022 15:54:50 GMT -6
I am also really happy for Eugenie that they have moved away. She has to get away from her toxic parents, and this feels like a first step to that. I hope she is seeing what's going on with H and M, and making a better move for her family. Where did they go? Portugal.
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Post by Eagles on Dec 29, 2022 15:58:40 GMT -6
Did we discuss here the rumor that when the Rose Hanbury stuff broke, Harry and William got in an argument because Harry wanted him to break it off and respect Kate? I always thought there was some truth in that, because after meeting and marrying Meghan, I feel like Harry would understand more what a marriage and partnership should be.
ETA especially with kids involved
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Post by Eagles on Dec 29, 2022 16:00:12 GMT -6
I absolutely think that Meghan charmed Charles at first. Fundamentally, on a personal level I think he likes her. What he didn’t like was the challenge she brought to the status quo and the way she grabbed the spotlight just by existing. Add Camilla and Will in his ear being a petty and it was the perfect storm when he realized that he couldn’t control Harry anymore. Harry’s love for Meghan made him strong enough to stand up for himself. That’s when Meghan became persona non-grata for Charles. Plus, there is no one Charles won’t throw under the bus to protect himself. We’ve seen that time and time again. Charles doesn't want to be upstaged by anyone.
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Post by angelashly on Dec 29, 2022 16:02:59 GMT -6
Did we discuss here the rumor that when the Rose Hanbury stuff broke, Harry and William got in an argument because Harry wanted him to break it off and respect Kate? I always thought there was some truth in that, because after meeting and marrying Meghan, I feel like Harry would understand more what a marriage and partnership should be. ETA especially with kids involved We discussed it and I believe it. This is when a lot of Meghan stories came out too so…….
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Post by claudia on Dec 29, 2022 16:17:02 GMT -6
Did we discuss here the rumor that when the Rose Hanbury stuff broke, Harry and William got in an argument because Harry wanted him to break it off and respect Kate? I always thought there was some truth in that, because after meeting and marrying Meghan, I feel like Harry would understand more what a marriage and partnership should be. ETA especially with kids involved We discussed it and I believe it. This is when a lot of Meghan stories came out too so……. I remember one story in particular that came from William’s mouthpiece that was basically “the affair isn’t real and the rift in the turnip toff is overstated and Meghan sucks.”
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Post by Cheshie6 on Dec 29, 2022 17:24:25 GMT -6
I absolutely think that Meghan charmed Charles at first. Fundamentally, on a personal level I think he likes her. What he didn’t like was the challenge she brought to the status quo and the way she grabbed the spotlight just by existing. Add Camilla and Will in his ear being a petty and it was the perfect storm when he realized that he couldn’t control Harry anymore. Harry’s love for Meghan made him strong enough to stand up for himself. That’s when Meghan became persona non-grata for Charles. Plus, there is no one Charles won’t throw under the bus to protect himself. We’ve seen that time and time again. Charles doesn't want to be upstaged by anyone. Sadly, he's upstaged all the time. He doesn't get near as many front page reports as Will and Kate. He was even farther down the line when Harry and Meghan were there as well. Once Will and Kate officially announced their engagement, there was nothing Charles could do. Every thing on this side of the pond was positive or negative about them (work shy, she's stealing him away, he prefers his in-laws, how sweet is Will getting her avocados, etc.) but only about them. I honestly don't remember Charles. I feel like he put his head down, and let Will and Kate take the media attention for a while, while he used his sway to increase positive pieces about Camilla.
I agree with a previous poster that comms teams were just trying to see who can get "above the fold," or front page news. I believe it's Wills and his comms team who weren't used to having to play second fiddle. I would have probably welcomed the break but if their lives and livelihood depend on them being mentioned by the media frequently, I can see them seeing this as problematic, rather than "phew, let's let them have the limelight for a minute and we can chill out!" They lost so many opportunities.
Also, from the documentary, I'm surprised to find out how "handled" they are. The fact that the monarch should have power and it almost sounded like she didn't any just boggles my mind. How can she say she has nothing planned that week, to "they tell me, I am booked this week!?!" I know we've talked about it before. But yikes to not being like, "nope, I told Harry he could meet with me this week. Let's solidify a day." That in and of itself is disturbing to me and really makes me wonder who is in charge!!
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Post by beesquared on Dec 30, 2022 10:28:31 GMT -6
The trailer for the Andrew musical parody
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Post by sifl on Dec 30, 2022 12:36:46 GMT -6
Omg 😂
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Post by jorkzy on Dec 30, 2022 15:33:38 GMT -6
“All singing, all dancing, no sweating” 🤣🤣
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Post by angelashly on Dec 30, 2022 17:44:48 GMT -6
“All singing, all dancing, no sweating” 🤣🤣 Yes the no sweating part got me
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Post by beatch on Dec 30, 2022 20:01:02 GMT -6
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Post by sifl on Dec 30, 2022 23:21:01 GMT -6
Those tassels are HUGE. Did he pull down a curtain in the palace?
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Post by angelashly on Dec 31, 2022 6:45:18 GMT -6
Interesting
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Post by Sweetjane on Dec 31, 2022 7:45:30 GMT -6
....but not surprising. He also thanks W&K and mentions them by name. He's such a POS.
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Post by beepers on Dec 31, 2022 8:15:50 GMT -6
I assume W petitioned for Jason at least in part to give a symbolic middle finger to H+M. W said “oh you wanna paint me as the bad guy? Watch this”. I fully believe he’s petty and vindictive.
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Post by claudia on Dec 31, 2022 8:18:00 GMT -6
Yet Harry and Meghan get blamed for not wanting to reconcile.
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