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Post by normadix on Nov 9, 2022 18:06:22 GMT -6
I have very very different feelings regarding Cole than most here. I’ll just leave it at that though. Say them! I don’t feel how others felt about what Zay did at the alter. None of us know him or know what really went on, we’re all speculating.
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Post by normadix on Nov 9, 2022 18:08:18 GMT -6
I'm trying to remember now but didn't Brennon also express his not so positive feelings about Cole as well? But then it was also weird how all of the guys were being weird about Cole getting a girls phone number. I agree! It was weird. Like if he didn’t do it, and no girls were around why not say it OR if it did happen then why not say it. Apart from maybe Barista I don’t think they care too much for Cole and would happily throw him under the bus. SK seems to be pretty removed from the drama too though.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Nov 9, 2022 18:21:40 GMT -6
The reunion was harsh for Cole. But I believe he did everything they said.
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Post by downwarddog on Nov 9, 2022 18:31:12 GMT -6
Zan getting torn a new one on IG.
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Post by abbandkaa on Nov 9, 2022 19:56:16 GMT -6
normadix - Barista 🤣🤣🤣 I almost type that when writing his name, too.
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Post by bubblehape on Nov 9, 2022 20:08:41 GMT -6
I'd have loved for the guys to tell all about Cole so we could maybe get the full story. I can see the girls being against him based on how Zay talked about him to them. I'd be against him too if my friend said he was controlling their eating. I'm #teamcole on the cuties situation, it really seemed innocent and that she was insecure and heard it the wrong way. It was not at all cool of him to ask if she was bipolar, flirt with Colleen, make the immature rating comments, etc, but I don't 100% buy that everything Zay said was how things were either, I don't like either of them.
I'm almost scared for Colleen based on her face and body language. Matt gives off allllll the red flags.
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Post by fb on Nov 9, 2022 20:24:54 GMT -6
Yeah the whole season Zay seemed waaaaay too insecure while Cole was wayyyyy too confident. Not a good match.
But the cuties story did not play out the way Z made it seem. It really seemed like Cole was saying we are about to have a huge dinner safe your appetite.
She seemed to want to take what he said to a certain degree it didn’t need to go to, while he joked about everything (plus she was pretty snippy to him, so it may have been a defense mechanism on his part). Just really not a good match.
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Post by normadix on Nov 9, 2022 20:41:18 GMT -6
normadix - Barista 🤣🤣🤣 I almost type that when writing his name, too. Haha they keep calling him that on TikTok and I loved it so I’m carrying it over to here
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Post by normadix on Nov 9, 2022 20:45:35 GMT -6
I also decided I’ve totally come around on Raven. I really didn’t care for her in the beginning, but she’s grown on me. And she seemed so genuinely happy at the reunion. In the beginning I thought she was just in it for the recognition and to get her name out there, she acted so distant and not interested in SK at first. I think she’s probably just a private person.
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Post by armpants on Nov 9, 2022 21:09:50 GMT -6
You both are saying exactly why I’m not a fan. I think those things should have, and needed, to be said to him. I don’t think Cole is a bad person at the end of the day, but I do think he is emotionally v v immature and needs to grow up. I just don’t think she should have said those things to him when and where she did. I agree with the words, not with the delivery of that makes sense. It felt really hurtful to do something like that so publicly. That said, I don’t disagree with her wanting her words on camera, but not in front of people. I still am catching up, but I feel like what she said at the alter would have been better said in the reunion or something. He needed to hear it, but that wasn't the best venue.
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Post by armpants on Nov 9, 2022 21:19:22 GMT -6
I'm team Cole creeps me out. I definely don't take everything Zay said at face value, but I already get the feeling he's someone who pays to the camera and I'd be willing to bet there were more cutting comments off camera. But I readout don't know how those two even matched in the pods, they really seemed like such opposite personalities to me.
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Post by armpants on Nov 9, 2022 21:20:45 GMT -6
I'm glad Raven and SK are dating, that's really the best case with his schooling. I understand Raven not wanting to make such a huge move immediately. This is really best case scenario.
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Post by kellykapow on Nov 9, 2022 21:22:02 GMT -6
I'm glad Raven and SK are dating, that's really the best case with his schooling. I understand Raven not wanting to make such a huge move immediately. This is really best case scenario. I agree. I'm happy they're together.
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Post by budders on Nov 9, 2022 21:48:34 GMT -6
I'm in the middle with both Cole and Zanab. I honestly think they're both telling their own truths based on their personalities and therefore perceptions of their interactions with each other. Cole is super immature and Zanab is very insecure and those two perspectives just do not align.
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Post by jubilantsquirrel on Nov 9, 2022 22:20:05 GMT -6
I don’t think I can really explain my thoughts on Cole properly. I will say I think he’s getting a pass because he’s a good looking guy who cried on TV. Idk, it just doesn’t sit right with me.
Zay is far from perfect, so I’m not saying she’s is 100% in the right here at all. Her insecurities are glaringly obvious to anyone isn’t Cole, apparently. Idk if that’s just his immaturity showing or what. I don’t think it’s on Cole to fix her insecurities at all. Zay needs to do some hard work and learn to love herself before she enters into another relationship. And like others have said, I’m not mad at the words she said to Cole at the alter, but that wasn’t the place to say them.
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Post by jubilantsquirrel on Nov 9, 2022 22:21:19 GMT -6
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Post by normadix on Nov 9, 2022 23:22:45 GMT -6
I don’t think I can really explain my thoughts on Cole properly. I will say I think he’s getting a pass because he’s a good looking guy who cried on TV. Idk, it just doesn’t sit right with me. Zay is far from perfect, so I’m not saying she’s is 100% in the right here at all. Her insecurities are glaringly obvious to anyone isn’t Cole, apparently. Idk if that’s just his immaturity showing or what. I don’t think it’s on Cole to fix her insecurities at all. Zay needs to do some hard work and learn to love herself before she enters into another relationship. And like others have said, I’m not mad at the words she said to Cole at the alter, but that wasn’t the place to say them. I can see what you’re saying and I think for some people that might be true - giving Cole a pass bc he is good looking, goofy, etc… I know for me, he didn’t get any passes. I could not stand him in the pods or on that vacation immediately after they all got engaged. It wasn’t until maybe the last episode or two before the wedding that I warmed up to him…a little. I don’t particularly like him, but I don’t think he is awful either. He also seemed genuinely upset at the wedding and reunion and took her words to heart. But again, I’m only speaking for me.
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Post by jenna on Nov 9, 2022 23:46:19 GMT -6
I don’t think I can really explain my thoughts on Cole properly. I will say I think he’s getting a pass because he’s a good looking guy who cried on TV. Idk, it just doesn’t sit right with me. Zay is far from perfect, so I’m not saying she’s is 100% in the right here at all. Her insecurities are glaringly obvious to anyone isn’t Cole, apparently. Idk if that’s just his immaturity showing or what. I don’t think it’s on Cole to fix her insecurities at all. Zay needs to do some hard work and learn to love herself before she enters into another relationship. And like others have said, I’m not mad at the words she said to Cole at the alter, but that wasn’t the place to say them. I’m with you. I don’t think he’s a good guy, I’ve seen through him the whole season but he gets a lot of benefit of the doubt being a good looking “funny” white guy I think. I don’t mean people here specifically I haven’t even been posting but in general. I felt like I was watching a different show reading through this thread some episodes but maybe I’m just a man hater 😂
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Post by jenna on Nov 9, 2022 23:52:10 GMT -6
I was hoping for Colleen that they weren’t going to get married. Ugh he’s such a walking red flag but she seems desperate to please him and be married, a bad combo. Her vows when she called him a Colleen in guy form 😆 eesh
Bartise is a doofus to the core
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Post by jaidit on Nov 10, 2022 3:55:02 GMT -6
I full stop do not want my partner judging what or when choose to eat. So yeah, I think it was wrong of Cole to question how much fruit Zana chooses to eat and when.
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Post by downwarddog on Nov 10, 2022 8:00:47 GMT -6
Sorry, I had some time to marinate on it all and am not done discussing lol My sister hasn't caught up yet so I need you guys.
There were glimpses of several of them throughout that irked me. Zan repeatedly telling Cole that she looks so different without makeup, asking him to rate her. And Cole just having too low of an EQ to pick up what she needed to hear from him. The flirting with Colleen in the pool was not cool on any scale, and clearly his frat boy humor and lifestyle didn't fly with her. With different people, they may have both come off completely differently.
Bartise is just an ass. I 100% believe that he had a new girl lined up days after. That said, Nancy made it clear that they were completely done, so technically it's none of their business, like he said. But still. Ick. I think Bartise should have gotten more of the heat that went to Cole at the reunion.
I don't think Brennon will ever have another opinion of his own again, and he's just fine with that. I hope SK and Raven stay together, they seem happy.
I also wondered if Colleen was fearful. I wonder if she was scared of something being said or shown that would set off Matt's temper. I thought it was interesting that they don't live together; the weddings were June of 2021. I don't think either of them wanted to be there. We didn't see any of her bubbly personality coming through at all.
And I'm amused that they invited Andrew to come but he declined. I read that he was upset that they aired the eye drops footage, so I guess he's trying to distance himself from the whole thing. They all seemed to universally dislike him.
Sorry, I know I've already commented on all of this a bunch, just reading what you guys are saying and the random internet shit about it lol
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Post by kellykapow on Nov 10, 2022 8:04:37 GMT -6
I don't think Cole's great. He's immature and has a lot to learn. I think it's possible he learned from this experience and maybe will become a better person.
In my opinion Bartise was worse and didn't learn a damn thing. I think he should have been dragged more.
It also bothers me that the show didn't address any of Matt's temper issues really. I guess because they got married, so they didn't want to bring up the drama as much for them. He was the worst for me. The biggest red flags hiding behind the nice guy who has been hurt exterior.
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Post by kellykapow on Nov 10, 2022 8:12:42 GMT -6
The only couple I came out really liking is Raven and SK.
Alexa and Brennon are fine. I enjoy Alexa, but something about B annoyed me on the reunion. I'll have to rewatch when I'm less distracted to put my finger on it.
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Post by frlcb on Nov 10, 2022 8:35:43 GMT -6
I full stop do not want my partner judging what or when choose to eat. So yeah, I think it was wrong of Cole to question how much fruit Zana chooses to eat and when. Agreed. And let's be honest, do two cuties fill up anyone? Doubtful.
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Post by abbandkaa on Nov 10, 2022 8:59:26 GMT -6
Brennon reminds me of a guy I went to school with from grade 7 on through HS graduation; I have a soft spot for him just from that, admittedly, I think he's a genuinely caring person who really will love and cherish Alexa, he's so enamored of her, clearly. What sealed the deal for me as a fan of him though was him speaking up at the reunion shutting down Cole's use of "crazy" and "insane" as descriptors, plus he says bugaboo and that reminds of me Good Will Hunting (heart heart heart) kellykapow , I'm curious about what he did to bug ya.
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Post by normadix on Nov 10, 2022 9:10:06 GMT -6
I also agree that Barista is the worst of them all and learned nothing from the experience. I think he should have gotten more heat at the reunion.
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Post by mothafuckinteatime on Nov 10, 2022 9:35:22 GMT -6
Knowing what we know about reality television, I would be shocked if they had a wealth of footage of Cole being as awful as Zanab says and didn’t use it. LiB producers are pumping the dramaaa, they aren’t his friend.
Cole isn’t great, and needs to grow up wildly, but I don’t agree he’s getting a pass because he’s cute. I started out thinking he was a huge douche but rewatching it really does seem like he took it seriously (he was always pushing to talk feelings with the guys) and he was really heartbroken at the end. I think he really loved her but is dumb and childish and doesn’t think about how he says things and combined with her self esteem issues was just a dumpster fire. Watching the cuties scene was not at all what Z made it sound like.
I get very manipulative victimhood vibes from Zanab though. She’s not just got self esteem issues at play.
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Post by downwarddog on Nov 10, 2022 9:36:32 GMT -6
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Post by mothafuckinteatime on Nov 10, 2022 9:36:33 GMT -6
Barista is a trash bag of a human. Fuck that guy for real. He got off so easy in the reunion.
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Post by jenna on Nov 10, 2022 10:11:41 GMT -6
I think the editors including that cuties scene at the very end was weird too but I can’t articulate
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