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Post by unicornofthesea on Aug 20, 2017 20:11:35 GMT -6
The way he violently killed Stephany I highly highly doubt Natalee died on accident.
I can't imagine how her poor dad felt hearing those details.. especially her legs being stomped and the cremation. How terrible.
They say the human "remains" are currently being tested, but since she was supposedly removed and cremated there's no body... so the remains are just left over decomp in the dirt/sand I assume?
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Post by ellewoods on Aug 20, 2017 20:12:16 GMT -6
An informant said that vandersloot rufied natalees drink and tried to kiss her but natalee started foaming at the mouth and chocked on her vomit and died. So Jordan disposed of her body.
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Post by Jesslfar on Aug 20, 2017 20:12:21 GMT -6
I have not followed the story enough, does John end up serving time or have a diagnosed mental health condition? I've never even heard of him before watching just now....holy shit the things he said while watching his interview on Nancy Grace. Me either and I would have remembered if I had seen that episode of Nancy Grace. Don't you hate it when your friends murder and dispose of bodies, extort money from the deceased' s family, use the money to find another vacation so they can drug and rape more girls and the fun gets ruined by a second girl making my friend kill her? It's like a rich White guys can't have fun without consequences anymore. It's like and John can't have fun anymore.
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Post by unicornofthesea on Aug 20, 2017 20:12:37 GMT -6
And I always laughed at NG pronouncing his name as Urine.
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Post by unicornofthesea on Aug 20, 2017 20:16:12 GMT -6
An informant said that vandersloot rufied natalees drink and tried to kiss her but natalee started foaming at the mouth and chocked on her vomit and died. So Jordan disposed of her body. I'll never give him enough credit to believe this story. She probably rejected him and he bludgeoned her just like Stephany.
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Post by buttmonkey on Aug 21, 2017 9:49:15 GMT -6
That John guy was....somethin. I had never heard of him either. If the remains that were found recently turn out to be Natalee, then John's entire story has to be bogus. Just like her father said, I'm part how can he make that all up, but I'm also part that guy is a total sociopath and could possibly just be inserting himself into the murder drama for funsies. I just hope this family finds closure soon.
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Post by Jesslfar on Aug 21, 2017 13:29:39 GMT -6
An informant said that vandersloot rufied natalees drink and tried to kiss her but natalee started foaming at the mouth and chocked on her vomit and died. So Jordan disposed of her body. I'll never give him enough credit to believe this story. She probably rejected him and he bludgeoned her just like Stephany. This is what I think as well. If he had never violently killed another woman I might think it was an accident, like whoopsie when I went to drug and rape a girl I just accidentally killed her. Now that he has two murders under his belt I think it was a violent and intentional death with Natalee and she also did something to provoke his rage like turn him down or laugh at him.
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Post by nymama917 on Aug 23, 2017 14:17:59 GMT -6
I need to watch this because I was actually in Aruba when she was there (obviously not with her). We left on Saturday (I think) and it happened late that night. It's so eerie to me that I was there so I kept listening to this story. I hope her family gets some closure. Such a sad sad thing.
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Post by twoblackcats on Oct 2, 2017 23:09:55 GMT -6
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Post by unicornofthesea on Oct 3, 2017 3:32:15 GMT -6
How disappointing...I can only imagine her family wants closure at this point. I didn't know he once said he sold her into sex slavery. I can't imagine having that thought in the back of my mind as a parent. The fact that someone's bones were actually discovered is eerie. That's not a coincidence.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 3, 2017 7:30:35 GMT -6
An informant said that vandersloot rufied natalees drink and tried to kiss her but natalee started foaming at the mouth and chocked on her vomit and died. So Jordan disposed of her body. I'll never give him enough credit to believe this story. She probably rejected him and he bludgeoned her just like Stephany. I think she was drugged. He was doing that to a lot of girls. The bartenders are often in on it. They ask them for a special drink and the drug is in the drink already. She left with him willingly. The John guy said some girls would just act buzzed and others would pass out. The man specifically asked him how could you have sex with someone who was just lying there and he said not all of them do that. Sick fuck.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 3, 2017 7:32:15 GMT -6
That John guy was....somethin. I had never heard of him either. If the remains that were found recently turn out to be Natalee, then John's entire story has to be bogus. Just like her father said, I'm part how can he make that all up, but I'm also part that guy is a total sociopath and could possibly just be inserting himself into the murder drama for funsies. I just hope this family finds closure soon. He was there at the time. He was friends with Joran. They already checked all this out before proceeding further. Also there were things he said that were not released etc.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 3, 2017 7:33:45 GMT -6
I'm not really up to date on the case, but I thought that it was pretty accepted what's his face killed her either on accident or on purpose and dumped her body in the ocean? Although it is totally irrational, I will never go to Aruba. I will not and I wish other people would stop.
Dave said he heard it was said by officials that they cannot afford to find a body there so I totally believe they won't let him find a body if they can stop it.
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Post by buttmonkey on Oct 3, 2017 7:53:54 GMT -6
That John guy was....somethin. I had never heard of him either. If the remains that were found recently turn out to be Natalee, then John's entire story has to be bogus. Just like her father said, I'm part how can he make that all up, but I'm also part that guy is a total sociopath and could possibly just be inserting himself into the murder drama for funsies. I just hope this family finds closure soon. He was there at the time. He was friends with Joran. They already checked all this out before proceeding further. Also there were things he said that were not released etc. Oh I know now! I've seen more episodes.
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Post by buttmonkey on Oct 3, 2017 8:02:53 GMT -6
Re: Going to Aruba - FWIW, MH and I went last year. I felt safe everywhere we went, and we stayed in downtown Oranjestad. But hearing how the cops have treated this is very unsettling. I do appreciate the new chief of police though, he seems very dedicated to help close the case. Other dude was corrupt AF.
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Post by auburn on Oct 3, 2017 9:20:03 GMT -6
I was just coming here to post this. How terrible for her parents. How terrible of that person to mislead her family and give them false hope once again. Unfortunately, I don't think they will ever find her. How heartbreaking. I do believe the account he gave the undercover investigator when he was high. He drugged her and was having sex with her, while she was unconscious, and she stopped breathing, so he dumped her body.
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Post by McBenny on Oct 3, 2017 9:55:30 GMT -6
Re: Going to Aruba - FWIW, MH and I went last year. I felt safe everywhere we went, and we stayed in downtown Oranjestad. But hearing how the cops have treated this is very unsettling. I do appreciate the new chief of police though, he seems very dedicated to help close the case. Other dude was corrupt AF. The new chief is right along with it. He will help them as long as that does not entail finding a body on the island. He is the one that told someone, "we cannot afford to find a body on this island."
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Post by McBenny on Oct 3, 2017 9:56:19 GMT -6
I was just coming here to post this. How terrible for her parents. How terrible of that person to mislead her family and give them false hope once again. Unfortunately, I don't think they will ever find her. How heartbreaking. I do believe the account he gave the undercover investigator when he was high. He drugged her and was having sex with her, while she was unconscious, and she stopped breathing, so he dumped her body. I believe he called his dad to help him and all that.
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Post by auburn on Oct 3, 2017 9:59:15 GMT -6
I was just coming here to post this. How terrible for her parents. How terrible of that person to mislead her family and give them false hope once again. Unfortunately, I don't think they will ever find her. How heartbreaking. I do believe the account he gave the undercover investigator when he was high. He drugged her and was having sex with her, while she was unconscious, and she stopped breathing, so he dumped her body. I believe he called his dad to help him and all that. Absolutely. His dad definitely helped him get rid of her body. It must be so frustrating and my heart hurts for her parents and loved ones.
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Post by pepper on Oct 3, 2017 13:52:16 GMT -6
Re: Going to Aruba - FWIW, MH and I went last year. I felt safe everywhere we went, and we stayed in downtown Oranjestad. But hearing how the cops have treated this is very unsettling. I do appreciate the new chief of police though, he seems very dedicated to help close the case. Other dude was corrupt AF.
For me, it's not about whether I feel safe. I will never go because I think they are complicit in helping keep these secrets for the sake of tourism and I won't support that. There are plenty of options that are largely the same vacation, so if I find myself in a position to book one, Aruba will never make the list for me.
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Post by buttmonkey on Oct 3, 2017 14:21:25 GMT -6
Re: Going to Aruba - FWIW, MH and I went last year. I felt safe everywhere we went, and we stayed in downtown Oranjestad. But hearing how the cops have treated this is very unsettling. I do appreciate the new chief of police though, he seems very dedicated to help close the case. Other dude was corrupt AF.
For me, it's not about whether I feel safe. I will never go because I think they are complicit in helping keep these secrets for the sake of tourism and I won't support that. There are plenty of options that are largely the same vacation, so if I find myself in a position to book one, Aruba will never make the list for me.
Oh 100%. Had I known more about the police actions at the time I went (I really didn't know much about their shady actions until I watched this series), not sure I would've spent my monies there either. It's not a place I'd care to go back to anyway, regardless of this case. It was just ok for me and other islands are superior.
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Post by buttmonkey on Mar 15, 2018 8:26:54 GMT -6
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Post by unicornofthesea on Mar 15, 2018 13:59:13 GMT -6
Wow.... that guy was really unhinged.... I'm glad the girl was able to save herself and get away.
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Post by auburn on Mar 21, 2018 13:20:45 GMT -6
That's such a scary story. I am so relieved to hear that she got away.
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