somesay
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Post by somesay on Jul 17, 2017 14:13:16 GMT -6
He's gross. I read the article earlier today. It sounds to me like a dom/sub situation, although that is not something I know much about. I don't really know the rules, but in a dom/sub relationship, the sub actually has more control over the situation. These girls have none. I learned that when I read Fifty Shades.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 17, 2017 14:16:07 GMT -6
I am not sure about this. I need more information. I am sure the police can get the security footage if need be. If they thought someone was being held against their will. Also I am not quite sure how you are being held against your will and all of that but you enroll for college and go live in the dorm. Why would he "allow" you to go? She enrolled in college beforehand. She skipped finals and went to live with him shortly after. Or that's how I read it. Police have gone on "wellbeing" checks, but found nothing amiss. She was already talking to him before she went though.
Anyway, I am sure the police and FBI will look into everything thoroughly but I find the article to be very full of holes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 15:38:34 GMT -6
Nothing to add, but I read this article earlier today and I'm just horrified. He is such a creep.
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Post by helloerrbody on Jul 17, 2017 15:55:39 GMT -6
I cannot believe that 16 is the age of consent in Georgia.
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Risscaboobs
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Post by Risscaboobs on Jul 17, 2017 16:14:38 GMT -6
This is very disturbing.
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Yogurt
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Post by Yogurt on Jul 17, 2017 19:38:32 GMT -6
I cannot believe that 16 is the age of consent in Georgia. Pennsylvania too. When I left my first husband he dated a 16 year old after me. We were 27.
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Post by Madymoiselle on Jul 18, 2017 1:07:59 GMT -6
This article just came out, he is a sick bastard. R. Kelly 'hostage' says she is NOT being held against her will dailym.ai/2uubALf
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NamasteBirches
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Post by NamasteBirches on Jul 18, 2017 5:26:33 GMT -6
I cannot believe that 16 is the age of consent in Georgia. Pennsylvania too. When I left my first husband he dated a 16 year old after me. We were 27. oh my.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Jul 18, 2017 6:24:45 GMT -6
I still don't even know what to say about this.
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klong11
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Post by klong11 on Jul 18, 2017 8:48:59 GMT -6
The video response of the girl in question makes me believe the story even more, which is the opposite of what they were trying to do with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 9:28:59 GMT -6
The video response of the girl in question makes me believe the story even more, which is the opposite of what they were trying to do with it. Agreed. At first I just read the comments about it and people were being tinhatty and saying she looked like she had been told what to say, etc., but after I watched it, I reached the same conclusion. And I was trying to watch objectively, but she got really weird and dodgy about those questions like she had no clue what to say to change the subject. I can understand nerves to an extent, knowing people will hyper focus on the video, but nerves can't explain all of it. I don't think she is being held against her will. I do think she has been brainwashed into thinking this is something she wants. Look at fucking Charles Manson (note: I do not think R.Kelly is as bad as CM); those girls all thought he was the best they were ever going to get and they shared him and did whatever he said because they thought he loved them and they were special. Most were not held against their will and continued to be by his side for YEARS after he was convicted, after he tried to get them to take the fall for him, after he publicly said they were nothing to him.
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Jesslfar
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Post by Jesslfar on Jul 18, 2017 9:53:17 GMT -6
I don't think he is holding them against their will. For sure he is grooming them and controlling them, but it does not sound like they are hostages.
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Post by shitsngiggles on Jul 18, 2017 10:00:11 GMT -6
I reallyfeel badly for that girl. I was skeptical and will be honest, I thought her family was just mad that they weren't getting paid by trying to turn their daughter into a star. After watching that video, I believe her parents have cause for concern. Her not answering those last 2 questions at all make it seem like she was scared and had been coached.
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Post by 4PrivetDrive on Jul 18, 2017 11:09:18 GMT -6
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Post by misskilljoy on Jul 18, 2017 12:00:34 GMT -6
I don't think he is holding them against their will. For sure he is grooming them and controlling them, but it does not sound like they are hostages. Being groomed in this manner + heavily controlled IS being held hostage. You lose free will. It's how long-term abductees are able to be held without any kind of physical lock keeping them in check - they're effectively brainwashed and aren't going to try to escape. And it absolutely makes the public start to doubt that they are really being held captive (see: doubt about Elizabeth Smart). The police can't really do anything because the law doesn't see this as being the same as kidnapping or confinement. If these women are saying they want to be there, the cops can't do much without more info than "they don't talk to us any more" from the parents.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 18, 2017 14:04:57 GMT -6
I don't think he is holding them against their will. For sure he is grooming them and controlling them, but it does not sound like they are hostages. This is where I am.
I mean he tours a lot. Like he is on the road a lot. He is on tour now. That's all I am saying.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 18, 2017 14:07:55 GMT -6
I am still needing more info place. I mean the "former" people are speaking out now why?
How did they get "away" from him? Did they explain this?
Anyway, I am not saying he is a saint or an innocent.
I just didn't find the article to be anything other than someone talking and no corroboration. All the other media outlets just picked up the same article and like reshared it. Again, nothing corroborating the allegations.
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NamasteBirches
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Post by NamasteBirches on Jul 18, 2017 14:37:35 GMT -6
can someone link me to this video? too lazy to google
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Jesslfar
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Post by Jesslfar on Jul 18, 2017 15:17:47 GMT -6
I don't think he is holding them against their will. For sure he is grooming them and controlling them, but it does not sound like they are hostages. Being groomed in this manner + heavily controlled IS being held hostage. You lose free will. It's how long-term abductees are able to be held without any kind of physical lock keeping them in check - they're effectively brainwashed and aren't going to try to escape. And it absolutely makes the public start to doubt that they are really being held captive (see: doubt about Elizabeth Smart). The police can't really do anything because the law doesn't see this as being the same as kidnapping or confinement. If these women are saying they want to be there, the cops can't do much without more info than "they don't talk to us any more" from the parents. I agree he is grooming them and controlling them. I think he learned from his past charges what is legal and is riding the finest line of what he can get away with. Legally they are not hostages and they all went willingly and stay of their own free will. I 100% believe he is a pedophile who is guilty of at least half of the charges he has been accused of, and I think this is horrible and abusive, but he did not kidnap these women so I doubt there will ever be charges for these women.
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klong11
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Post by klong11 on Jul 19, 2017 15:18:10 GMT -6
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2017 16:32:41 GMT -6
OK this new woman offered travel itineraries, hotel receipts, and a pic of him asleep on a hotel couch.
This proves she knew him. Ok?
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Bluebird
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Post by Bluebird on Jul 19, 2017 20:25:39 GMT -6
OK this new woman offered travel itineraries, hotel receipts, and a pic of him asleep on a hotel couch. This proves she knew him. Ok? I am not impressed with her receipts. Nothing in the article would surprise me though.
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McBenny
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Post by McBenny on Jul 19, 2017 21:47:55 GMT -6
OK this new woman offered travel itineraries, hotel receipts, and a pic of him asleep on a hotel couch. This proves she knew him. Ok? I am not impressed with her receipts. Nothing in the article would surprise me though. Yes, I'm not saying he's not a creep but none of these stories have anything other than what someone says. He's also been touring like two years non stop cause of Irs issue so I don't know.
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bbgirl
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Post by bbgirl on Jul 20, 2017 0:49:14 GMT -6
This does not sound like what a dom/sub relationship is SUPPOSED to be. That said, there are plenty of asshole pervs out there that *claim* to be doms that prey on young, inexperienced 'subs' that groom them into the lifestyle and end up abusing them. It sucks, but it happens. When I was in college, I was part of an internet-based group that went on chat rooms and looked for men targeting young, underage girls. The stories always ended up the same - they'd ask the girls if they wanted to be dominated, if they would be the 'baby' to their 'daddy'. Things would always escalate and the grooming would be intense sometimes, occasionally over weeks and months, trying to get the girls ready to 'willingly' (or what they thought they were supposed to do willingly) submit. If meetups were arranged, cops would be brought in, since the targets were always underage. This whole thing kind of reminds me of Story of O ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_O).
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