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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 12, 2021 11:33:56 GMT -6
Shooting into the car at a person who may be trying to flee a traffic stop for EXPIRED TAGS is absolutely insane. As is arresting someone for expired tags. A white person is never arrested for expired tags. They were arresting him for outstanding warrants. Which they only discovered after pulling him over for expired tags, which means they had all his fucking information and therefore didn't have to shoot him they could have just gone to his motherfucking house and arrest him.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:34:37 GMT -6
Also why the fuck were there 3 officers for an expired registration stop? Cop #2 was on the passenger side. The outstanding warrant was for a misdemeanor so its not like this was some violent criminal Not that that matters!! But still.
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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 12, 2021 11:34:39 GMT -6
Thanks sheilathetank I haven't watched and won't. I know I should, but can't. I get it. I can't hear any of the questions people are askiing so I'm thankful for those who are repeating the questions in this thread. I can only hear the answers.
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Post by richard on Apr 12, 2021 11:36:14 GMT -6
I don't know what to say. There was nothing accidental about the reasons that put him in that traffic stop so it doesn't matter to me whether it was an accident or not.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:36:17 GMT -6
I don't know who this woman is in the room really pressing the officials but she's awesome I think it may be Nekima Levy Armstrong but I can't tell for sure. I think you're right, I pulled up a YT of a speech she gave and the voice sounds right. She's awesome..
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:37:22 GMT -6
Thanks sheilathetank I haven't watched and won't. I know I should, but can't. I get it. I can't hear any of the questions people are askiing so I'm thankful for those who are repeating the questions in this thread. I can only hear the answers. It would be really great if they would mic questioners like the WH does
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Post by willow on Apr 12, 2021 11:37:51 GMT -6
Shooting into the car at a person who may be trying to flee a traffic stop for EXPIRED TAGS is absolutely insane. As is arresting someone for expired tags. A white person is never arrested for expired tags. They were arresting him for outstanding warrants. Which they only discovered after pulling him over for expired tags, which means they had all his fucking information and therefore didn't have to shoot him they could have just gone to his motherfucking house and arrest him. Yeah that is ridiculous. Not to mention in many counties right now they are trying to avoid arrest and detention for misdemeanors because of COVID. I deal with warrants in my job and we have had a handful that were quashed upon arrest and the person didn't get jailed because our warrants are misdemeanors and they are trying to keep people out of jail right now. This was all so ridiculously preventable.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 12, 2021 11:38:33 GMT -6
....were ALLOWED to leave?
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:39:31 GMT -6
The Chief of Police is taking a number of questions about decision making during protests last night. It sounds like it was a real mess. Ms Levy Armstrong is following up on reporters' questions pointing out why the police behavior was messed up.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 12, 2021 11:39:57 GMT -6
he's falling back on the if you'd only just behaved yourself we wouldn't have to kill you
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Post by willow on Apr 12, 2021 11:41:41 GMT -6
I think it may be Nekima Levy Armstrong but I can't tell for sure. I think you're right, I pulled up a YT of a speech she gave and the voice sounds right. She's awesome.. She is a civil rights lawyer here in the cities. She used to be the NAACP president here and then ran for mayor in 2018 but lost to Frey (and others). She's pretty involved in the activism scene now and always has been. I know that there are a lot of cops that REALLY don't like her. Oops sorry maybe be less racist?
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:42:26 GMT -6
"do you understand how dehumanizing that was to have a man's body lying in the street for hours?"
Chief: well we didn't want to be accused of tampering with the evidence
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:42:45 GMT -6
"I'm commited to protecting peaceful protesters" ummmmm fuck that
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Post by athn64 on Apr 12, 2021 11:42:58 GMT -6
Shooting into the car at a person who may be trying to flee a traffic stop for EXPIRED TAGS is absolutely insane. As is arresting someone for expired tags. A white person is never arrested for expired tags. It's a small fine, at worst. Like WTF?
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Post by carmensandiego on Apr 12, 2021 11:43:22 GMT -6
It's best practice to do so. This has been a topic of discussion for at least 15 years. But if the agency doesn't require it, or is lax about its enforcement, ugh. The largest settlement I'm aware of is 2.8M out of California about 10 years ago. I maybe misunderstanding you, but are you saying it's best practice for the taser to be on the dominant side? Because that goes exactly against what the police chief says they have their officers do. Which holy shit. No, sorry. I was responding (poorly) to your question about separating the two. It is best practice for the duty weapon on the dominant side and the taser on the non-dominant side.
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Post by athn64 on Apr 12, 2021 11:44:29 GMT -6
he's falling back on the if you'd only just behaved yourself we wouldn't have to kill you And yet, mass murderers are routinely arrested and not shot. dlslkjbklwelkfnfdlkb
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 12, 2021 11:44:39 GMT -6
Charles Ramsey is explaining why you carry the taser as a cross draw.
Because of a 2009 shooting in Oakland CA, when they were carried on the same side.
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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 12, 2021 11:45:05 GMT -6
I maybe misunderstanding you, but are you saying it's best practice for the taser to be on the dominant side? Because that goes exactly against what the police chief says they have their officers do. Which holy shit. No, sorry. I was responding (poorly) to your question about separating the two. It is best practice for the duty weapon on the dominant side and the taser on the non-dominant side. Do you know why? Because I would think (maybe wrongly?) you would automatically go for whatever is on your dominant side in a chaotic situation.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:46:25 GMT -6
MSNBC must have played the body cam footage. You clearly hear a woman shouting "tase him tase him tase him" and then "oh god I just shot him" I'm listening on Alexa so I didn't see it.
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Post by starbuck on Apr 12, 2021 11:47:06 GMT -6
he's falling back on the if you'd only just behaved yourself we wouldn't have to kill you This shit drives me up the wall. Nobody who believes that should be allowed in law enforcement.
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:47:15 GMT -6
No, sorry. I was responding (poorly) to your question about separating the two. It is best practice for the duty weapon on the dominant side and the taser on the non-dominant side. Do you know why? Because I would think (maybe wrongly?) you would automatically go for whatever is on your dominant side in a chaotic situation. If I had to guess it's for the officer's self protection
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:48:48 GMT -6
Good thread
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Post by sheilathetank on Apr 12, 2021 11:49:33 GMT -6
Do you know why? Because I would think (maybe wrongly?) you would automatically go for whatever is on your dominant side in a chaotic situation. If I had to guess it's for the officer's self protection But it sets a situation up for escalation from the get go. If we've learned anything it's that we need to deescalate shit not come in like rambo. I'm just talking here, not arguing with you.
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Post by carmensandiego on Apr 12, 2021 11:49:49 GMT -6
Do you know why? Because I would think (maybe wrongly?) you would automatically go for whatever is on your dominant side in a chaotic situation. In a stressful situation, it's supposed to help with muscle memory. Deadly force on dominant side and intermediate force on non-dominant side. Practice should be done with the draw/cross position in simulations. But it does happen that someone pulls from the dominant side accidentally. Not often anymore as they should have been separated.
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Post by fatpony on Apr 12, 2021 11:53:09 GMT -6
Fuck them.
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Post by carmensandiego on Apr 12, 2021 11:53:27 GMT -6
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Post by fatpony on Apr 12, 2021 11:56:32 GMT -6
Isn't this the whole purpose behind the defund the police movement? So money goes to social services rather than the militarization of police forces?
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Post by dc2london on Apr 12, 2021 11:56:46 GMT -6
Some Big Ass news
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Post by carmensandiego on Apr 12, 2021 11:58:27 GMT -6
fatpony, would you mind editing out the quote? But yes, that's the partial defund argument. There is more on the militarization of law enforcement, along with culture problems, and how much (or little) training exists plus where it is allocated.
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Post by carmensandiego on Apr 12, 2021 11:59:57 GMT -6
@icedtea, not surprising. Plus there is very much an "us versus them" mentality in that circle right now.
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