clucky
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Post by clucky on Feb 14, 2021 11:49:46 GMT -6
I think this is where much of my frustration lands. The line between these separate branches has been blurred so much further than it had before. Even the attempts to blur the judicial and executive branches was attempted further than ever before. It held, but it doesn’t appear to have held by much. Rather scary and disappointing. “He [Sasse] stated that Congress needs to "respect itself enough to tell the executive that some lines cannot be crossed." “ thehill.com/homenews/senate/538771-sasse-on-vote-to-convict-trump-he-violated-a-presidents-oath-of-office?amp
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Post by jaygee on Feb 14, 2021 12:28:39 GMT -6
Claire McCaskill asserts that Mitch maybe couldn’t get 10 votes and that would have exposed a weakness in his leadership that he couldn’t risk. Eh, I don’t know if I buy that. At the end of the day, they want to stay in power and Mitch had sold a vote to convict as a way to win re-election, at least 10 more would’ve followed. He could’ve said: we convict, win back corporate donors, obstruct the Dems for 2-4 years, lean into their bread and butter social policy talking points. AND no Trump on the ballot. I’m not saying the party would be successful and reunite the Republican Party, but I think he could have made a case that would have convinced more Rs to convict. I don’t really buy it either, it was just the first time I heard it mentioned so I gave it some thought.
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clucky
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Post by clucky on Feb 14, 2021 12:34:51 GMT -6
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Post by elle on Feb 14, 2021 15:12:29 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Feb 14, 2021 15:40:29 GMT -6
This is a good thread. I’m mentally getting there. But I’m still wounded.
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Post by Pizzaslut on Feb 15, 2021 6:59:53 GMT -6
This is a good thread. I’m mentally getting there. But I’m still wounded. 'Toupee Fiasco' DEAD
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Post by PandaWatch on Feb 15, 2021 7:40:44 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Feb 15, 2021 20:54:23 GMT -6
This is an interesting thread.
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iruntodrink
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Post by iruntodrink on Feb 15, 2021 21:12:49 GMT -6
This is an interesting thread. I like it. I need to see some shit moving forward real soon though. Like...real soon. Some of these have had years to prep.
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Post by oreobitsy on Feb 15, 2021 21:21:52 GMT -6
This is an interesting thread. I can get behind this, but at some point I need all these trials and tribulations to pan out. It’s annoying to have to keep reading about this master game of chess that’s happening while the Trump flag down the street is loud and proud.
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Post by PandaWatch on Feb 16, 2021 6:52:40 GMT -6
This is from the Washington Co. PA GOP chair re: Sen. Toomey: “We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do ‘the right thing’ or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us,” Ball told KDKA, a CBS affiliate based in Pittsburgh. www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/we-did-not-send-him-there-vote-his-conscience-amid-backlash-pennsylvania-gop-may-censure-toomey/I just can’t. Being a juror in an impeachment trial is not about representing your constituents. It’s supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry. Either the facts show the person is guilty or the facts show the person is not guilty. Members of Congress represent their constituents when it comes to legislation. These people are so fucking stupid.
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starbuck
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Post by starbuck on Feb 16, 2021 7:07:20 GMT -6
This is from the Washington Co. PA GOP chair re: Sen. Toomey: “We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do ‘the right thing’ or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us,” Ball told KDKA, a CBS affiliate based in Pittsburgh. www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/we-did-not-send-him-there-vote-his-conscience-amid-backlash-pennsylvania-gop-may-censure-toomey/I just can’t. Being a juror in an impeachment trial is not about representing your constituents. It’s supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry. Either the facts show the person is guilty or the facts show the person is not guilty. Members of Congress represent their constituents when it comes to legislation. These people are so fucking stupid. "law and order unless we don't like it"
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starbuck
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Post by starbuck on Feb 16, 2021 7:16:16 GMT -6
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iruntodrink
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Post by iruntodrink on Feb 16, 2021 8:00:56 GMT -6
Trumpers really do need to splinter off. I hope he does make a party.
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Post by Eagles on Feb 16, 2021 8:05:56 GMT -6
This is from the Washington Co. PA GOP chair re: Sen. Toomey: “We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do ‘the right thing’ or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us,” Ball told KDKA, a CBS affiliate based in Pittsburgh. www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/we-did-not-send-him-there-vote-his-conscience-amid-backlash-pennsylvania-gop-may-censure-toomey/I just can’t. Being a juror in an impeachment trial is not about representing your constituents. It’s supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry. Either the facts show the person is guilty or the facts show the person is not guilty. Members of Congress represent their constituents when it comes to legislation. These people are so fucking stupid. Pennsylvania is a weird ass state and sometimes I really hate it here. If I'm being really truthful, he won in 2016 because the Dems ran a completely terrible candidate and PA went for T because of "Killary" and T's promise of mining jobs (which are not coming back) and letting people keep their guns. Also PA Dems just assumed we'd do the heavy lifting in Philadelphia and carry the state. Two years later Casey breezed his way into another term because we fought smarter and harder.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Feb 16, 2021 9:00:45 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 16, 2021 9:14:18 GMT -6
Obligatory fuck off mitch
Not even reading it at this point.
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Post by dc2london on Feb 16, 2021 9:30:54 GMT -6
This is from the Washington Co. PA GOP chair re: Sen. Toomey: “We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do ‘the right thing’ or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us,” Ball told KDKA, a CBS affiliate based in Pittsburgh. www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/we-did-not-send-him-there-vote-his-conscience-amid-backlash-pennsylvania-gop-may-censure-toomey/I just can’t. Being a juror in an impeachment trial is not about representing your constituents. It’s supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry. Either the facts show the person is guilty or the facts show the person is not guilty. Members of Congress represent their constituents when it comes to legislation. These people are so fucking stupid. H and I were talking last night about whether and when there is a time for representatives to take an action that doesn't reflect their constituents' immediate wishes. The founders created a republic, not a direct democracy, to guard against the "passions" that can ignite the public. We elect representatives to not just represent us, but (in theory) to, sometimes, be wiser or more cool-headed than us. And if, a few years later, we're still mad about the thing, we have the opportunity to replace them with someone wiser and more level headed than we believe them to be. So our conclusion was that impeachment of a criminal insurrectionist is just the type of situation in which an elected representative may rightly vote against the "passions" inflaming their constituency in the moment in the interest of protecting the republic long term. So, yeah dude, you actually DID send Senator Toomey to Washington to vote his conscience.
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Post by cakewench on Feb 16, 2021 9:36:27 GMT -6
This is from the Washington Co. PA GOP chair re: Sen. Toomey: “We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do ‘the right thing’ or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us,” Ball told KDKA, a CBS affiliate based in Pittsburgh. www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/we-did-not-send-him-there-vote-his-conscience-amid-backlash-pennsylvania-gop-may-censure-toomey/I just can’t. Being a juror in an impeachment trial is not about representing your constituents. It’s supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry. Either the facts show the person is guilty or the facts show the person is not guilty. Members of Congress represent their constituents when it comes to legislation. These people are so fucking stupid. H and I were talking last night about whether and when there is a time for representatives to take an action that doesn't reflect their constituents' immediate wishes. The founders created a republic, not a direct democracy, to guard against the "passions" that can ignite the public. We elect representatives to not just represent us, but (in theory) to, sometimes, be wiser or more cool-headed than us. And if, a few years later, we're still mad about the thing, we have the opportunity to replace them with someone wiser and more level headed than we believe them to be. So our conclusion was that impeachment of a criminal insurrectionist is just the type of situation in which an elected representative may rightly vote against the "passions" inflaming their constituency in the moment in the interest of protecting the republic long term. So, yeah dude, you actually DID send Senator Toomey to Washington to vote his conscience. I can't find the video clip of this, but this is one of my favorite parts of 1776: John Adams: [singing in the empty hall] Is anybody there?... Does anybody care?... Does anybody see... what I see? Dr. Lyman Hall: Yes, Mr. Adams, I do. John Adams: Dr. Hall, I didn't know anyone was... Dr. Lyman Hall: I'm sorry if I startled you. I couldn't sleep. In trying to resolve my dilemma I remembered something I'd once read, "that a representative owes the People not only his industry, but his judgment, and he betrays them if he sacrifices it to their opinion." [He smiles] Dr. Lyman Hall: It was written by Edmund Burke, a member of the British Parliament. [He walks to the tally board and changes his 'nay' vote to 'yea' on independence]
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Post by AmyG on Feb 16, 2021 11:05:02 GMT -6
This is from the Washington Co. PA GOP chair re: Sen. Toomey: “We did not send him there to vote his conscience. We did not send him there to do ‘the right thing’ or whatever he said he was doing. We sent him there to represent us,” Ball told KDKA, a CBS affiliate based in Pittsburgh. www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/16/nation/we-did-not-send-him-there-vote-his-conscience-amid-backlash-pennsylvania-gop-may-censure-toomey/I just can’t. Being a juror in an impeachment trial is not about representing your constituents. It’s supposed to be a fact-finding inquiry. Either the facts show the person is guilty or the facts show the person is not guilty. Members of Congress represent their constituents when it comes to legislation. These people are so fucking stupid. H and I were talking last night about whether and when there is a time for representatives to take an action that doesn't reflect their constituents' immediate wishes. The founders created a republic, not a direct democracy, to guard against the "passions" that can ignite the public. We elect representatives to not just represent us, but (in theory) to, sometimes, be wiser or more cool-headed than us. And if, a few years later, we're still mad about the thing, we have the opportunity to replace them with someone wiser and more level headed than we believe them to be. So our conclusion was that impeachment of a criminal insurrectionist is just the type of situation in which an elected representative may rightly vote against the "passions" inflaming their constituency in the moment in the interest of protecting the republic long term. So, yeah dude, you actually DID send Senator Toomey to Washington to vote his conscience. Write that up as an op ed and get it published
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clucky
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Post by clucky on Feb 16, 2021 11:28:31 GMT -6
👀👀👀
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Post by lemondrop on Feb 16, 2021 11:35:16 GMT -6
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clucky
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Post by clucky on Feb 16, 2021 11:49:09 GMT -6
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starbuck
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Post by starbuck on Feb 16, 2021 12:30:18 GMT -6
I love everything about this. And yes KKK act. Let's call it what it fucking was - white supremacist bullshit
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