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Post by layloo on Jan 15, 2021 9:07:10 GMT -6
I teach for a large online university and had a student tell me he has been activated by the national guard to go to DC for 10 days. I'm not sure what state he resides in but I'm glad they are being proactive. I hope he (and all of them) stay safe and no crazies come out...
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ktg
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Post by ktg on Jan 15, 2021 9:43:31 GMT -6
ktg I disagree and feel calling them out as terrorists is important, but I do understand your POV and appreciate you sharing it. It's sticky for me. It's accurate! We should use accurate descriptions and language. On the other hand, "terrorist" is very loaded. It comes up for me when describing 2A militias, because many of them are terrorist organizations, in factual reality. Home-grown, radicalized domestic terrorists. But changing the language allows members to not identify their actions with terrorism: "maybe those other groups are bad, but WE'RE just a militia. It's in the constitution. We're right." No self-reflection, no hesitation or examination in their actions. But again, they are in fact terrorists. It's not a clear path. I am NOT advocating for soft language. I don't want to tone police, I want to be thoughtfully aware of the language I use.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 15, 2021 9:50:31 GMT -6
While I agree that we should not lose sight of the fact that they are human, and our language should reflect that, some of them are also terrorists.
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Post by snowyowl on Jan 15, 2021 10:13:10 GMT -6
I saw an argument against using the word terrorist that basically went: The word terrorist has primarily been used as a weapon against BIPOC people. There is the potential for people to then use the Capitol as an opportunity to say we need to tighten up our policies and laws against terrorism. Which in turn will then disproportionately be used against BIPOC people.
I think this argument has some merit. If we call this a terrorist attack that initially disguised itself as protest, then how quickly does every BLM protest in the future become a “terrorist attack” in the mouths of lawmakers? Not that they aren’t already doing that, but it could further normalize blurring that line of protester/terrorist.
The problem is what language you would use to replace it. Insurgent? Insurrectionist? Those might work, but it’s hard to replace the power of the word terrorist.
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Post by byjove on Jan 15, 2021 10:18:31 GMT -6
DC mayor having a press conference about inauguration precautions at noon.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Jan 15, 2021 10:21:18 GMT -6
They have cancelled the practice inauguration that was scheduled for Sunday
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2021 10:44:00 GMT -6
They have cancelled the practice inauguration that was scheduled for Sunday this morning Scuitto said the area around the capitol reminded him of Kabul.
which wow.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2021 10:59:05 GMT -6
FFFC Re: the language, will not stop calling Mitch a turtle. He pulls his head in when he doesnt want to deal with :::waves hands::: and is fairly protected by his 'shell'. I dont think it dehumanizes him, to ME its an accurate description of him.
That said I see both sides here. I dont care for the use of 'terrorist' in describing a riotous mob participating in a failed coup d'etat. That gives them more power than I feel they deserve. There are individual ringleaders who that label could be applied to but as far as the majority of the others, I feel sorry that they have been radicalized and unable separate fact from fiction. We as society have failed each other in so many ways, starting with not teaching critical thinking skills. And just like any other person who breaks a law, they should be tried fairly, serve their time and then move on with their lives.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jan 15, 2021 12:18:01 GMT -6
While I agree that we should not lose sight of the fact that they are human, and our language should reflect that, some of them are also terrorists. And specifically that white people can be terrorists.
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Post by oreobitsy on Jan 15, 2021 12:22:26 GMT -6
My local news website had an advertisement for body armor. I don’t understand how that could be considered a good advertiser in these times.
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Post by byjove on Jan 15, 2021 12:28:11 GMT -6
The national mall is closed through at least Thursday.
Quote from DCist: NPS said in a release that it’s closing the areas “in response to real and substantially likely threats to visitors and park resources.”
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Post by willow on Jan 15, 2021 13:02:51 GMT -6
Just got an email from work telling us to telework if possible on Wednesday. I mean, I would but you're forcing libraries to be open to the public, so.... Meanwhile our boss is mandating that everyone WFH on Tues and Wed next week. We attorneys are permanently WFH but the legal secretaries and paralegals have been rotating 2 weeks in and out of the office in "pods" because of mailing and stuff. So this is a big deal to keep us all home for two days. So crazy. Though our building is the closest to the capitol building and other things, but still a good 10 miles away or whatever.
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Post by lemondrop on Jan 15, 2021 13:15:50 GMT -6
ktg I disagree and feel calling them out as terrorists is important, but I do understand your POV and appreciate you sharing it. I'm here. A terrorist is "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims". The people who stormed the Capitol used unlawful violence. They beat a man so badly he died. They used violence and fear and weapons and chaos. They wanted to overturn a political election (or recount) in their own favor. They are domestic terrorists, by literal definition.
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Post by ozziebear on Jan 15, 2021 13:47:17 GMT -6
I’m for the word terrorism and using it properly, though I find violent extremism to be a useful term when we’re talking about radicalization as a precursor to organized terrorism. Terrorism is often applied incorrectly and is particularly prone to abuse exactly because it is such an evocative word. I agree that the goal should be to reclaim the definition of terrorism/extremism and apply it to those committing those acts (which, historically in the US, is usually white men), not to shy away from the word.
I wrote my graduate thesis on crummy US countering violent extremism (CVE) programs lol.
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Post by Pistol on Jan 15, 2021 13:55:00 GMT -6
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Jan 15, 2021 14:44:29 GMT -6
I can't find an article on it, but Trump wants a military send off with a crowd of supporters for him leaving.
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Post by hawkward on Jan 15, 2021 14:47:46 GMT -6
I don’t know where else to put this. My mom just called me and said her sister that has been falling headlong into Trumpism bought tons of groceries Tuesday night last week. She lives with my grandma and Grandma said she thought it was strange that she’d shop on a Tuesday night but then when everything happened Wednesday afternoon it all started making sense... I’m just... yikes.
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Post by cakewench on Jan 15, 2021 14:51:42 GMT -6
I can't find an article on it, but Trump wants a military send off with a crowd of supporters for him leaving. My H mentioned this to me last night... we still can't find my eyes from wherever they rolled to.
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Post by sewf on Jan 15, 2021 14:52:41 GMT -6
I can't find an article on it, but Trump wants a military send off with a crowd of supporters for him leaving. My H mentioned this to me last night... we still can't find my eyes from wherever they rolled to. There might be clapping when he leaves, but it won’t be supporters...
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Jan 15, 2021 15:50:29 GMT -6
ok - we have all be wondering - Since Trump is leaving before the inauguration, there will be 2 nuclear footballs. One will travel with Trump to Florida when he goes. As soon as Biden is sworn in, Trumps codes are invalid.
Also, the MyPillow guy is trying to get him to declare martial law so there is that
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Post by starbuck on Jan 15, 2021 15:52:00 GMT -6
ok - we have all be wondering - Since Trump is leaving before the inauguration, there will be 2 nuclear footballs. One will travel with Trump to Florida when he goes. As soon as Biden is sworn in, Trumps codes are invalid. Also, the MyPillow guy is trying to get him to declare martial law so there is that Martial law is the Q crowd's favorite fantasy, it seems.
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snowyowl
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Post by snowyowl on Jan 15, 2021 16:26:01 GMT -6
I cannot see MyPillow without getting the My Buddy jingle from that 90s commercial stuck in my head.
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Post by unheardof on Jan 15, 2021 16:31:17 GMT -6
The NG in our area are being activated. Some to go to DC, some to go in to our state capital.
H hasn’t been called yet but I’m getting anxious.
All the news about the plans these people had for members of the senate, Pence, etc is terrifying.
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Post by miawallace on Jan 15, 2021 16:39:26 GMT -6
I think we are use to seeing terrorists that bomb buildings and go on mass shootings. I tell my husband I can’t even think what they’d do to the women they were after had they gotten to them. Makes me want to vomit. I think of AOC and pelosi and that group had nauseating Ill intent. They are members of extreme political groups, the same way the taliban and Isis are. Terrorists.
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Post by cakewench on Jan 15, 2021 19:16:56 GMT -6
Virginia-DC bridges will be closed Tuesday-Thursday:
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Post by athn64 on Jan 15, 2021 19:29:01 GMT -6
Virginia-DC bridges will be closed Tuesday-Thursday: Bridges closed and the metro closed. They don't want anyone getting into DC.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 15, 2021 19:31:50 GMT -6
I saw an argument against using the word terrorist that basically went: The word terrorist has primarily been used as a weapon against BIPOC people. There is the potential for people to then use the Capitol as an opportunity to say we need to tighten up our policies and laws against terrorism. Which in turn will then disproportionately be used against BIPOC people. I think this argument has some merit. If we call this a terrorist attack that initially disguised itself as protest, then how quickly does every BLM protest in the future become a “terrorist attack” in the mouths of lawmakers? Not that they aren’t already doing that, but it could further normalize blurring that line of protester/terrorist. The problem is what language you would use to replace it. Insurgent? Insurrectionist? Those might work, but it’s hard to replace the power of the word terrorist. I worry alot about this. There are understandable calls for a domestic terrorism statute, but we know it will be used against BIPOC way more than white people.
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Post by iruntodrink on Jan 15, 2021 19:33:40 GMT -6
Virginia-DC bridges will be closed Tuesday-Thursday: Bridges closed and the metro closed. They don't want anyone getting into DC. close down, DC - we gotchu.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 15, 2021 19:40:08 GMT -6
It's no secret that I have little use for the current Metro transit chief but at the District press briefing today a reporter asked him what about the (largely low income) population that rely on Metro to get to work and he did the verbal equivalent of a shrug and moved on.
So, ya know, not great Bob.
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Post by ktg on Jan 15, 2021 19:41:33 GMT -6
It's no secret that I have little use for the current Metro transit chief but at the District press briefing today a reporter asked him what about the (largely low income) population that rely on Metro to get to work and he did the verbal equivalent of a shrug and moved on. So, ya know, not great Bob. I guess they can get to work by their bootstraps. 😐
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