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Post by starbuck on Dec 11, 2019 12:15:57 GMT -6
TLDR: Much like it's only murder if you yell out what you're doing, you must also yell "I'M GOING TO BAIT YOU INTO CRIME-ING RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME" or it's not a real investigation.
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:16:26 GMT -6
Good for Durbin, calling on Graham to hold hearings about FISA separately
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Dec 11, 2019 12:16:31 GMT -6
Now he thinks everyone should be told when they are being investigated. To be fair, it wouldn't have mattered, Trump still would have crimed.
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Post by lemondrop on Dec 11, 2019 12:16:39 GMT -6
Horowitz again having to defend the intelligence briefing to team Trump. The agent was watching for Flynn's reaction when told that Russia was interfering. Cornyn thinks the agent should have read Flynn Miranda oh for fuck's sake.
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Post by lemondrop on Dec 11, 2019 12:17:45 GMT -6
TLDR: Much like it's only murder if you yell out what you're doing, you must also yell "I'M GOING TO BAIT YOU INTO CRIME-ING RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME" or it's not a real investigation. *pulls out hair* THAT'S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS.
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:17:46 GMT -6
But I mean, again, if you sit in a bar and loudly shout that you just robbed a donut shop, and a cop overhears you, that's not the cop's fault and you're still going to jail
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Post by jkjacq on Dec 11, 2019 12:18:09 GMT -6
HOLD UP if the presidential candidate is INVOLVED with persons who are known to be subversive, THEY SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED. Flynn is a fucking perfect example. He was KNOWN to have other interests outside of American ones. So yeah when you allow him to cozy up AND RUN YOUR CAMPAIGN then yes there is a reason to start surveillance.
if you dont want to be under investigation, DONT CRIME FFS . If you dont want a ticket, dont speed. its motherfucking commonsense
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:19:34 GMT -6
Durbin is making that same argument now, pointing out why it's important to keep investigations quiet.
This hasn't been said yet, but another huge reason investigations and grand jury proceedings are secretive is to protect the reputation of someone who may, in fact, be completely innocent.
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:20:50 GMT -6
I adore Dick Durbin, but the IG already answered this question
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Post by jkjacq on Dec 11, 2019 12:22:27 GMT -6
Durbin was trying to get IG to say Rudy Cullody is under investigation LOL
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:23:23 GMT -6
Horowitz: The Steele Dossier had no impact on the initiation of Crossfire Hurricane. In fact, the investigative team didn't even know about the Steele Dossier when they started.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Dec 11, 2019 12:24:44 GMT -6
Horowitz: The Steele Dossier had no impact on the initiation of Crossfire Hurricane. In fact, the investigative team didn't even know about the Steele Dossier when they started. This was a perfect soundbite
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:25:42 GMT -6
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Post by starbuck on Dec 11, 2019 12:25:50 GMT -6
Oh good, Mike Lee
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Post by starbuck on Dec 11, 2019 12:26:16 GMT -6
Lee: anyone saying this report exonerates the FBI is crazy. COMEY COMEY COMEY
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Post by jkjacq on Dec 11, 2019 12:26:23 GMT -6
Did lindsey just ask if anyone with the campaign was charged with working with the russians and IG answered negative
I'm confused.
WHAT ABOUT Flynn, Gates, and the 13 other russians indicted? What did I miss there?
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:27:47 GMT -6
The Republicans are being really unfair here. Nobody has said, "Nothing to see here!" What the Democrats *have* said is that the shit Fox News has been peddling has turned out not to be true
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Post by starbuck on Dec 11, 2019 12:29:59 GMT -6
Lee not really asking questions, just speechifying
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:30:15 GMT -6
Did lindsey just ask if anyone with the campaign was charged with working with the russians and IG answered negative I'm confused. WHAT ABOUT Flynn, Gates, and the 13 other russians indicted? What did I miss there? Manafort was FARA/financial fraud Flynn was lying to the FBI Gates was FARA and financial crimes So no, nobody was charged with conspiring with Russia
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:30:54 GMT -6
Lee not really asking questions, just speechifying There goes the last hope of any Republican being a patriot today. If Mike Lee of all people isn't going to focus on the actual important stuff, nobody is.
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:31:20 GMT -6
Utah Republican v v v v concerned about the politicization of the intel community.
Oh.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on Dec 11, 2019 12:31:29 GMT -6
Lee: I don't like your conclusion, so I'm just gonna talk and talk
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:33:05 GMT -6
Mike Lee wants us to know that checks and balances are important to stop one person from amassing too much power.
Also oh.
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Post by jkjacq on Dec 11, 2019 12:34:58 GMT -6
Mike Lee wants us to know that checks and balances are important to stop one person from amassing too much power. Also oh. O RLY?
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Post by starbuck on Dec 11, 2019 12:35:29 GMT -6
Mike Lee wants us to know that checks and balances are important to stop one person from amassing too much power. Also oh. Or hypocrisy. Or both.
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Post by JukEboX on Dec 11, 2019 12:36:07 GMT -6
I think Mike Lee is broken. His "Bias" record is skipping. Can we move on because he is just simply broken.
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Post by dc2london on Dec 11, 2019 12:36:28 GMT -6
lol Sheldon Whitehouse is like, "Yeahhhhhh we're not doing any of that"
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Post by starbuck on Dec 11, 2019 12:36:47 GMT -6
::waves at Sheldon::
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Post by JukEboX on Dec 11, 2019 12:36:49 GMT -6
Based on the EVIDENCE, there is not bias at the start. Why is that so hard. THERE IS EVIDENCE.
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Post by starbuck on Dec 11, 2019 12:37:30 GMT -6
Sheldon points out many of these issues with FISA are endemic - and thus, without further evidence, not necessarily evidence of FBI abuse and bias against Trump
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