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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:21:45 GMT -6
Himes is just shredding Ratcliffe now
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 20, 2019 17:21:51 GMT -6
Hale is a minority witness and he is not giving the 'right' answers. LOL
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Post by starbuck on Nov 20, 2019 17:21:58 GMT -6
Thanks for keeping the live blogging going dc2london I'm dealing with dinner/bed/making huge amounts of deviled eggs for MH's office party tomorrow but trying to follow along.
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Post by Peekaru on Nov 20, 2019 17:24:53 GMT -6
Thanks for keeping the live blogging going dc2london I'm dealing with dinner/bed/making huge amounts of deviled eggs for MH's office party tomorrow but trying to follow along. How are you shelling them all?! Also, I am still at work on the East coast. Tupperware dinner it is.
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Post by notblanche on Nov 20, 2019 17:25:16 GMT -6
I am half asleep on the couch at 6:24 p.m. and all I did today was sit at my desk. Endurance awards go to committee members and dc2london.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:25:19 GMT -6
Himes: Who controls the power of the purse? It's the Congress not POTUS, correct? Cooper: Yes sir
Himes: Congress is also concerned about corruption. So we built in conditions, just as Mr Ratcliffe suggested. Under the law, DOD works with State and other agencies to establish anticorruption benchmarks and certifies whether they have been met? Cooper: Yes
Himes: And that's a specific legal process, correct? Cooper: Yes Himes: So did that process take place with regard to the DOD funding that was held up in July? Cooper: The process was followed and certified in May
Himes: So by the time Trump froze the aid, DOD had spent MONTHS determining that Ukraine had met every benchmark in fighting corruption Cooper: Correct, we made that determination in May
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:26:40 GMT -6
ART, Himes. Absolute art.
He cites a time when Richard Nixon did the same thing and Congress responded by enacting a law prohibiting such malarkey
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:27:40 GMT -6
Now Conaway is arguing that the requirements on the aid weren't broad enough, apparently forgetting that he is a member of congress, and congress determines the conditions on foreign aid
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Post by Peekaru on Nov 20, 2019 17:27:57 GMT -6
Conway is up.
I hate him.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:28:56 GMT -6
I see Republicans have switched from calling it a "delay" to calling it a "pause." I guess "delay" didn't do well in the focus groups
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 20, 2019 17:30:02 GMT -6
Now Conaway is arguing that the requirements on the aid weren't broad enough, apparently forgetting that he is a member of congress, and congress determines the conditions on foreign aid They all seem to forget they are MOC
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Post by starbuck on Nov 20, 2019 17:30:24 GMT -6
Thanks for keeping the live blogging going dc2london I'm dealing with dinner/bed/making huge amounts of deviled eggs for MH's office party tomorrow but trying to follow along. How are you shelling them all?! Also, I am still at work on the East coast. Tupperware dinner it is. Oh, I'm not. I had my attorney tell my husband to instruct the eggs to shell themselves or risk having the whites get all ripped up.
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Post by Peekaru on Nov 20, 2019 17:30:29 GMT -6
Conway- Wait, that's not the answer I wanted.
WAIT, that's not the answer.
Why don't you work where I want you to work?
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:30:50 GMT -6
Sewell: was it your understanding that POTUS directed the hold? Hale: We were told that OMB was objecting to release of funds bc they had been directed by Trump through Mulvaney
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:32:02 GMT -6
Sewell asks Cooper to explain why a delay in receiving the funding is dangerous for Ukraine
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:33:51 GMT -6
Schiff: Ok Mr Hale, you said it's not unprecedented for aid to be withheld, but is it unprecedented, and wrong, for aid to be wittheld in favor of demanding an investigation into a political opponent?
hale: That would be unusual and wrong
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:34:29 GMT -6
now Jordan is taking a turn at bitching about the witness list
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:35:37 GMT -6
Jordan: State released a statement today saying that sondland had full access to all of his records and documents, despite his testimony to the contrary yikes Gordon
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:37:08 GMT -6
Jordan is just doing the exact same song and dance he did this morning. "They got the aid! So it doesn't matter!" "Trump didnt stand on the Brooklyn Bridge with a giant banner that said, 'I am doing a crime' so, no crime!"
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Post by starbuck on Nov 20, 2019 17:37:35 GMT -6
Jordan: State released a statement today saying that sondland had full access to all of his records and documents, despite his testimony to the contrary yikes Gordon That's the first relevant thing Gymbro has said.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:38:48 GMT -6
Andre Carson seems to have confused the two witnesses....
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:40:36 GMT -6
So much for that perfect call
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Post by tater on Nov 20, 2019 17:41:12 GMT -6
I would say this has not been a good day for the GOP.
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:44:09 GMT -6
They are so obsessed with the javelins. Nevermind that they can't use them. Nevermind the reason Obama didn't was bc the allies basically begged him not to.
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Post by jkjacq on Nov 20, 2019 17:46:33 GMT -6
get obamas name out of your mouth wenstrup
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:50:45 GMT -6
Speier: if the administration was so concerned about corruption, what steps were being taken in June, July and August to ensure that Ukraine was addressing corruption?
Cooper: none that I am aware of
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 17:51:27 GMT -6
Speier: in past cases where funds were withheld, it was multi year funding packages where a delay or hold wouldn't have such dramatic and immediate effect
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 18:04:54 GMT -6
The constant crowing about Trump giving Ukraine the Javelins and not Obama is actually bordering on gross
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Post by dc2london on Nov 20, 2019 18:09:17 GMT -6
Good for Swalwell defending Obama, and listing all the things provided to Ukraine by his administration. "A lot more than blankets"
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Post by oreobitsy on Nov 20, 2019 18:10:41 GMT -6
Thank you for keeping up with this!
Are they moving through fast, or is it just because there isn't much these two handle beyond the aid?
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