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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 21, 2019 17:00:52 GMT -6
Like he has pet squirrels inside the house? He just leaves shit open and letβs wild ones run through. I bet he has a lot of difficulty finding household staff for that particular cottage.
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Post by oreobitsy on Oct 21, 2019 17:05:04 GMT -6
During the whole Pakistan tour I've had a hard time figuring out what is different about Kate. I feel like her hair is not as full, maybe no extensions?
The dress is definitely not great.
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Post by armpants on Oct 21, 2019 17:05:58 GMT -6
My biggest hope for Charles is telling Andrew to get the fuck out and cuts him off from everything in his power.
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Post by armpants on Oct 21, 2019 17:08:13 GMT -6
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Post by beatch on Oct 21, 2019 17:36:57 GMT -6
Matilda Jane maybe? Where it is like 18 different patterns in one dress. Yes, thatβs it! Itβs like a weird cross between grown up Matilda Jane and little house on the prairie. Woof, I think itβs one of my least favorite looks of hers in quite a while. She really has a love of ruffles but I think she looks better in more tailored items. Even as I complain about how her many tailored looks are boring.
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Post by willow on Oct 21, 2019 17:42:04 GMT -6
Lol at those IG posts. Critiquing fashion is the best part of royals. And celebrities in general. Clearly that IG person has never enjoyed the website GoFugYourself.
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Post by snowyowl on Oct 21, 2019 18:17:53 GMT -6
My random thoughts:
The BRF should do more to respond to the worst attacks H+M are getting.
I wonder if W+K and C+C see their current popularity as a fragile thing, and part of their motivation for staying out of it is not getting dragged into the negative coverage. It wasnβt so long ago that Charles was HATED, and Camilla was the evil other woman. And weβve discussed all the negative press Kate has gotten. Itβs absolutely not an excuse. They should comment on the racism at the VERY least.
Kate in particular could be fearful of the press turning on her. She sought out this life, but that doesnβt mean it wasnβt probably much harder than she expected. Not growing up in it, I donβt think you can be really prepared. I might be not remembering correctly, but sheβs the only one whose really gone out of her way to do a public appearance with Meghan that wasnβt an official family thing (Wimbledon). And that while dealing with the fact that her husband sucks.
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Post by wildflower on Oct 21, 2019 18:20:56 GMT -6
I just want them all to be friends. :sob:
I don't even know what I really think. Harry is clearly totally and completely done with the shit his wife gets in the press and is speaking out in an unprecedented way. I wonder if this time off is their idea, or if they are being told/encouraged to take it from the inside?
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Post by catmom88 on Oct 21, 2019 18:32:59 GMT -6
wildflower, oh. I never even thought of the idea of being encouraged to take a break. I could see that happening too. Interesting.
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Post by claudia on Oct 21, 2019 18:43:10 GMT -6
The thing is though, most of Camillaβs and Charlesβ negative coverage has been directly related to things they have done- specifically, carrying out a multi year affair while both married. Most of Kateβs criticism overall has been for actual known facts - very few engagements compared to other members of the family, renovating KP twice at taxpayer expense, wardrobe malfunctions including at a sacred site, etc. Sure, itβs subjective too (like in the case of Charles, when did Diana start cheating so is he justified. In the case of Will and Kate, did thr queen give her blessing for the low numbers, etc. ) None of those can really be compared to relentless attacks Meghan has faced of her as a person- the girl was blamed for wars because she said she likes avocado toast. Itβs why I think it is a whole different ball game and trying to frame it as something they all have been through and judging Harry and Meghan for how theyβve reacted compared to the other couples is not a fair comparison.
No, itβs not right that Camilla, Kate, Will, Beatrice, etc have all been through it with the press but acting like this is the same as all that just doesnβt ring true in my opinion.
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Post by oliversbear on Oct 21, 2019 19:06:27 GMT -6
My random thoughts: The BRF should do more to respond to the worst attacks H+M are getting. I wonder if W+K and C+C see their current popularity as a fragile thing, and part of their motivation for staying out of it is not getting dragged into the negative coverage. It wasnβt so long ago that Charles was HATED, and Camilla was the evil other woman. And weβve discussed all the negative press Kate has gotten. Itβs absolutely not an excuse. They should comment on the racism at the VERY least. Kate in particular could be fearful of the press turning on her. She sought out this life, but that doesnβt mean it wasnβt probably much harder than she expected. Not growing up in it, I donβt think you can be really prepared. I might be not remembering correctly, but sheβs the only one whose really gone out of her way to do a public appearance with Meghan that wasnβt an official family thing (Wimbledon). And that while dealing with the fact that her husband sucks. But neither C&C nor W&K need to be liked. That's not the way a monarchy works. Popularity among the people is not important. Sure, it's nice to be liked, but it really doesn't matter one way or the other if you're the Queen/King. Harry is his generation's David (Edvard VIII), the similarities are right there staring everyone in the face. Wallis Simpson was not the kind of go-along-to-get-along royal wife the family expected. Her criticism of the Royal was very well known. She felt they were treating David, and by extension her, horribly. She was particularly upset at her sister-in-law's treatment of them. Neither George V, nor later, Elizabeth II publicly acknowledged anything Wallis said. It was on the whole better to just ignore her. Ignoring the Duke of Windsor was a bit trickier as he had been King, but it pretty much happened.
Harry's other problem is, he is dynastically useless and getting more so every year. Once William had an heir & a spare, Harry became surplus to requirements.
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Post by coffeecake on Oct 21, 2019 19:20:39 GMT -6
My random thoughts: The BRF should do more to respond to the worst attacks H+M are getting. I wonder if W+K and C+C see their current popularity as a fragile thing, and part of their motivation for staying out of it is not getting dragged into the negative coverage. It wasnβt so long ago that Charles was HATED, and Camilla was the evil other woman. And weβve discussed all the negative press Kate has gotten. Itβs absolutely not an excuse. They should comment on the racism at the VERY least. Kate in particular could be fearful of the press turning on her. She sought out this life, but that doesnβt mean it wasnβt probably much harder than she expected. Not growing up in it, I donβt think you can be really prepared. I might be not remembering correctly, but sheβs the only one whose really gone out of her way to do a public appearance with Meghan that wasnβt an official family thing (Wimbledon). And that while dealing with the fact that her husband sucks. But neither C&C nor W&K need to be liked. That's not the way a monarchy works. Popularity among the people is not important. Sure, it's nice to be liked, but it really doesn't matter one way or the other if you're the Queen/King. Harry is his generation's David (Edvard VIII), the similarities are right there staring everyone in the face. Wallis Simpson was not the kind of go-along-to-get-along royal wife the family expected. Her criticism of the Royal was very well known. She felt they were treating David, and by extension her, horribly. She was particularly upset at her sister-in-law's treatment of them. Neither George V, nor later, Elizabeth II publicly acknowledged anything Wallis said. It was on the whole better to just ignore her. Ignoring the Duke of Windsor was a bit trickier as he had been King, but it pretty much happened.
Harry's other problem is, he is dynastically useless and getting more so every year. Once William had an heir & a spare, Harry became surplus to requirements.
I disagree that itβs not important to be liked. The royal family is purely ceremonial at this point. They serve no political function, so if they want to survive as a monarchy they do need to be liked. Otherwise, the monarchy could be abolished at some point. I donβt know how that works, but i assume it could happen at some point. But I do agree that Harry knows heβs not βimportantβ as far as monarchy is concerned. Heβs always known that, but until he got married where was he going to go? Now that he has his own family heβs ready to do things his way. I think itβs been a long time coming, but being helped along by the way Megan has been treated. Williamβs destiny was laid out for him at birth. He never had a choice, but Harry can do what he wants.
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Post by leatherpants on Oct 21, 2019 19:35:18 GMT -6
Like he has pet squirrels inside the house? He just leaves shit open and letβs wild ones run through. Omg this is gross. Wtf Charles.
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Post by oliversbear on Oct 21, 2019 19:37:30 GMT -6
But neither C&C nor W&K need to be liked. That's not the way a monarchy works. Popularity among the people is not important. Sure, it's nice to be liked, but it really doesn't matter one way or the other if you're the Queen/King. Harry is his generation's David (Edvard VIII), the similarities are right there staring everyone in the face. Wallis Simpson was not the kind of go-along-to-get-along royal wife the family expected. Her criticism of the Royal was very well known. She felt they were treating David, and by extension her, horribly. She was particularly upset at her sister-in-law's treatment of them. Neither George V, nor later, Elizabeth II publicly acknowledged anything Wallis said. It was on the whole better to just ignore her. Ignoring the Duke of Windsor was a bit trickier as he had been King, but it pretty much happened.
Harry's other problem is, he is dynastically useless and getting more so every year. Once William had an heir & a spare, Harry became surplus to requirements.
I disagree that itβs not important to be liked. The royal family is purely ceremonial at this point. They serve no political function, so if they want to survive as a monarchy they do need to be liked. Otherwise, the monarchy could be abolished at some point. I donβt know how that works, but i assume it could happen at some point. But I do agree that Harry knows heβs not βimportantβ as far as monarchy is concerned. Heβs always known that, but until he got married where was he going to go? Now that he has his own family heβs ready to do things his way. I think itβs been a long time coming, but being helped along by the way Megan has been treated. Williamβs destiny was laid out for him at birth. He never had a choice, but Harry can do what he wants. Abolishing the Monarchy is generally called Revolution. And I don't think England is ready to take that on right now, certainly not while the country is staring down the barrel of self-destruction with Brexit. There is no guarantee that Scotland & Northern Ireland are going to stay is Brexit actually happens. But abolishing the Monarchy is tricky without out-and-out revolution -- what do you do about all the money & land that is still head by the Monarchy, which is a source of a good bit of the UK budget. There is much more to the Monarchy in relation to the government than just the Queen.
But either way, being liked is not a factor in being King/Queen. That's not how the system works. Whether the populace likes the monarch is immaterial. THEY ARE NOT ELECTED! It's not a popularity contest and you can't just say let's impeach them. Being liked is neither here nor there. And the fact that people think it is is a sad commentary on the education systems around the world.
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Post by jorkzy on Oct 21, 2019 19:39:34 GMT -6
I disagree that itβs not important to be liked. The royal family is purely ceremonial at this point. They serve no political function, so if they want to survive as a monarchy they do need to be liked. Otherwise, the monarchy could be abolished at some point. I donβt know how that works, but i assume it could happen at some point. But I do agree that Harry knows heβs not βimportantβ as far as monarchy is concerned. Heβs always known that, but until he got married where was he going to go? Now that he has his own family heβs ready to do things his way. I think itβs been a long time coming, but being helped along by the way Megan has been treated. Williamβs destiny was laid out for him at birth. He never had a choice, but Harry can do what he wants. Abolishing the Monarchy is generally called Revolution. And I don't think England is ready to take that on right now, certainly not while the country is staring down the barrel of self-destruction with Brexit. There is no guarantee that Scotland & Northern Ireland are going to stay is Brexit actually happens. But abolishing the Monarchy is tricky without out-and-out revolution -- what do you do about all the money & land that is still head by the Monarchy, which is a source of a good bit of the UK budget. There is much more to the Monarchy in relation to the government than just the Queen.
But either way, being liked is not a factor in being King/Queen. That's not how the system works. Whether the populace likes the monarch is immaterial. THEY ARE NOT ELECTED! It's not a popularity contest and you can't just say let's impeach them. Being liked is neither here nor there. And the fact that people think it is is a sad commentary on the education systems around the world.
Lol at your last sentence though. Why should non-commonwealth countries learn about the workings on the BRF, or any royal family for that matter, beyond their role in historical events?
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Post by snowyowl on Oct 21, 2019 19:43:48 GMT -6
My random thoughts: The BRF should do more to respond to the worst attacks H+M are getting. I wonder if W+K and C+C see their current popularity as a fragile thing, and part of their motivation for staying out of it is not getting dragged into the negative coverage. It wasnβt so long ago that Charles was HATED, and Camilla was the evil other woman. And weβve discussed all the negative press Kate has gotten. Itβs absolutely not an excuse. They should comment on the racism at the VERY least. Kate in particular could be fearful of the press turning on her. She sought out this life, but that doesnβt mean it wasnβt probably much harder than she expected. Not growing up in it, I donβt think you can be really prepared. I might be not remembering correctly, but sheβs the only one whose really gone out of her way to do a public appearance with Meghan that wasnβt an official family thing (Wimbledon). And that while dealing with the fact that her husband sucks. But neither C&C nor W&K need to be liked. That's not the way a monarchy works. Popularity among the people is not important. Sure, it's nice to be liked, but it really doesn't matter one way or the other if you're the Queen/King. Harry is his generation's David (Edvard VIII), the similarities are right there staring everyone in the face. Wallis Simpson was not the kind of go-along-to-get-along royal wife the family expected. Her criticism of the Royal was very well known. She felt they were treating David, and by extension her, horribly. She was particularly upset at her sister-in-law's treatment of them. Neither George V, nor later, Elizabeth II publicly acknowledged anything Wallis said. It was on the whole better to just ignore her. Ignoring the Duke of Windsor was a bit trickier as he had been King, but it pretty much happened.
Harry's other problem is, he is dynastically useless and getting more so every year. Once William had an heir & a spare, Harry became surplus to requirements.
I see your point, but I think it was a very different world in terms of the press back in the Wallis Simpson days. Imagine if sheβd gotten current The Sun and Daily Mail on her side... would have been easy to do if sheβd been willing to spill about the royal family, which I 100% believe she would have. I also think the Queen, Charles, and Camilla have orchestrated years and years of well-timed behaviors to rehab their image after Dianaβs death. They would be pretty protective of that work. Imagine the thought that went into how long before C+C can appear in public, get married, what titles she can have... itβs entirely possible that Charles is working to get Camillaβs popularity level to a place where she can be called queen without a public fuss. Their popularity levels might not be a precursor to the abolition of the monarchy, but Iβm willing to bet Charles wants his wife to be a queen. Again, Iβm still not cool with them sitting back and not taking a stand on attacks on Harry and Meghan. Reasons are not excuses.
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Post by coffeecake on Oct 21, 2019 19:47:22 GMT -6
Lol. I know theyβre not elected. I am not British and clearly only know the basics. But I do know that much, lol. But itβs obviously important to them that they have a positive image, otherwise what are they doing with all of their appearances and causes? Isnβt the entire way they operate designed to promote the monarchy and make people think positively of them?
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 19:50:44 GMT -6
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Post by mb3 on Oct 21, 2019 19:56:50 GMT -6
I think Iβm not paying enough attention because I donβt know why Britney is in this thread but itβs absolutely cracking me up.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 19:59:39 GMT -6
I think Iβm not paying enough attention because I donβt know why Britney is in this thread but itβs absolutely cracking me up. Apparently we are uneducated and think the Queen was elected queen? Or... something. I donβt know if Iβm smart enough to follow.
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Post by jorkzy on Oct 21, 2019 20:02:36 GMT -6
I think Iβm not paying enough attention because I donβt know why Britney is in this thread but itβs absolutely cracking me up. Apparently we are uneducated and think the Queen was elected queen? Or... something. I donβt know if Iβm smart enough to follow. Ok but we all know she rules the US, right?
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 20:03:37 GMT -6
Apparently we are uneducated and think the Queen was elected queen? Or... something. I donβt know if Iβm smart enough to follow. Ok but we all know she rules the US, right? Yes, I think I remember that. Thatβs why sheβs on the one dollar bill right?
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Post by jorkzy on Oct 21, 2019 20:05:21 GMT -6
Ok but we all know she rules the US, right? Yes, I think I remember that. Thatβs why sheβs on the one dollar bill right? IDK. My education was sub-par.
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Post by imapenguin on Oct 21, 2019 20:06:58 GMT -6
I learned absolutely zero things about the BRF in school. Actually maybe I learned some of their names at some point. Sub par, indeed.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 20:08:13 GMT -6
I learned absolutely zero things about the BRF in school. Actually maybe I learned some of their names at some point. Sub par, indeed. We learned about that one dick who raised taxes so we had to dump all his tea in the bay and start a war.
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Post by jorkzy on Oct 21, 2019 20:08:43 GMT -6
I live in a commonwealth country and learned nothing about the BRF in school. But we did learn about the Russian revolution and something about Bolsheviks so maybe all was not lost.
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Post by imapenguin on Oct 21, 2019 20:11:55 GMT -6
I learned absolutely zero things about the BRF in school. Actually maybe I learned some of their names at some point. Sub par, indeed. We learned about that one dick who raised taxes so we had to dump all his tea in the bay and start a war. Fucking George. I didnβt even have to google that, so it looks like I did retain some things from high school history.
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Post by imapenguin on Oct 21, 2019 20:12:12 GMT -6
I really hope thatβs the right name. I will google now.
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Post by imapenguin on Oct 21, 2019 20:12:40 GMT -6
It is. Whew.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Oct 21, 2019 20:12:51 GMT -6
I live in a commonwealth country and learned nothing about the BRF in school. But we did learn about the Russian revolution and something about Bolsheviks so maybe all was not lost. Looks like you just became American. Welcome.
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