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Post by athn64 on Oct 2, 2019 16:02:17 GMT -6
I know I've said it before but it is not looking good for small dairy farms. In the last month we have two different farms join into one because neither of them can stay afloat without the other. And if things stay the way they are, I don't know how long they can hold on without either merging with a bigger farm or close completely. The feed prices for cattle has gone up so much. About a week ago I was entering an invoice (A/P & A/R processor at a small town Co-op) and was shocked at the wholesale price of a certain type of feed. I went back about 14 months, when I started, and looked at an invoice for the price difference. It was shocking. I'm talking about a 48% increase on only one type of feed in less than a year and a half.
That is really dramatic. How awful for small farms. And it's not just dairy farms that are in trouble. Farmers around here are looking at falling crop prices and lower yields. Trump is basically killing the farming industry.
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Post by elle on Oct 2, 2019 16:16:28 GMT -6
That is really dramatic. How awful for small farms. And it's not just dairy farms that are in trouble. Farmers around here are looking at falling crop prices and lower yields. Trump is basically killing the farming industry. Yeah, I read some stuff about how terrible it all is for all types of farms - (TW) and the sharp increase in suicide among farmers because of it. Just all around terrible. And all because #45 doesn't actually understand how economics and tariffs work.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 2, 2019 16:16:39 GMT -6
That is really dramatic. How awful for small farms. And it's not just dairy farms that are in trouble. Farmers around here are looking at falling crop prices and lower yields. Trump is basically killing the farming industry. I listen to country music so I hear the ag business report frequently and it's depressing. I can't imagine what these farmers are feeling.
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Post by mirabelle on Oct 2, 2019 16:22:40 GMT -6
I appreciate this safe space to ask questions, are there parallels to how this impeachment process is going compared to Watergate? Did that all start out with an impeachment inquiry or is each impeachment its own monster with different nuances?
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Post by enchanted on Oct 2, 2019 16:30:47 GMT -6
This is petty and I am here for it:
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 2, 2019 16:31:09 GMT -6
I appreciate this safe space to ask questions, are there parallels to how this impeachment process is going compared to Watergate? Did that all start out with an impeachment inquiry or is each impeachment its own monster with different nuances? There are parallels and there are huge differences between this and Watergate.
I'd leave the Clinton investigation out of it, except to compare the rabidness of the right to bring them down to their rabidness of defending this president for things they would gleefully run to convict the last 2 democratic presidents.
I really suggest listening to Slates Slow Burn podcast, Season 1 is all about Watergate and does a much better job explaining than I could but as I was listening, I was seriously HOLY SHIT this is whats happening right now a lot.
But when WG was ramping up, Nixons supporters were full throated in their support for him. It wasn't until the bitter end that they turned and really urged him to resign. But he was always shady in his political dealings.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 2, 2019 16:33:21 GMT -6
Another petty one:
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 2, 2019 16:35:36 GMT -6
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Post by cakewench on Oct 2, 2019 16:38:18 GMT -6
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Post by greykitty on Oct 2, 2019 16:40:00 GMT -6
IMO, each process is its own different monster, even if they share certain administrative processes - there have only been four in our history. It's definitely a political process as well - interestingly, there were Republican senators who ended up supporting Clinton, and Democratic Senators against. IIRC, the electorate responded by going heavily Democratic in the next election. This is something I'm sure Pelosi and senior Democrats were taking into consideration in the last few months. There could well be a backlash with people voting Republican if the impeachment process appears to be only partisan politics, rather than dealing with high crimes and misdemeanors.
Nixon resigned when he was told by Republican leadership that the Senate vote would definitely go against him. At that point, it was a bipartisan vote and it was all but set in concrete that the President would be impeached and removed from office. Nixon, for all his flaws and, I believe, possible illnesses at the end of his presidency, was a true politician. To some extent, he put the needs of the country first, and, I think, also didn't want to undergo the ordeal of a trial he was doomed to lose. He maneuvered as well as he could at the end. Trump is not a politician - I don't think he actually understands what's happening.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 2, 2019 16:51:42 GMT -6
greykitty That's something I think about often when there are comparisons to Watergate. Nixon, for all his flaws, wasn't stupid. 45 is not smart enough to be doing what he's doing.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 2, 2019 16:52:25 GMT -6
I agree with everything you said but wanted to caveat that "I don't know the laws" is not a defense for violating them
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Post by dc2london on Oct 2, 2019 16:53:06 GMT -6
greykitty That's something I think about often when there are comparisons to Watergate. Nixon, for all his flaws, wasn't stupid. 45 is not smart enough to be doing what he's doing. He wasn't stupid and, while he did commit a crime against his country and lie to cover it up, I do think he actually cared about the country.
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Post by greykitty on Oct 2, 2019 16:59:56 GMT -6
I keep wondering, for all of us, and especially those with Republican senators and representatives - does it help to call and ask for the impeachment process and, hopefully, trial, to proceed but in a solemn, putting the county first, tone. Yeah, I know there's a sense of glee and pettiness, but I keep thinking it might help to give Republican Senators room to maneuver - the whole putting the country first.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 2, 2019 17:05:59 GMT -6
I keep wondering, for all of us, and especially those with Republican senators and representatives - does it help to call and ask for the impeachment process and, hopefully, trial, to proceed but in a solemn, putting the county first, tone. Yeah, I know there's a sense of glee and pettiness, but I keep thinking it might help to give Republican Senators room to maneuver - the whole putting the country first. I have been, but one of mine is on his way out and seems to have no fucks left to give and the other keeps sending emails about poor persecuted 45 and the witch hunt. I won't stop calling, though. They need to hear from us even if they won't change their minds.
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Post by enchanted on Oct 2, 2019 17:07:08 GMT -6
greykitty I also think some will do the right thing with incontrovertible proof in front of them. It just takes time. Watergate wasn't done in a few weeks.
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Post by greykitty on Oct 2, 2019 17:08:10 GMT -6
I need to call my own again, just to let them know I'm supportive of this difficult path. Mine are all in favor of the impeachment process, but I'm sure all their constituents are not.
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Post by greykitty on Oct 2, 2019 17:09:59 GMT -6
greykitty I also think some will do the right thing with incontrovertible proof in front of them. It just takes time. Watergate wasn't done in a few weeks. Nope - it was far into Nixon's second term. In memory, it seemed like it happened in the matter of a few months, but it was a long, hard process. I know we've discussed this - this whole 24 hour news cycle, twitter dominated repeating of both truth and lies, is not really helping anything, in my mind.
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Post by byjove on Oct 2, 2019 18:39:01 GMT -6
I know I've said it before but it is not looking good for small dairy farms. In the last month we have two different farms join into one because neither of them can stay afloat without the other. And if things stay the way they are, I don't know how long they can hold on without either merging with a bigger farm or close completely. The feed prices for cattle has gone up so much. About a week ago I was entering an invoice (A/P & A/R processor at a small town Co-op) and was shocked at the wholesale price of a certain type of feed. I went back about 14 months, when I started, and looked at an invoice for the price difference. It was shocking. I'm talking about a 48% increase on only one type of feed in less than a year and a half.
That is really dramatic. How awful for small farms. I’m really worried about my dairy farmer friend :/
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Post by dc2london on Oct 2, 2019 18:47:50 GMT -6
I keep wondering, for all of us, and especially those with Republican senators and representatives - does it help to call and ask for the impeachment process and, hopefully, trial, to proceed but in a solemn, putting the county first, tone. Yeah, I know there's a sense of glee and pettiness, but I keep thinking it might help to give Republican Senators room to maneuver - the whole putting the country first. My opinion is worth basically nothing but I would say that any sense of joy or football spiking will immediately be dismissed by electeds who oppose impeachment (and I genuinely think that most people are not gleeful about impeachment, which is a serious, historic, and grave eventuality, but are more relieved that accountability may come to bear to preserve our democratic institutions, and that a president who has operated with absolute lawlesness since day one is finally being told he is not above the law). ANYWAY. I absolutely, positively encourage every American to call their elected officials and tell them how they feel about the impeachment inquiry. I truly mean that. If you feel it is wrong, say so. If you feel it is warranted, say so. You elect your Congress members and Senators to represent you--you elect them based on the principles they assert while campaigning or legislating, but ultimately they are there to represent their constituents. So, say, a Senator is elected in 2012 who is super duper pro 2a, but the gun violence during her or his term has led the voters in that state to support more gun reform, that Senator *should* support more gun reform, or that Senator should be voted out.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 2, 2019 18:51:27 GMT -6
greykitty I also think some will do the right thing with incontrovertible proof in front of them. It just takes time. Watergate wasn't done in a few weeks. Nope - it was far into Nixon's second term. In memory, it seemed like it happened in the matter of a few months, but it was a long, hard process. I know we've discussed this - this whole 24 hour news cycle, twitter dominated repeating of both truth and lies, is not really helping anything, in my mind. So true. And a couple of compounding factors we've discussed: A) The parties weren't as polarized. There were far more moderates in both parties. B) Our echo chambers weren't as insular. There was no cable news and we didn't have self-selected social media only-stuff-I-agree-with-or-I-block-you "information" sources
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Post by elle on Oct 2, 2019 18:57:27 GMT -6
That is really dramatic. How awful for small farms. I’m really worried about my dairy farmer friend :/ I'm so sorry.
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Post by richard on Oct 2, 2019 19:06:23 GMT -6
I'm really a Finn at heart. Crotchety bastards.
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Post by richard on Oct 2, 2019 19:08:08 GMT -6
Hello. I’m mildly drunk at the airport.
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Post by dc2london on Oct 2, 2019 19:17:20 GMT -6
Hello. I’m mildly drunk at the airport. LIving your best life possibly, depending on the circumstances
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Post by richard on Oct 2, 2019 19:26:52 GMT -6
Hello. I’m mildly drunk at the airport. LIving your best life possibly, depending on the circumstances Off to a conference for work. Mostly excited to read a new book in my hotel room alone. With food.
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Post by richard on Oct 2, 2019 19:29:11 GMT -6
There’s no one in my row on the plane yet and I’m trying not to get my hopes up.
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Post by riverrider on Oct 2, 2019 19:37:53 GMT -6
That is really dramatic. How awful for small farms. And it's not just dairy farms that are in trouble. Farmers around here are looking at falling crop prices and lower yields. Trump is basically killling the farming industry. Yep. I can't tell you how many times a day I hear "he needs to stop tweeting". I live in a surprisingly blue area of our county and I would wager only 20% voted for him. I know a lot of people say that the farmers are getting what they asked for when they voted for him but in my area that's not really true.
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Post by jkjacq on Oct 2, 2019 19:47:47 GMT -6
LIving your best life possibly, depending on the circumstances Off to a conference for work. Mostly excited to read a new book in my hotel room alone. With food. Oooohhh this means somebody might be getting fired! I call acting DNI Maguire
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Post by dc2london on Oct 2, 2019 20:19:39 GMT -6
LOLLLLLLLLL Oh I hope the richard meeting curse continues because that just produces more witnesses
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