HBO's The Case Against Adnan Syed

[goldenlove]

We previously had a thread here to discuss the different podcasts. Has anyone been watching this docu-series? I'm more and more convinced that he didn't do it now.

[agm04]

I watched part of the first episode, but I got bored. I'm pretty convinced that he's guilty, as much as I want him to be innocent.

[tinyjoys]

I had forgotten that this was coming out. I'm going to try to find the first episode when I get my girls down for naps/quiet time in a little while.

I am on the fence. Serial had me 60/40 split on guilty/innocent and then I listened to undisclosed and flipped to 40/60 guilty to innocent, so there's definitely reasonable doubt all around.

[notblanche]

I didn't know about this. Will need to watch

[kellykapow]

I watched the first episode but need to catch up on the rest. I go back and forth on whether I think he did it or not. I want to believe he’s innocent, but I just don’t know.

[tinyjoys]

Mar 27, 2019 10:11:53 GMT -6 kellykapow said:

I want to believe he’s innocent, but I just don’t know.

This is kind of where I land. I don't think I'll ever be 100 either way unless he flat out admits to doing it or someone else does.

Mostly, I just want peace for Hae's family. I can't imagine the amount of pain this all brings them.

[elle]

Mar 27, 2019 7:53:32 GMT -6 goldenlove said:

We previously had a thread here to discuss the different podcasts. Has anyone been watching this docu-series? I'm more and more convinced that he didn't do it now.

Keeping in mind I've only watched one episode of the docuseries so many of my impressions and thoughts are from the original podcast and talk during that time. I'm still not entirely convinced that he didn't do it, but I don't think the state proved their case. He didn't do it the way they said he did, though that doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent. A lot of the evidence they relied on (cell phone tower pings for example) wasn't accurate and I also think Jay was pressured/coerced into giving certain details in his testimony.

[goldenlove]

Mar 27, 2019 12:53:16 GMT -6 elle said:

Mar 27, 2019 7:53:32 GMT -6 goldenlove said:

We previously had a thread here to discuss the different podcasts. Has anyone been watching this docu-series? I'm more and more convinced that he didn't do it now.

Keeping in mind I've only watched one episode of the docuseries so many of my impressions and thoughts are from the original podcast and talk during that time. I'm still not entirely convinced that he didn't do it, but I don't think the state proved their case. He didn't do it the way they said he did, though that doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent. A lot of the evidence they relied on (cell phone tower pings for example) wasn't accurate and I also think Jay was pressured/coerced into giving certain details in his testimony.

The Undisclosed podcast really dug deep into the evidence and the show is covering some of that too. The state's case is a mess at this point.

The crazy thing is that his conviction had been vacated and he was granted a new trial. The state appealed of course and on the Friday before the show started, the state won the appeal. I'm guessing they'll address that in the last episode.

[elle]

Mar 27, 2019 13:08:25 GMT -6 goldenlove said:

Mar 27, 2019 12:53:16 GMT -6 elle said:

Keeping in mind I've only watched one episode of the docuseries so many of my impressions and thoughts are from the original podcast and talk during that time. I'm still not entirely convinced that he didn't do it, but I don't think the state proved their case. He didn't do it the way they said he did, though that doesn't necessarily mean he's innocent. A lot of the evidence they relied on (cell phone tower pings for example) wasn't accurate and I also think Jay was pressured/coerced into giving certain details in his testimony.

The Undisclosed podcast really dug deep into the evidence and the show is covering some of that too. The state's case is a mess at this point.

The crazy thing is that his conviction had been vacated and he was granted a new trial. The state appealed of course and on the Friday before the show started, the state won the appeal. I'm guessing they'll address that in the last episode.

Yeah, I listened to a bit of Undisclosed but not all. At the least it seems clear he deserves a new trial.

I am sorry for Hae's family, I can only imagine how torturous this whole process is, especially with all of the publicity.

[Deleted]

Someone I am very close to works for the investigation firm shown in the series. This person believes that he did it but that he didn’t get a fair trial (and therefore shouldn’t have been convicted via that trial).

[thechickencoop]

Ooooh. i didn't know they had a series too. I keep seeing one one pop up on my ID app but I haven't had a chance to watch it. I'll have to check this out too if I get a chance.

I definitely think a lot of the hype died down once the state decided against a new trial so I'm not sure what the point of watching now would be though. 🤷‍♀️

[Yogurt]

I remember thinking Don did it, but I forget why.

[yummeecookee]

I am so baffled by Jay’s stories and testimony. It definitely sounded coerced at some points. I also can’t believe the State’s case was so heavily based on his story. This reeks of Bmore corruption.

In saying that, the fact that he has a story at all makes me wonder about how much he and Adnan were involved in Hae’s murder. I don’t think Jay would’ve come out w the stories if he and Adnan were completely, totally uninvolved.

[elle]

Mar 27, 2019 20:00:50 GMT -6 Yogurt said:

I remember thinking Don did it, but I forget why.

Because his mom was his alibi - she was his manager at the Lenscrafters where he was working that night and Hae had written down in her diary that she was meeting him the night she disappeared.

Doesn't mean he did it, but I don't believe the police took a close enough look at him at the time.

[ttcbabyj]

I’m caught up watching the series. I go back and forth between his guilt and innocence. I’m still just not convinced that Jay is just completely making up the story, as in like he had no involvement. Sometimes I think Jay did it, Adnan or even the guy who found Hae’s body.

[goldenlove]

Mar 27, 2019 23:31:14 GMT -6 ttcbabyj said:

I’m caught up watching the series. I go back and forth between his guilt and innocence. I’m still just not convinced that Jay is just completely making up the story, as in like he had no involvement. Sometimes I think Jay did it, Adnan or even the guy who found Hae’s body.

I'm going to see if I can find it but Undisclosed is doing updates after each episode and the one lawyer listed about 10 cases of young women being abducted/attacked in the same areas that Hae could have been in the same time frame. It's very possible it was someone else completely but they never ran DNA tests to check.

[goldenlove]

Re: Don..
She told her friend as she was leaving school that she was going to see Don. And this friend was the last person to see her alive. It also appears that the time cards to prove he was working that day we're doctored. He had 2 different employee ID numbers for the same time period which isn't how it would happen. This is according to the Truth and Justice podcast. He said he talked to over 20 people who worked at LensCrafters at the time and your employee ID number was the same no matter which store you go to.

I listen to too many podcasts 😬

[tinyjoys]

I was able to watch it all yesterday while my girls either napped or entertained themselves.

Adnan's mom in the third episode said something like she hopes/prays she'll be able to hug her son again, but her heart is broken for Hae's mom because she'll never have that joy again. And that kind of put into words how I felt about how much pain this must bring up for Hae's family. Like yes, he may be innocent, but someone still murdered their daughter/sister/cousin and as far as they're concerned, it is Adnan, as "proven" by the previous trials.

I also do no like Jen Pruscatary or however her name is spelled.

[McBenny]

Mar 28, 2019 8:05:19 GMT -6 tinyjoys said:

I was able to watch it all yesterday while my girls either napped or entertained themselves.

Adnan's mom in the third episode said something like she hopes/prays she'll be able to hug her son again, but her heart is broken for Hae's mom because she'll never have that joy again. And that kind of put into words how I felt about how much pain this must bring up for Hae's family. Like yes, he may be innocent, but someone still murdered their daughter/sister/cousin and as far as they're concerned, it is Adnan, as "proven" by the previous trials.

I also do no like Jen Pruscatary or however her name is spelled.

I was taken with how his sister also kept Hae on mind because if Adnan did not do it then the killer is out there. Among them probably.

[tinyjoys]

Mar 28, 2019 14:26:29 GMT -6 McBenny said:

Mar 28, 2019 8:05:19 GMT -6 tinyjoys said:

I was able to watch it all yesterday while my girls either napped or entertained themselves.

Adnan's mom in the third episode said something like she hopes/prays she'll be able to hug her son again, but her heart is broken for Hae's mom because she'll never have that joy again. And that kind of put into words how I felt about how much pain this must bring up for Hae's family. Like yes, he may be innocent, but someone still murdered their daughter/sister/cousin and as far as they're concerned, it is Adnan, as "proven" by the previous trials.

I also do no like Jen Pruscatary or however her name is spelled.

I was taken with how his sister also kept Hae on mind because if Adnan did not do it then the killer is out there. Among them probably.

I like how although they are fighting for Adnan, they are also making sure it is known that they do believe Hae is the true victim.

[crazydoglady]

Have you guys seen rabia's tweets today?
Don't look for them if you haven't watched the last episode and don't want spoilers.

[elle]

Mar 28, 2019 20:26:54 GMT -6 crazydoglady said:

Have you guys seen rabia's tweets today?
Don't look for them if you haven't watched the last episode and don't want spoilers.

Oh wow wow wow. 

[unicornofthesea]

Mar 28, 2019 20:26:54 GMT -6 crazydoglady said:

Have you guys seen rabia's tweets today?
Don't look for them if you haven't watched the last episode and don't want spoilers.

I want spoilers but no idea who that is lol. I won't be able to watch but want to know what happens

[goldenlove]

Mar 28, 2019 20:26:54 GMT -6 crazydoglady said:

Have you guys seen rabia's tweets today?
Don't look for them if you haven't watched the last episode and don't want spoilers.

Ooo can't wait for Sunday. It is seriously so messed up that the ruling was overturned with all this information out there.

[Sundae]

Bumping this thread. The hearing is today.

[Sundae]

[STP]

Rabia blocked me on twitter bc she said something about how she wanted to take a vacation during Covid and justifying it (like HEIGHT of Covid, think no toilet paper and clapping for first responder time), got mad when people (nicely) said "that's kind of selfish, tbh" and then went on a tirade of posts.

I said, again nicely, hey you need to maybe take a break and think about why this is not a good way to behave.

And she blocked me, lol.

So I can't follow as closely as I would like to all aspects.

Tangent.

I hope he goes free. I don't think he did it and more importantly, it was a shit process from start to finish on the side of LEO/the court.

[McBenny]

This is a case for me that I have always gone back and forth about. That being said, I felt they didn't do a great investigation from the start.

[downwarddog]

One of my friends from HS is at the courthouse. He said there is some conflict over whether there was enough time for Hae's brother to write a victim impact statement, so they are giving him another 30 minutes to join via zoom.

[tinyjoys]

This is a good thread to follow live updates.