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Post by STP on Mar 12, 2019 11:29:44 GMT -6
I think there’s a big difference between the rich that give donations to schools and the rich that are falsifying SAT scores. In terms of criminality, yes. In terms of how much the school factors it into the admissions process...part of the larger argument, to me.
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Post by chickenonsunday on Mar 12, 2019 11:32:37 GMT -6
I think there’s a big difference between the rich that give donations to schools and the rich that are falsifying SAT scores. Plus bribing test officials.
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 11:33:18 GMT -6
I think there’s a big difference between the rich that give donations to schools and the rich that are falsifying SAT scores. In terms of criminality, yes. In terms of how much the school factors it into the admissions process...part of the larger argument, to me. Sure. But the, “I thought rich people always did this!” Argument is kinda not realistic. I know a lot of people that got into schools because their parents were donors, they were legacies, they had a name that carried prominence. Problematic? Sure. But yes it’s been going on since the beginning of time. Parents straight up bribing, having coaches hold a slot for kids that don’t play a sport, faking SAT scores? That’s not the average rich person move. Thats some real risky shit.
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Post by sheilathetank on Mar 12, 2019 11:35:16 GMT -6
this was a thing back when i was applying for colleges. It's not new. Again, i assumed this was always going on. Daddy buys you a car, college, and a new job at a top company. I live in the land of overly rich, white, privileged people so maybe that skews my view. I think the point here is that it's actually being prosecuted. now that i'm surprised about.
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 11:37:36 GMT -6
In my area, every teen has a $20k/year college counselor. Even in my own family. It’s 100% the norm here. I’m well-versed in how far privileged people will go to get their kid into the right school. But, when I hear friends talking about the right college prep moves, bribing SAT officials is most definitely not on the list.
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 12, 2019 11:38:21 GMT -6
Aunt Becky is trending on Twitter.
There are some gems as you can imagine.
But yeah this is not surprising, but very fucked up. I am glad people got caught.
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Post by chickenonsunday on Mar 12, 2019 11:43:09 GMT -6
Just checked the Georgetown website and this guy isn't listed as a coach. They did some fast scrubbing.
“Defendant GORDON ERNST ("ERNST") was a resident of Chevy Chase, Maryland and Falmouth, Massachusetts. Until January 2018, ERNST was employed as the head coach of men's and women's tennis at Georgetown University.
According to court documents, “Between 2012 and 2018, Singer paid ERNST bribes, falsely labeled as "consulting" fees, totaling more than $2.7 million.
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Post by Minerva on Mar 12, 2019 11:44:16 GMT -6
This is so fucked up, but not all that surprising.
Though I am a little surprised that these people went to such long lengths to cheat the system. Give a big donation, endow a scholarship or building, at a lot of private schools and your kid will be treated as a legacy and given a leg up. Their kids must have been rather subpar.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 11:45:24 GMT -6
This is so fucked up, but not all that surprising. Though I am a little surprised that these people went to such long lengths to cheat the system. Give a big donation, endow a scholarship or building, at a lot of private schools and your kid will be treated as a legacy and given a leg up. Their kids must have been rather subpar. Well, it worked out in the end for Billy Madison, so there is hope for them yet.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 11:47:40 GMT -6
oh shoot - $100,000??? i take back what I said re: the coaches not wanting to part with precious scholarships. i am reading the complaint linked in the UCLA article. ETA: so it doesn't look like they even needed to be considered scholarship recipients, just designated on the specific admissions list as a recruited athlete. so in the UCLA example, parents give him $100K (!!!!) to put Preshus on his limited list of "recruited athletes", which have a lower standard of acceptance than your typical applicant for obvious reasons. Wellllllllll I don't think those reasons should be so obvious but that's a different conversation.
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Post by lizblue on Mar 12, 2019 11:49:57 GMT -6
In terms of criminality, yes. In terms of how much the school factors it into the admissions process...part of the larger argument, to me. Sure. But the, “I thought rich people always did this!” Argument is kinda not realistic. I know a lot of people that got into schools because their parents were donors, they were legacies, they had a name that carried prominence. Problematic? Sure. But yes it’s been going on since the beginning of time. Parents straight up bribing, having coaches hold a slot for kids that don’t play a sport, faking SAT scores? That’s not the average rich person move. Thats some real risky shit. And I don't even understand it. Felicity Huffman's kids have plenty of options due to the first part.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 11:53:27 GMT -6
Sure. But the, “I thought rich people always did this!” Argument is kinda not realistic. I know a lot of people that got into schools because their parents were donors, they were legacies, they had a name that carried prominence. Problematic? Sure. But yes it’s been going on since the beginning of time. Parents straight up bribing, having coaches hold a slot for kids that don’t play a sport, faking SAT scores? That’s not the average rich person move. Thats some real risky shit. And I don't even understand it. Felicity Huffman's kids have plenty of options due to the first part. Have some schools changed their rules on this? Maybe they weren't high enough up or giving enough, so they had to find another route.
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Post by whatever on Mar 12, 2019 11:59:47 GMT -6
This is so fucked up, but not all that surprising. Though I am a little surprised that these people went to such long lengths to cheat the system. Give a big donation, endow a scholarship or building, at a lot of private schools and your kid will be treated as a legacy and given a leg up. Their kids must have been rather subpar. Well, it worked out in the end for Billy Madison, so there is hope for them yet. i love that movie!
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Post by shan-ah-doo on Mar 12, 2019 12:00:50 GMT -6
In terms of criminality, yes. In terms of how much the school factors it into the admissions process...part of the larger argument, to me. Sure. But the, “I thought rich people always did this!” Argument is kinda not realistic. I know a lot of people that got into schools because their parents were donors, they were legacies, they had a name that carried prominence. Problematic? Sure. But yes it’s been going on since the beginning of time. Parents straight up bribing, having coaches hold a slot for kids that don’t play a sport, faking SAT scores? That’s not the average rich person move. Thats some real risky shit. There’s rich people and then there’s rich celebrities.
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Post by whatever on Mar 12, 2019 12:01:12 GMT -6
I think there’s a big difference between the rich that give donations to schools and the rich that are falsifying SAT scores. In terms of criminality, yes. In terms of how much the school factors it into the admissions process...part of the larger argument, to me. yup.
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 12:02:29 GMT -6
Sure. But the, “I thought rich people always did this!” Argument is kinda not realistic. I know a lot of people that got into schools because their parents were donors, they were legacies, they had a name that carried prominence. Problematic? Sure. But yes it’s been going on since the beginning of time. Parents straight up bribing, having coaches hold a slot for kids that don’t play a sport, faking SAT scores? That’s not the average rich person move. Thats some real risky shit. There’s rich people and then there’s rich celebrities. Which, as pointed out by Liz, should have an easier time. Universities love some star power.
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Post by shan-ah-doo on Mar 12, 2019 12:03:22 GMT -6
I didn’t see in the article I read, do we know how this all came to the surface?
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Post by gussie on Mar 12, 2019 12:05:51 GMT -6
I don’t think the kids are playing the sports, an article said Lori Laughlin’s girls never rowed before in their lives, they probably can’t just up and join a college team.
Also I’m assuming they aren’t looking for scholarships if their mom can throw $500,000 at the school to get them in. It’s got to be just to get them in the school.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Mar 12, 2019 12:09:39 GMT -6
oh shoot - $100,000??? i take back what I said re: the coaches not wanting to part with precious scholarships. i am reading the complaint linked in the UCLA article. ETA: so it doesn't look like they even needed to be considered scholarship recipients, just designated on the specific admissions list as a recruited athlete. so in the UCLA example, parents give him $100K (!!!!) to put Preshus on his limited list of "recruited athletes", which have a lower standard of acceptance than your typical applicant for obvious reasons. Wellllllllll I don't think those reasons should be so obvious but that's a different conversation. i mean, i think that goes without saying. my point was that i didnt think i needed to go into a detailed explanation.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 12, 2019 12:10:37 GMT -6
I don’t think the kids are playing the sports, an article said Lori Laughlin’s girls never rowed before in their lives, they probably can’t just up and join a college team. Also I’m assuming they aren’t looking for scholarships if their mom can throw $500,000 at the school to get them in. It’s got to be just to get them in the school. Scholarship athletes often have lowered admissions requirements. Some will allow that for any athlete that is actively recruited.
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 12:14:44 GMT -6
I think the most shocking part is that Aunt Becky has $500k to throw around.
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Post by chickenonsunday on Mar 12, 2019 12:15:04 GMT -6
I don’t think the kids are playing the sports, an article said Lori Laughlin’s girls never rowed before in their lives, they probably can’t just up and join a college team. Also I’m assuming they aren’t looking for scholarships if their mom can throw $500,000 at the school to get them in. It’s got to be just to get them in the school. Correct. Athletics has slots to ask for admission for people who otherwise would not be a competitive admit to the school. These rich kids, with the fake scores, were given one of those slots. More than likely you are not going to see their names on the rosters after they were admitted to school.
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 12:17:01 GMT -6
Felicity was arrested. It’s interesting that she was charged and her husband wasn’t.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 12:17:02 GMT -6
I think the most shocking part is that Aunt Becky has $500k to throw around. TIL she is married to Mossimo of the Mossimo fashion brand.
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Post by notblanche on Mar 12, 2019 12:17:19 GMT -6
She's worth $8 million. He's worth $80 million.
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 12:18:01 GMT -6
She's worth $8 million. He's worth $80 million. $8M. Full House money is deep, huh?
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Post by gimmeaQ on Mar 12, 2019 12:19:09 GMT -6
here is a better explanation of the athletic piece:
Jorge is a soccer coach at UCLA Jorge has a total of 9.9 scholarships he can give out to his players Obviously not all players on his team have full scholarships. some do, some have partial and some have nothing. Soccer coaches probably want to average somewhere 5-7 legit players per academic year. Jorge works closely with admissions. many schools like UCLA have departments within Admissions' offices specifically for recruited athletes. Jorge works directly with that sub-department. He provides that Admissions dept. with a list of X# of recruited players. Every coach at UCLA has an allotted number. These recruited athletes have lower admission standards than the general population. i.e. they might get 50% of their recruited athletes in, when the general pop gets in like 10% Jorge received $100K to put someone's kid on this recruited athlete list, despite not being a good soccer player. Admissions allows Rich Kid in because of lower standards. Rich Kid never has to step on a soccer field. Jorge can make up a million excuses for her not playing soccer (injury, decided she didn't want to play, not good enough) No scholarships exchange hands Admissions is none the wiser.
/fin
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Post by ladybrienne on Mar 12, 2019 12:19:43 GMT -6
I think the most shocking part is that Aunt Becky has $500k to throw around. It's all those Hallmark movies she does
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Post by gimmeaQ on Mar 12, 2019 12:19:45 GMT -6
She's worth $8 million. He's worth $80 million. $8M. Full House money is deep, huh? syndication!!
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Post by Cher on Mar 12, 2019 12:20:46 GMT -6
$8M. Full House money is deep, huh? syndication!! I didn’t even think it played anymore. Time and channel, please? I ain’t got shit to do.
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