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Post by sunny75 on Jun 25, 2018 13:13:40 GMT -6
Yogurt,I think if it were me I would take the progesterone. It can't hurt and at least you would be doing something different from your loss cycles. I'm sorry you're dealing with your NP, it doesn't seem like she's been very helpful at all!
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Post by sharebear on Jun 25, 2018 13:36:39 GMT -6
If you were me would you keep taking the progesterone at 3dpo or don't bother? The NP said there is no point, but I don't know if she's right or it "can't hurt". She wants me to wait until/if I get a positive test, then get my levels done, then start taking it if needed. If it truly can't hurt...well you see where I'm going with this. As others have said, I just want to do something different to try to get a viable pregnancy. I would probably just keep on taking it. I'd be too nervous to stop, just in case it is doing something.
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 25, 2018 14:25:01 GMT -6
Oh sunny75, I wish I could hug you! That woukd be extremely hard for me. Love and strength to you if you choose to be there for that party.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 25, 2018 15:33:59 GMT -6
If you were me would you keep taking the progesterone at 3dpo or don't bother? The NP said there is no point, but I don't know if she's right or it "can't hurt". She wants me to wait until/if I get a positive test, then get my levels done, then start taking it if needed. If it truly can't hurt...well you see where I'm going with this. As others have said, I just want to do something different to try to get a viable pregnancy. What were your levels when the RE drew them?
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 25, 2018 15:35:40 GMT -6
If you were me would you keep taking the progesterone at 3dpo or don't bother? The NP said there is no point, but I don't know if she's right or it "can't hurt". She wants me to wait until/if I get a positive test, then get my levels done, then start taking it if needed. If it truly can't hurt...well you see where I'm going with this. As others have said, I just want to do something different to try to get a viable pregnancy. What were your levels when the RE drew them? 13.something on 3dpo I think average is 6-20?
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Post by charliefox on Jun 25, 2018 15:42:04 GMT -6
sunny75, hugs, hopefully the BBQ is fun and you get through it alright.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 25, 2018 15:44:52 GMT -6
What were your levels when the RE drew them? 13.something on 3dpo I think average is 6-20? Oh okay, that looks good. I mean, the progesterone can't be fun (or cheap) but if it makes you feel better then I'd keep doing it. I assume all of the other testing came back normal? Have you had your AMH tested?
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 25, 2018 15:52:20 GMT -6
charliefox is AMH the egg quality? I think thats the one thing I haven't done. The progesterone didnt have literally any ill effects/side effects and was less than $10 for enough to last at least 2 cycles. So maybe I'll take it.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 25, 2018 16:02:33 GMT -6
charliefox is AMH the egg quality? I think thats the one thing I haven't done. The progesterone didnt have literally any ill effects/side effects and was less than $10 for enough to last at least 2 cycles. So maybe I'll take it. Given your age and the two CPs I would think AMH would be an important one. Also, jealous at your progesterone price, mine was $75! Although I didn't end up using it so I'll have it for my IVF cycle.
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 25, 2018 16:12:24 GMT -6
charliefox is AMH the egg quality? I think thats the one thing I haven't done. The progesterone didnt have literally any ill effects/side effects and was less than $10 for enough to last at least 2 cycles. So maybe I'll take it. Given your age and the two CPs I would think AMH would be an important one. Also, jealous at your progesterone price, mine was $75! Although I didn't end up using it so I'll have it for my IVF cycle. I'm going to go back amd check my paperwork. Maybe they did test that. I know the thing where they check if your tubes are open was offered to me and I said why not hold off for now, because the RE thought it wasn't necessary but he could do it for peace of mind. I said yes to everything else.
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 25, 2018 16:59:07 GMT -6
charliefox Tl;dr I have not had it tested, but it seems like I'm already doing a lot of the things the internet says to do to improve low AMH. It does not appear my AMH has been tested. Maybe I will message the RE about getting it done. I looked up some information about AMH, because I wanted to see, well if it is low, then what? This is something I found: DHEA and vitamin D supplementation have a positive impact on egg quality CoQ10 can be added, too, but there is still not a lot of hard data on that. Some recent research correlates low AMH with obesity, but it’s not clear if losing weight would lead to increased AMH. There’s no downside to trying acupuncture and practicing a healthy, organic diet. So... I do take vit D, CoQ10 daily. I'm chubby, but not obese. Always trying to lose weight, but I will try harder I guess. And as my husband being sick is actually a diverticulitis flare up he is really serious about a healthy diet. I will keep reading to see what, if anything can be done in the case of low AMH.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 25, 2018 18:26:16 GMT -6
Yogurt, you seem so on top of it, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to not have an RE you can see close by. Grrrrr, I just really wish you had a doc who knew what they were doing and was truly advocating for you.
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Post by pambee on Jun 25, 2018 18:31:40 GMT -6
sarahh and charliefox that looks like good timing! Fx!! sharebear sorry about the side effects of the clomid. Thursday night should be interesting - but I agree with charliefox, sometimes sneaking around can be fun Yogurt ugh I am sorry you are having such a ridiculous time with this NP. After giving no instructions but calling in the progesterone for you, and then everything today, I would be so so frustrated. And I get it being a just in case....but why would she tell you not to take it?! Ugh. My first reaction is to keep taking the progesterone, because why not, but if your levels weren't low enough that she thinks you "need" it, then I almost wonder if it would skew your progesterone level results when/if you get a positive next time? But at that point I also wouldn't care about skewing that because I'd want to do whatever I could to keep it. So I guess I came full circle and I think personally, I'd just take it, because it can't hurt and it's not expensive, for now. If in a few cycles it still wasn't helping, I would be asking for what to do next. loorin when my doctor suggested/asked if I wanted the full blood panel last week I said yes because I feel the same way. Even if everything comes back "normal" at least I'll know that much. And I need to have as much "control" over this as possible because I feel like I'm spinning out. radiantfate I'm glad your stepmom was supportive and made that easier for you. sunny75 I'm sorry about your sister and her timing. Does she know you've been trying? I'm just sure my cousin (who I'm fairly close with) will be pregnant soon and I've kind of been avoiding her because emotionally I don't want to have to fake excitement. Sending you hugs now and on that day to get through it <3
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 25, 2018 18:33:07 GMT -6
Yogurt, you seem so on top of it, I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to not have an RE you can see close by. Grrrrr, I just really wish you had a doc who knew what they were doing and was truly advocating for you. Aw, thanks girl. So there is an RE about 20 min away. He was lovely and we had an appointment right after the second chemical. He just doesn't think I need him. He told me to come see him if I have another loss or don't get pregnant again soon. I really believes it was just the luck of the draw and so does the NP. If I am not pregnant in like...maybe 3 or 4 more cycles, I will be ringing him up. I did message his office about the AMH, so I'll see what he says. I guess I just really don't want to borrow trouble or look for a problem where there isn't one. At 36 (when I had the cp's) maybe that's just the chance you take? I mean, I'm miserable about it, but hopefully it will just happen soon.
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Post by pambee on Jun 25, 2018 18:37:46 GMT -6
Month/Cycle: 7/3 losses this year
Timing: n/a
CD/DPO: 12/waiting to o
Symptoms: n/a
RRCS: I feel less like I'm losing my mind after my appointment last week, but still conflicted on what to do. Part of me wants to say screw it, try this month and if it doesn't work out then it doesn't work out, because I want to bench myself for the next 3 months after due to (silly) personal timing reasons anyways. And that makes me sad/frustrated that we're at this point and that I have to make that decision. I wish I could just "see what happens" but because my progesterone WAS low I need to start taking that 2 days after ovulation, so I'd have to do that just in case. And I'm not sure when I'll get the results back from my blood work, but I'm pretty sure it won't be before O, which will likely be in the next few days. So just UGH. I just want to be pregnant (duh) and I want all of us to get out of here. *throws glitter in air*
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Post by thechickencoop on Jun 26, 2018 5:58:06 GMT -6
Yogurt, I hope you don't mind me chiming in about testing. You should have CD3 bloodwork done, it checks AMH and a couple other things to predict egg quality. Also, I would do the HSG if it's within your budget and you have a radiologist that your gynecologist can refer you to. It not only will confirm your tubes are open (also if ONE is blocked, partially. Etc) but it can provide some info on the shape of your ute and if there's any obvious abnormalities. Those are both standard initial testing with an RE before treatment. CD3 bloodwork, 7DPO progesterone test, HSG. There's no sense in medicating (if you decide to go that route) or anything to GET pregnant if there's an egg issue. Also, I don't remember, has your H has an SA yet? That would also be like, step 1. I'm glad you're not having and side effects from the progesterone. I was on it for....many, many cycles and the first one I used (premetrum? Maybe? The capsules) was....if. I would keep taking it this cycle at least. Like others said, it can't hurt. {{hugs}}
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 26, 2018 7:48:52 GMT -6
Yogurt, I hope you don't mind me chiming in about testing. You should have CD3 bloodwork done, it checks AMH and a couple other things to predict egg quality. Also, I would do the HSG if it's within your budget and you have a radiologist that your gynecologist can refer you to. It not only will confirm your tubes are open (also if ONE is blocked, partially. Etc) but it can provide some info on the shape of your ute and if there's any obvious abnormalities. Those are both standard initial testing with an RE before treatment. CD3 bloodwork, 7DPO progesterone test, HSG. There's no sense in medicating (if you decide to go that route) or anything to GET pregnant if there's an egg issue. Also, I don't remember, has your H has an SA yet? That would also be like, step 1. I'm glad you're not having and side effects from the progesterone. I was on it for....many, many cycles and the first one I used (premetrum? Maybe? The capsules) was....if. I would keep taking it this cycle at least. Like others said, it can't hurt. {{hugs}} Thank you! I did cd3 bloodwork, after my first 6 months ttc but AMH wasn't on there. This was how i learned my prolactin was very high, I weaned and got pregnant the next cycle (first CP). The stuff checked was: FSH LH DHEA testosterone TSH Prolactin Then later, I think after the second CP: CBC with differential/platelet Comp. Metabolic panel Bun/Creatin Vit D Then on 7dpo after second cp: Phosphatidlethanolamine Phosphatidylglycerol Phosphatidylinositol Phospatidylcholine Phosphadidic acid antibodies Plasminogen activator inhibitor Phosphatidylserine antibody Protime INR PTT Homocysteine Antithrombin 3 panel Cardiolipin antibodies MTHFR Protein c and s panel prothrombin nucleotide gene mutation factor V activity Antiphospholipid panel And my husband had something called male karyotype and I had my progesterone checked. We could explore the sperm analysis and that other test that checks your tubes. The RE did offer it to me, but did say he didnt think there was a reason to do it because I had gotten pregnnat twice between Jan and April. Would tubes have anything to do with losses though? And if there was anything abnormal about the shape of my ute, would that have been noticed during my first pregnancy (mostly full term/healthy preemie dd)? Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am trying to find balance between being proactive and not borrowing trouble.
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Post by charliefox on Jun 26, 2018 9:47:57 GMT -6
Yogurt, I agree that it's most likely your tubes and ute are fine as well as YH's sperm. I'm still pulling for your AMH though
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Post by thechickencoop on Jun 26, 2018 10:34:25 GMT -6
Yogurt, I don't think you're borrowing trouble by getting basic diagnostics done. It's odd that they didn't order the AMH with the other cd3 bloodwork though 🤷♀️ And yes, getting pregnant means that at least one of your tubes is patent but the HSG can check both so to me, it doesn't hurt. Same thing with the SA - if your H has lower counts or motility (I think? I could be wrong) but certain vitamins can help . **tw When we were TTC #2 I had 3 early losses (all less than 6 weeks) and all of my testing came back normal. H's sperm had lower morphology than normal (which apparently is normal in and of itself 🤷♀️) and low counts after they did the washes before our IUIs. So, nothing conclusive but it still took 26 some months + 3 IUIs to get to a successful pregnancy.
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Post by sunny75 on Jun 26, 2018 11:24:58 GMT -6
pambee, Yes exactly, I'm just dreading the whole pretending to be excited thing when I'm so drained emotionally . And yes my sister knows we've been TTC. She found out she is pregnant the same time I found out I'm going to be benched for a while so she waited to tell me. I appreciate that but it still doesn't make it any easier.
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 26, 2018 11:57:33 GMT -6
Look ( charliefox thechickencoop) the RE is going to call it in for me. Would I get this tested on cd 3? Or whenever? Why does no one tell me what to do, lol! Eta, I asked him when to get this tested
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Post by charliefox on Jun 26, 2018 12:17:40 GMT -6
Yogurt, I don't think it matters when AMH is tested. I had mine done at around 7dpo with the other bloodwork.
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 26, 2018 12:25:03 GMT -6
Yogurt, I don't think it matters when AMH is tested. I had mine done at around 7dpo with the other bloodwork. Dang I wish I waited to get yesterday's bloodwork done and I could have done them together.
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Post by thechickencoop on Jun 26, 2018 14:29:34 GMT -6
Look ( charliefox thechickencoop) the RE is going to call it in for me. Would I get this tested on cd 3? Or whenever? Why does no one tell me what to do, lol! Eta, I asked him when to get this tested Awesome. I'm not sure that it has to be done on any certain day, I just know that when they did mine they did it with that particular days blood work. And it's silly that he says it's not a factor in miscarriages. It can help to determine the quality of your eggs, bad quality eggs can certainly be a factor in miscarriages.
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Post by Yogurt on Jun 26, 2018 14:59:15 GMT -6
RE said why not do the sperm analysis too! Sweet. Even if everything is normal (which, obvs, let's hope) at least I'll know.
I'll explore the blocked tube stuff if nothing happens for a few cycles.
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Post by octoberrust on Jun 26, 2018 16:21:15 GMT -6
RE said why not do the sperm analysis too! Sweet. Even if everything is normal (which, obvs, let's hope) at least I'll know. I'll explore the blocked tube stuff if nothing happens for a few cycles. HSG’s can also be considered therapeutic, you can possibly be more fertile for a few cycles after having one done. We learned about it in school (I’m an x ray tech) and my RE also mentioned it. Although I can’t remember the reasoning behind it.
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Post by honda on Jun 27, 2018 14:00:35 GMT -6
Finally got af on Day 50. I hope this cycle is closer to normal. Waiting to O. That's all.
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Post by purple on Jun 27, 2018 15:53:30 GMT -6
Finally got af on Day 50. I hope this cycle is closer to normal. Waiting to O. That's all. Wow, honda. Well done for not going completely insane. I was batshit at the weekend and I only got to CD34! Praying for this cycle to be shorter for you.
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Post by sunny75 on Jun 27, 2018 18:52:18 GMT -6
Finally got af on Day 50. I hope this cycle is closer to normal. Waiting to O. That's all. Yikes! I hope your next cycle is a lot shorter because that must be tough!
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Post by honda on Jun 27, 2018 19:16:04 GMT -6
Finally got af on Day 50. I hope this cycle is closer to normal. Waiting to O. That's all. Yikes! I hope your next cycle is a lot shorter because that must be tough! Thanks! And purple thank you too. It was my first cycle off bcp so I'm sure that was a large contributing factor. I wanted to wait one cycle before we started trying for #3, so we are now trying. Definitely hoping this cycle is closer to normal. I'm so glad I was temping last cycle though because once I could see I finally ovulated I could relax a bit.
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