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Post by euphony on May 20, 2018 6:39:15 GMT -6
McBenny is the public defender of HIH. She doesn't care about the client's guilt or innocence. She cares about giving them due process. It is possible for ripper to be all kinds of a problematic shit stirrer (and even a racist) and still not be the type of person to send a bag of gummy dicks to a black person's work in order to harass them. Why are people so up in arms that McBenny is asking to see the evidence of all the claims being leveled against ripper so that she can access their merit for herself? There is a difference between WKing and refusing to follow a mob. Not for nothing, but for anyone saying they don't need to read the backstory because they take WOC at their word, what are you actually learning? How do you intend to call out behaviour in the future when you aren't willing to put in the time to learn what that behaviour is? You intend to just wait until problematic things are pointed out to you by WOC, then pounce on the offender? I say this as a white person: the desire to not be seen as racist is often so strong it eclipses the desire not to be racist. It leads to a constant barrage of virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. That is probably the biggest barrier to being an "ally". Fuck all of this. White people have been demanding receipts and refusing to believe racism occurred for millennia. Being skeptical of black people who tell you this is happening is the last thing we need. I don't advocate not believing black people. If that is how I sound then I definitely need to shut up. I meant to question if white people want to actually learn or whether they want to learn or whether they are just coming in after the fact to posture.
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Post by Pistol on May 20, 2018 6:42:21 GMT -6
Mcbenny and ripper sitting in a tree. McBenny is the public defender of HIH. She doesn't care about the client's guilt or innocence. She cares about giving them due process. It is possible for ripper to be all kinds of a problematic shit stirrer (and even a racist) and still not be the type of person to send a bag of gummy dicks to a black person's work in order to harass them. Why are people so up in arms that McBenny is asking to see the evidence of all the claims being leveled against ripper so that she can access their merit for herself? There is a difference between WKing and refusing to follow a mob. Not for nothing, but for anyone saying they don't need to read the backstory because they take WOC at their word, what are you actually learning? How do you intend to call out behaviour in the future when you aren't willing to put in the time to learn what that behaviour is? You intend to just wait until problematic things are pointed out to you by WOC, then pounce on the offender? I say this as a white person: the desire to not be seen as racist is often so strong it eclipses the desire not to be racist. It leads to a constant barrage of virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. That is probably the biggest barrier to being an "ally". You had me until the last paragraph. Just because I’m taking a WOC at her word for feeling harassed doesn’t mean I can’t be looking out for problematic behavior. I’m human and won’t even pretend to catch every wrong thing done. If someone says they feel harassed, I will believe them. It’s not up to me to judge whether those feelings are valid or not. They feel them so they are valid.
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Post by sterling on May 20, 2018 6:51:33 GMT -6
I don't advocate not believing black people. If that is how I sound then I definitely need to shut up. I meant to question if white people want to actually learn or whether they want to learn or whether they are just coming in after the fact to posture. Your post read to me like a call for receipts and that people shouldn’t just believe other people when they are called racist (by black women in this specific case). Become a better ally by not believing black women and demanding more information from them. Sounds legit.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 7:05:34 GMT -6
Honestly, I tried to stay on the sidelines with a lot of the ripper stuff. I am still new to the forum scene. Did it seem weird in the beginning? Yeah. But I didn’t have the full history. I knew the story of booby but I didn’t feel like I had the right to connect ripper to that if that makes sense. Shit I’m still getting to know a lot of you.
When this dumpster fire started the other day I went back on GBCN and found posts regarding booby on there that went waaaaay back and they sounded like our ripper and so my feelers went up. Circumstantial yes, but still tough to completely ignore. Then reading the threads on GBCN of those who were harassed and reading their words, I can’t ignore that and I won’t. As far as I’m concerned, going back and dissecting every little thing that went down here is fucking pointless.
I’m just really sorry to the women who were hurt and felt violated.
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Post by Bumblebee on May 20, 2018 7:10:35 GMT -6
The thing is, it feels like McBenny wants to be pointed to a thread wherein Booby says, I don't like Kirklette because she's black. That's not how Boobys brand of racism worked over on GBCN. It was the culumination of 1000 papercuts going back years. McBenny has already been provided with a thread wherein Booby singled out a group of black women and called them scary. But that's not enough evidence. Neither is the word of a group of black women who were witness to the years long relationship. Here's the thread where Booby takes offense to Kirkette correctly self-identifying as a philanthropist. It's important to note there was no mention of Booby scoffing at any of the white women calling themselves affluent of in the 1%. But the second Kirkette threw her hat in the ring Booby went for it. pandce.proboards.com/thread/507958/consider-family-greater-middle-class?page=4
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Post by mack on May 20, 2018 7:21:13 GMT -6
Mcbenny and ripper sitting in a tree. McBenny is the public defender of HIH. She doesn't care about the client's guilt or innocence. She cares about giving them due process. It is possible for ripper to be all kinds of a problematic shit stirrer (and even a racist) and still not be the type of person to send a bag of gummy dicks to a black person's work in order to harass them. Why are people so up in arms that McBenny is asking to see the evidence of all the claims being leveled against ripper so that she can access their merit for herself? There is a difference between WKing and refusing to follow a mob. Not for nothing, but for anyone saying they don't need to read the backstory because they take WOC at their word, what are you actually learning? How do you intend to call out behaviour in the future when you aren't willing to put in the time to learn what that behaviour is? You intend to just wait until problematic things are pointed out to you by WOC, then pounce on the offender? I say this as a white person: the desire to not be seen as racist is often so strong it eclipses the desire not to be racist. It leads to a constant barrage of virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. That is probably the biggest barrier to being an "ally". K so a black women tells me that she feels victimized and as an ally I should question her? No. I should give HER the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by mack on May 20, 2018 7:24:14 GMT -6
I mean I am not an expert but I am pretty sure the problems with race in this country don’t stem from white people giving POC too much benefit of the doubt...
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Post by pobre on May 20, 2018 7:27:53 GMT -6
Mcbenny and ripper sitting in a tree. McBenny is the public defender of HIH. She doesn't care about the client's guilt or innocence. She cares about giving them due process. It is possible for ripper to be all kinds of a problematic shit stirrer (and even a racist) and still not be the type of person to send a bag of gummy dicks to a black person's work in order to harass them. Why are people so up in arms that McBenny is asking to see the evidence of all the claims being leveled against ripper so that she can access their merit for herself? There is a difference between WKing and refusing to follow a mob. Not for nothing, but for anyone saying they don't need to read the backstory because they take WOC at their word, what are you actually learning? How do you intend to call out behaviour in the future when you aren't willing to put in the time to learn what that behaviour is? You intend to just wait until problematic things are pointed out to you by WOC, then pounce on the offender? I say this as a white person: the desire to not be seen as racist is often so strong it eclipses the desire not to be racist. It leads to a constant barrage of virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. That is probably the biggest barrier to being an "ally". TLDR but my post was a joke.
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Post by rayann on May 20, 2018 7:31:17 GMT -6
I am also a black woman and believe when another black woman feels targeted by someone because they are black. I just can’t let that go, so that’s my opinion on this all.
Also an ad for adult gummies showed up on Facebook for me. It was a pic of gummy ducks. I blame this thread.
Edit: LMAO gummy DICKS. I’m leaving ducks tho.
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Post by euphony on May 20, 2018 7:37:33 GMT -6
I don't advocate not believing black people. If that is how I sound then I definitely need to shut up. I meant to question if white people want to actually learn or whether they want to learn or whether they are just coming in after the fact to posture. Your post read to me like a call for receipts and that people shouldn’t just believe other people when they are called racist (by black women in this specific case). I am sorry. I don't think receipts are necessary to believe that this woman felt harassed because of her race. I also don't perceive wanting the information from readily available first hand sources as defending ripper. I will always think there is virtue in gathering as much informatiin on a situation as possible. But any suggestion in my post that we should side against the victim is wrong. No question.
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Post by Minerva on May 20, 2018 7:47:13 GMT -6
I wasn’t trying to gloat. I’m sorry if it came off that way. I’m pretty sure that I was one of the people who people thought were just being petty about ripper earlier. I was explaining why I stopped giving her the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I don’t care that others did so for longer, but when someone makes flippant comments about special needs and neurodiversity, they get a mental post-it from me and I don’t fuck with them anymore because of my personal experiences. Mostly I am just relieved that she has been outed.
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Post by Minerva on May 20, 2018 7:48:15 GMT -6
Gummies are my least favorite type of candy. Yuck.
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Post by misskilljoy on May 20, 2018 8:01:30 GMT -6
Your post read to me like a call for receipts and that people shouldn’t just believe other people when they are called racist (by black women in this specific case). I am sorry. I don't think receipts are necessary to believe that this woman felt harassed because of her race. I also don't perceive wanting the information from readily available first hand sources as defending ripper. I will always think there is virtue in gathering as much informatiin on a situation as possible. But any suggestion in my post that we should side against the victim is wrong. No question. The first hand sources are the black women who are telling you (général you, in that thread that was linked) this shit happened. It happened to them. They are telling their experience. "Gathering more information" is absolutely expecting receipts.
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Post by McBenny on May 20, 2018 8:02:23 GMT -6
McBenny is the public defender of HIH. She doesn't care about the client's guilt or innocence. She cares about giving them due process. It is possible for ripper to be all kinds of a problematic shit stirrer (and even a racist) and still not be the type of person to send a bag of gummy dicks to a black person's work in order to harass them. Why are people so up in arms that McBenny is asking to see the evidence of all the claims being leveled against ripper so that she can access their merit for herself? There is a difference between WKing and refusing to follow a mob. Not for nothing, but for anyone saying they don't need to read the backstory because they take WOC at their word, what are you actually learning? How do you intend to call out behaviour in the future when you aren't willing to put in the time to learn what that behaviour is? You intend to just wait until problematic things are pointed out to you by WOC, then pounce on the offender? I say this as a white person: the desire to not be seen as racist is often so strong it eclipses the desire not to be racist. It leads to a constant barrage of virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. That is probably the biggest barrier to being an "ally". Fuck all of this. White people have been demanding receipts and refusing to believe racism occurred for millennia. Being skeptical of black people who tell you this is happening is the last thing we need. For me this isn't a ripper thing or a black and white thing, four AEs tell me something about someone and I just eat the shit up? Also miss me with this we take woc at their word. It's bullshit. Today the bandwagon is full with race fighters but we just have had recent events where white posters said crazy slick shit and it's excused as bad day and people posting like it's nothing. I am one person. Who cares what I think? You have your racist call out. Go celebrate. I am going to be skeptical whether it's black, brown, white, yellow, red. No fucks given who don't like it at all. No sleep loss.
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Post by euphony on May 20, 2018 8:02:35 GMT -6
I am sorry. I don't think receipts are necessary to believe that this woman felt harassed because of her race. I also don't perceive wanting the information from readily available first hand sources as defending ripper. I will always think there is virtue in gathering as much informatiin on a situation as possible. But any suggestion in my post that we should side against the victim is wrong. No question. ... I think I may be coming off wrong. I am genuine when I say I am sorry for the hurtful implications of what I said. I meant that getting a second hand account of what a WOC felt is not of the same value as reading her actual feelings and seeing what the racist behaviour actually was. I do believe I need to shut up, though. There are people here who express what I want to without coming off as a jackass, so I need to leave it to them.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 8:08:12 GMT -6
Did you guys "know" booby? ETA it makes no difference other than I am curious and never remember GBCN exists I think there are a lot of people that post on both boards or lurk there. And scout was one of those people.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 8:09:32 GMT -6
I’m not intending to be gloating in a “I knew all along way” by rehashing any memories of weird shit ripper did. But just in case it’s coming off that way, I’m going to exit this thread.
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Post by misskilljoy on May 20, 2018 8:13:39 GMT -6
The "taking WOC at their word" thing is why I made it partway through that thread before realizing I really didn't need to read it. A few pages in, it did occur to me that I was only reading looking for "proof" when several women were there telling their experience. It was shitty for me to be expecting more evidence (even when I didn't initially realize that's what I was doing) and I promptly exited the thread.
I feel like I should probably do that here, too, because I have a feeling this isn't coming across how I mean it to.
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Post by McBenny on May 20, 2018 8:24:55 GMT -6
I don't advocate not believing black people. If that is how I sound then I definitely need to shut up. I meant to question if white people want to actually learn or whether they want to learn or whether they are just coming in after the fact to posture. Your post read to me like a call for receipts and that people shouldn’t just believe other people when they are called racist (by black women in this specific case). That's not what she said at all. I think people need to step back and read from the brain and not emotion. She is saying that if white people move solely on word how can they learn moving forward. Do they stand by and have to wait for a WOC to let them know this is ok or this is not? Are we going to learn to move better in the world or learn to posture after the fact?
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Post by McBenny on May 20, 2018 8:28:33 GMT -6
I also feel if this was one of your white friends on the board it wouldn't have been case closed so soon.
Where do I get this from? Actions and behaviors in light of recent events where I feel white posters have said shit similar or not worse than scary. Mild call out maybe happened, poster ghosts, and comes back posting like nothing happened and y'all don't say anything more.
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Post by McBenny on May 20, 2018 8:29:35 GMT -6
Then you also have the group of people that don't see it either but don't feel it's worth speaking up about cause ripper is not their friend and they don't want to appear to not be aligned with black posters.
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Post by McBenny on May 20, 2018 8:30:36 GMT -6
Why y'all woke up with this bullshit and are concerning yourselves with what I think or not? Jesus go get a mimosa.
I wasn't posting about it to anyone.
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Post by lucilleaustero on May 20, 2018 8:37:08 GMT -6
I also feel if this was one of your white friends on the board it wouldn't have been case closed so soon. Where do I get this from? Actions and behaviors in light of recent events where I feel white posters have said shit similar or not worse than scary. Mild call out maybe happened, poster ghosts, and comes back posting like nothing happened and y'all don't say anything more. I agree with this. I didn't read the whole meat thread, but someone posted in there some racist shit and got called out for it in the thread and then it was dropped.
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Post by McBenny on May 20, 2018 8:38:54 GMT -6
I am sorry. I don't think receipts are necessary to believe that this woman felt harassed because of her race. I also don't perceive wanting the information from readily available first hand sources as defending ripper . I will always think there is virtue in gathering as much informatiin on a situation as possible. But any suggestion in my post that we should side against the victim is wrong. No question. The first hand sources are the black women who are telling you (général you, in that thread that was linked) this shit happened. It happened to them. They are telling their experience. "Gathering more information" is absolutely expecting receipts. That's not what happened in that thread.
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Post by Kida on May 20, 2018 8:48:15 GMT -6
Mcbenny and ripper sitting in a tree. McBenny is the public defender of HIH. She doesn't care about the client's guilt or innocence. She cares about giving them due process. It is possible for ripper to be all kinds of a problematic shit stirrer (and even a racist) and still not be the type of person to send a bag of gummy dicks to a black person's work in order to harass them. Why are people so up in arms that McBenny is asking to see the evidence of all the claims being leveled against ripper so that she can access their merit for herself? There is a difference between WKing and refusing to follow a mob. Not for nothing, but for anyone saying they don't need to read the backstory because they take WOC at their word, what are you actually learning? How do you intend to call out behaviour in the future when you aren't willing to put in the time to learn what that behaviour is? You intend to just wait until problematic things are pointed out to you by WOC, then pounce on the offender? I say this as a white person: the desire to not be seen as racist is often so strong it eclipses the desire not to be racist. It leads to a constant barrage of virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. That is probably the biggest barrier to being an "ally". I don't mean this rude whatsoever, and I don't have a problem with it, but I noticed that you're following me and I was just wondering why and also who you are because you only have 30 posts.
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Post by McBenny on May 20, 2018 8:50:19 GMT -6
The thing is, it feels like McBenny wants to be pointed to a thread wherein Booby says, I don't like Kirklette because she's black. That's not how Boobys brand of racism worked over on GBCN. It was the culumination of 1000 papercuts going back years. McBenny has already been provided with a thread wherein Booby singled out a group of black women and called them scary. But that's not enough evidence. Neither is the word of a group of black women who were witness to the years long relationship. Here's the thread where Booby takes offense to Kirkette correctly self-identifying as a philanthropist. It's important to note there was no mention of Booby scoffing at any of the white women calling themselves affluent of in the 1%. But the second Kirkette threw her hat in the ring Booby went for it. pandce.proboards.com/thread/507958/consider-family-greater-middle-class?page=4I know you can't be this dense. Sure beef culminates over time. No shit. How do people on a message board know there is beef between posters? By their posts and words. That's all we have is words. I can link you to fights on thebump, TCF, and here. I was given a thread, sure. I didn't see a singled out attack. I saw her say scary. I saw someone else bring up the microaggression of calling black women scary. Very similar to a conversation we had here. I didn't see booby arguing the point. No, I see other people going back and forth. I see a lot of "booby is an asshole to people but not racist." From that group, who posted with her over time. I think you should also link the thread where that person threatens to shoot someone in the face, jail, and prosecution. I think that would shed some light on why the words scary and crazy were even being thrown around to begin with.
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Post by shan-ah-doo on May 20, 2018 8:52:35 GMT -6
I don't advocate not believing black people. If that is how I sound then I definitely need to shut up. I meant to question if white people want to actually learn or whether they want to learn or whether they are just coming in after the fact to posture. Your post read to me like a call for receipts and that people shouldn’t just believe other people when they are called racist (by black women in this specific case). It read to me as just because the person is black we shouldn’t believe they were targeted. If I’m reading that correctly that’s fucked. If a black woman tells me she feels she was targeted because she’s black im going to believe her. Because fucking history, man. Or am I just reading into what she’s saying? I’ve only had half a cup of coffee so far.
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Post by misskilljoy on May 20, 2018 8:53:49 GMT -6
McBenny is the public defender of HIH. She doesn't care about the client's guilt or innocence. She cares about giving them due process. It is possible for ripper to be all kinds of a problematic shit stirrer (and even a racist) and still not be the type of person to send a bag of gummy dicks to a black person's work in order to harass them. Why are people so up in arms that McBenny is asking to see the evidence of all the claims being leveled against ripper so that she can access their merit for herself? There is a difference between WKing and refusing to follow a mob. Not for nothing, but for anyone saying they don't need to read the backstory because they take WOC at their word, what are you actually learning? How do you intend to call out behaviour in the future when you aren't willing to put in the time to learn what that behaviour is? You intend to just wait until problematic things are pointed out to you by WOC, then pounce on the offender? I say this as a white person: the desire to not be seen as racist is often so strong it eclipses the desire not to be racist. It leads to a constant barrage of virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. That is probably the biggest barrier to being an "ally". I don't mean this rude whatsoever, and I don't have a problem with it, but I noticed that you're following me and I was just wondering why and also who you are because you only have 30 posts. The following thing is what happens with some Tapatalk users when they quote or like something someone else posted. There's an auto-follow setting that needs to be turned off.
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Post by shan-ah-doo on May 20, 2018 8:53:58 GMT -6
So, I guess no one needs to 'do a ripper' and ask for pms on the drama. Tables sure turn huh ripper! Imma sound bitchy but I think you should sit this one out Ms multiple AEs.
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Post by shan-ah-doo on May 20, 2018 8:57:41 GMT -6
Your post read to me like a call for receipts and that people shouldn’t just believe other people when they are called racist (by black women in this specific case). I am sorry. I don't think receipts are necessary to believe that this woman felt harassed because of her race. I also don't perceive wanting the information from readily available first hand sources as defending ripper. I will always think there is virtue in gathering as much informatiin on a situation as possible. But any suggestion in my post that we should side against the victim is wrong. No question. Yes because it’s totally outlandish for someone to be bitter against a successful black woman. That never happens. JFC. You sound like a fool.
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