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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 13:27:18 GMT -6
huh, now this got interesting with Senator Cantwell.
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Post by redbears on Apr 10, 2018 13:40:26 GMT -6
I sort of feel bad for Zucky
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 14:00:53 GMT -6
CNN just broke away First comment was they (the senators) are all over the place, is this about Russia, political ads, peoples data. And part of the problem is most of the senators aren't tech literate.
From the bits I've been able to catch it HAS been all over. I think it would have been better to plan it in chunks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 14:05:31 GMT -6
CNN just broke away First comment was they (the senators) are all over the place, is this about Russia, political ads, peoples data. And part of the problem is most of the senators aren't tech literate. From the bits I've been able to catch it HAS been all over. I think it would have been better to plan it in chunks They aren’t healthcare literate either. But they still try. 🤣
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Post by byjove on Apr 10, 2018 14:06:49 GMT -6
@heartbot, that sounds like an incredibly stressful job!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 14:21:09 GMT -6
Oh. Ted Cruz is an asshole. Shocking.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 14:25:21 GMT -6
someone needs to tell Zuck that the way he says "senator" when he responds sounds snotty.
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Post by jkjacq on Apr 10, 2018 14:27:42 GMT -6
CNN just broke away First comment was they (the senators) are all over the place, is this about Russia, political ads, peoples data. And part of the problem is most of the senators aren't tech literate. From the bits I've been able to catch it HAS been all over. I think it would have been better to plan it in chunks They aren’t healthcare literate either. But they still try. 🤣 One part I did catch was Lindsey Graham reading parts of terms and conditions and then saying "im a lawyer and I dont understand this" I think thats what I heard. then I laughed
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Post by dc2london on Apr 10, 2018 14:42:16 GMT -6
Senator Nelson: Are you considering an ad-free version of Facebook that has a fee associated with it? Zuckerberg: if you don't want third party apps to have access to your stuff, turn off the access. People don't like ads that aren't relevant. People LOVE seeing ads for stuff they want but don't need! If we were to eliminate ads, we would need an entirely different business model. Nelson: Sooooooooo you want me to pay you to not sell my personal info? Zuckerberg: Listen we're just showing you ads to connect you with other people! much friends! Very interpersonal! The only way to turn off the access completely is to never get a facebook account to begin with. And Senator Graham spoke to that a bit bc FB is a monopoly. Take it with it's flaws, or leave it
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 10, 2018 14:50:08 GMT -6
Sorry was driving but was yelling this " Fuck you Ted Cruz. Fuck you all the way off!"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 14:52:52 GMT -6
i don't know man, I know we have a lot of stuff on social media, but when it starts to get compared to medical or financial data, I get a little bewildered. (and yes, I know there is some crossover, but...).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 14:53:38 GMT -6
This doesn't make sense (Senator Fischer's question)
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Post by enchanted on Apr 10, 2018 15:36:14 GMT -6
Orrin Hatch thinks that people are stupid if they are surprised that FB has been selling their information Mark this day down in history. I agree with Orrin Hatch. ETA: Maybe stupid is the wrong word, but supremely naive.
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Post by pbjam on Apr 10, 2018 15:45:45 GMT -6
i don't know man, I know we have a lot of stuff on social media, but when it starts to get compared to medical or financial data, I get a little bewildered. (and yes, I know there is some crossover, but...). Well, for one, people talk about medical issues on social media, may check in at medical facilities on social media. If you've visited any number of medical sites or purchased medical products online, there's a good chance some of that gets carried over to social media via cookies. If you have a medical app that you connect to via a social media account, it likely has access to some of that data. Same for finances. Social media algorithms are also pretty good at guessing what sort of financial shape you're in. Social media likely knows if you're pregnant, if you've been diagnosed with a major medical problem, if you're in regular treatment for a medical condition, etc. long before you share that with anyone and that information can be used for other entities to make critical decisions about you. If it's not handled properly, it's a big deal. Another example I can think about is all the location data stored on people via social media. I worked for a company where this was a thing we were doing, and properly handling all that data was CRITICAL, and some of the biggest instances where it mattered was around minors, famous people, and DV victims. here's the thing though, by putting these things out on the web, no matter how tight knit you think your friend list is, is still opening yourself up to privacy issues. Instead of running into Marge in the supermarket and telling her about your bunion surgery she sees it on your wall if you share it there. You can choose to live without using Facebook and can choose what you share, just like any other interaction.
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Post by pbjam on Apr 10, 2018 15:50:52 GMT -6
I also agree that these senators are all over the place.
I've been catching snippets between running errands. I was yelling back at the radio while Lindsey Graham was one. The whole monopoly argument was just ridiculous.
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Post by elle on Apr 10, 2018 16:14:34 GMT -6
I think the monopoly component is important. Not that the right questions are being asked, of course. Matt Stoller @matthewstoller Apr 9 Facebook *wants* privacy regulations to entrench its monopoly power. This is why the company is orienting towards discussing privacy and protecting your data. Zuckerberg does not want to talk monopoly. Follow. The. Money. Matt Stoller @matthewstoller In response to the scandal, Zuckerberg is going to hand over regulatory power on the use of data for academic research to, and I'm not making this up, the Charles Koch Foundation. Here's the press release from FB about working with various foundations including the Koch Foundation. link
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 16:15:18 GMT -6
i don't know man, I know we have a lot of stuff on social media, but when it starts to get compared to medical or financial data, I get a little bewildered. (and yes, I know there is some crossover, but...). Well, for one, people talk about medical issues on social media, may check in at medical facilities on social media. If you've visited any number of medical sites or purchased medical products online, there's a good chance some of that gets carried over to social media via cookies. If you have a medical app that you connect to via a social media account, it likely has access to some of that data. Same for finances. Social media algorithms are also pretty good at guessing what sort of financial shape you're in. Social media likely knows if you're pregnant, if you've been diagnosed with a major medical problem, if you're in regular treatment for a medical condition, etc. long before you share that with anyone and that information can be used for other entities to make critical decisions about you. If it's not handled properly, it's a big deal. Another example I can think about is all the location data stored on people via social media. I worked for a company where this was a thing we were doing, and properly handling all that data was CRITICAL, and some of the biggest instances where it mattered was around minors, famous people, and DV victims. I think you bring up some good points and some things that I am a bit naive to because 1) my participation on social media and apps is limited and 2) not being in the industry I’m not aware of all the ways things are integrated and sophisticated in 2018. For example, I would never check in somewhere. And if I did, it would be like the most innocent of places. I also wouldn’t discuss a medical issue on FB. But that’s just me and not how a lot of people use social media. And it is more than just don’t use FB these days because with such high rates of participation, people who are not savvy to these uses of data are not aware of what they are participating in. Should the government step in like it does with PHI/health data? Idk. My gut says no, but I guess this is what this is all about. Food for thought.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Apr 10, 2018 16:56:09 GMT -6
I am much less concerned with the fact of the collection and use of my data for advertising than I am with Facebook’s complete disinterest in monitoring how their microtargeting advertising algorithms are being used.
Like, I am fully aware that when I post an IG photo of my kid getting stitches and I tag it at the local hospital, it’s not just making that information available to my friends, that is also getting filed away as information about me and my family that can be used to target advertising. I work in retail technology. I get it.
I want to know more about why Facebook was just totally cool with completely fake news stories being spread far and wide and trolls using their advertising segmenting tools to target the most susceptible people to a particular story. It’s not like this came out of nowhere and happened overnight. It went on for a LONG time and like @heartbot’s friend’s story, I do not believe that it was not internally known. I know people who work at FB. I fully believe the attitude there is still that if people are dumb enough to fall for that sort of thing then they deserve what they get.
I guess what I am saying is, take my data, create marketing algorithms for targeted campaigns. Where I’d like to see the regulation is around how the use of those platforms must be moitored for abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:07:51 GMT -6
Yes, I think that’s the real story here. Ok cool, I gave you my data, FB. I gave it to you and your advertisers. And I know that.
But why didn’t you know everyone who was pulling it and for what purposes and for how long? And, I don’t believe that you didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:09:06 GMT -6
What a weird day. What a weird world we live in now.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Apr 10, 2018 17:16:34 GMT -6
Yes, I think that’s the real story here. Ok cool, I gave you my data, FB. I gave it to you and your advertisers. And I know that. But why didn’t you know everyone who was pulling it and for what purposes and for how long? And, I don’t believe that you didn’t. Exactly. Much more succinct than how I put it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2018 17:50:06 GMT -6
I missed the whole thing but I'm here with the really important online content.
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Post by mathrun on Apr 10, 2018 18:17:50 GMT -6
Life insurance companies are literally starting to put more weight on credit scores and driving records and less weight on blood draws and other medical statistics in the underwriting process, in the name of speedy issuance. At this point they need your permission to pull that data. You can still out for traditional underwriting, but at some point they could say that is the only way to issue a policy.
I realize this is tinfoil hat, shirt, and pants territory, but I would not be shocked to hear that some "Christian values" company uses data mined "marketing data" to not hire someone who bought a pregnancy test and then google abortion clinic. Or what if health insurance companies get away with charging more to people who discussed their desire to have a child with friends on FB before they bought insurance for the year?
This is important from more than just a marketing or even privacy standpoint. AI, big data, etc. capabilities are exploding right now. Regulation has to keep up or consumers will get screwed.
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Post by redbears on Apr 10, 2018 20:27:22 GMT -6
@heartbot thank you for explaining this in a way that actually makes sense. Marge.
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Post by 100poppies on Apr 11, 2018 5:10:16 GMT -6
@heartbot—thanks for the great explanation!
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 11, 2018 8:05:24 GMT -6
Next session starting. They want to know what kind of company they are. I can tell you in the list they gave, Facebook, is only like 1 or 2 of those listed.
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 11, 2018 8:15:43 GMT -6
Pretty sure he just read the same statement from yesterday.
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 11, 2018 8:34:29 GMT -6
Chairman continues to misunderstand what kind of business Facebook is.
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Post by JukEboX on Apr 11, 2018 9:07:32 GMT -6
Democrats ask pointed and valid questions. Republicans asking my Diamond and Silk is blocked on facebook and why conservatives views are being censored.
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Post by CurlieWhirlie on Apr 11, 2018 9:50:58 GMT -6
This is frustrating me so much.
Stop asking questions about data collection, you fucking relics!
Someone please question him about Facebook’s responsibility to monitor their platform for patterns of abuse. Jesus!
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