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Post by mack on Mar 31, 2018 11:43:09 GMT -6
Don is the biggest thing for me. His alibi was his mom wasn’t it? Shady. YES WHAT ABOUT DON
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Post by tinyjoys on Mar 31, 2018 11:43:55 GMT -6
*adds Undisclosed to list* Do you have the name of the other one, too, joy ? I'm curious. I do not. I heard about it over on GbCN recently. Undisclosed is dense - fair warning. I listened to the first episode (Adnan's day), addendum & started episode 2 (Hae's day) in the car and I almost like it more than Serial, I think. I think they're answering all the things that had me on the fence following Serial.
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Post by joy on Mar 31, 2018 11:50:49 GMT -6
I do not. I heard about it over on GbCN recently. Undisclosed is dense - fair warning. I listened to the first episode (Adnan's day), addendum & started episode 2 (Hae's day) in the car and I almost like it more than Serial, I think. I think they're answering all the things that had me on the fence following Serial. Serial took the prosecution’s timeline as fact and stuck to proving/disproving that it could have happened. Their starting point and point of view was that the timeline was reality and went from there. Undisclosed goes one step backwards and says “the prosection’s timeline is fiction for the trial. What facts are there about that day? Undisclosed does have the Rabia bias, though.
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Post by tinyjoys on Mar 31, 2018 11:53:32 GMT -6
joy , I found the Don podcast. It was linked on the GBCN thread. I'm not sure if he has a whole series on Adnan/Hae or just the episode, but audioboom.com/posts/3810219-ep-129-the-case-against-donAlso, I like that Rabia disclosed her bias from the beginning, though. But, she also brought in two unbiased co... investigators? lawyers?, so that makes me happy. But again, they're answering (so far) the things I questioned during/after Serial. I'm still on the fence, though.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Mar 31, 2018 12:29:47 GMT -6
Don is the biggest thing for me. His alibi was his mom wasn’t it? Shady. The alibi wasn't from his mom but it was shady He hadn't been paid any overtime and he was supposedly working at a different store for the overtime he had never worked at the store before and it was not reflected on the time card Or something It was one of the things that I was truly like how could the investigators not have looked into that more In my mind his mom was the store owner or something. I think that’s wrong. It’s been a long time.
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Post by joy on Mar 31, 2018 13:25:59 GMT -6
joy , I found the Don podcast. It was linked on the GBCN thread. I'm not sure if he has a whole series on Adnan/Hae or just the episode, but audioboom.com/posts/3810219-ep-129-the-case-against-donAlso, I like that Rabia disclosed her bias from the beginning, though. But, she also brought in two unbiased co... investigators? lawyers?, so that makes me happy. But again, they're answering (so far) the things I questioned during/after Serial. I'm still on the fence, though. I agree!! And thank you!
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Post by crazydoglady on Apr 4, 2018 7:00:10 GMT -6
There is a new undisclosed podcast detailing the decision
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Post by Foxy on Apr 4, 2018 12:31:24 GMT -6
Yes! Bob Ruff had a whole series investigating Hae's case. It was really interesting. That sealed the deal for me that Don was guilty. His podcast is truth & justice with Bob Ruff. His podcast looked into solving the case and not necessarily the people from serial which led to Don. I highly recommend it
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Post by euphony on Apr 7, 2018 13:07:40 GMT -6
The alibi wasn't from his mom but it was shady He hadn't been paid any overtime and he was supposedly working at a different store for the overtime he had never worked at the store before and it was not reflected on the time card Or something It was one of the things that I was truly like how could the investigators not have looked into that more In my mind his mom was the store owner or something. I think that’s wrong. It’s been a long time. Dude, it was so much worse. His Mom was the manager of one of the two Lens Crafters he was working at. We knew that from Serial. But the manager of the other one where he was supposedly working that day? was his stepmom/mother's partner. The time cards show evidence of tampering that only a manager could do and both managers had reason to do it. Don is so goddamn sketchy. Boyfriends (current or ex) are almost always the killers and I would bet my life Adnan didn't do it. ETA- None of the stepmom stuff was known to the police at the time. That only came out very recently. I seem to recall even the mom stuff wasn't found out until after they had already dismissed Don as a suspect.
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Post by joy on Apr 7, 2018 17:20:41 GMT -6
I need a motive for Don to kill Hae. Help.
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Post by reginaphalange8 on Apr 7, 2018 17:34:01 GMT -6
I need a motive for Don to kill Hae. Help. I think most of the time there's no 'good' reason. Didn't they think Adnan killed Hae because she broke up with him? Maybe Hae was going to break up with Don. Maybe She said something he didn't like. Maybe he was abusive. It could literally be anything and it's most likely unsatisfying.
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Post by euphony on Apr 7, 2018 18:00:39 GMT -6
I need a motive for Don to kill Hae. Help. It was about two years ago that I fell down this particular rabbit hole, but I remember there being a journal entry Hae wrote close to her murder that indicated she might have lost interest in Don and was thinking of getting back together with Adnan. Her and Adnan were sort of on again off again, I seem to recall. She was referencing missing her "baby" which is how she always referred to Adnan. I may be off about the details, but I would say it was as simple as a break up gone wrong. The same motive they used on Adnan, but in Don's case a legit crime of passion whereas they tried to make Adnan's a premeditated murder weeks after what was by all accounts an amicable break up.
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Post by Radley on Apr 7, 2018 19:01:51 GMT -6
Now I really need to listen to the podcast(s?) that delve into Don. I thought he sounded suspicious before. I’m still not certain where I land on Jay, but Don wasn’t nearly investigated into enough.
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Post by leatherpants on Apr 7, 2018 19:24:40 GMT -6
So for the Don theory, how do they e plain that Jay knows where Hae’s car is. That’s always been the sticking point for me
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Post by Radley on Apr 7, 2018 20:02:21 GMT -6
So for the Don theory, how do they e plain that Jay knows where Hae’s car is. That’s always been the sticking point for me According to Undisclosed (if I am remembering correctly), they believe that the police already knew where the vehicle was and fed the information to Jay.
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Post by euphony on Apr 7, 2018 20:14:13 GMT -6
Cops fed it to him, perhaps? I can't recall all the details of the Jay stuff, but the general gist is there was a lot of very shady stuff on the law enforcement side of all this. There is audio of of Jay's deposition. There is a tapping sound every time Jay says the "wrong" thing followed by Jay correcting his story. Jay's story conveniently morphs every time new evidence is discovered. The police made up their minds that Adnan did it and were manufacturing evidence to get the conviction. Jay was being strong-armed so he could personally avoid drug charges, if I remember the theory correctly. He didn't actually know or have anything to do with Hae's murder. He was in a bad spot and threw Adnan to the wolves to save himself.
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Post by crazydoglady on Apr 7, 2018 20:55:00 GMT -6
I am listening to the Bob ruff podcast and just remembering how crazy this all really is. How the investigators are shady as shit.
The Jay stuff is just so fascinating. If he didn't have anything to do with it (which I think is within the realm of possibility) the police sue did a number on him and made him look like the biggest liar on the planet. It's the Jen stuff that throws me for a loop.
I don't know how to feel and I just really need someone to confess other than Jay so I know what really happened. (Obviously this is all about me)
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Post by crazydoglady on Apr 7, 2018 20:57:36 GMT -6
Now I really need to listen to the podcast(s?) that delve into Don. I thought he sounded suspicious before. I’m still not certain where I land on Jay, but Don wasn’t nearly investigated into enough. If you're going to listen to the ones mentioned earlier I would definitely skip the first 4-5 episodes There is a lot of rambling
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Post by Radley on Apr 7, 2018 21:59:25 GMT -6
Now I really need to listen to the podcast(s?) that delve into Don. I thought he sounded suspicious before. I’m still not certain where I land on Jay, but Don wasn’t nearly investigated into enough. If you're going to listen to the ones mentioned earlier I would definitely skip the first 4-5 episodes There is a lot of rambling Oh good to know, thanks!
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Post by reginaphalange8 on Apr 8, 2018 5:48:45 GMT -6
So for the Don theory, how do they e plain that Jay knows where Hae’s car is. That’s always been the sticking point for me I can't remember the details exactly but it was something like the grass under the car was green. If the car had been there for weeks/months then it would't have been green. Theory being the police knew where it was and potentially moved it to a place Jay would have driven by. They talk about it in Undisclosed.
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Post by euphony on Apr 8, 2018 6:26:35 GMT -6
The thing about it is, you listen to Serial and nothing about this case makes sense. Not Adnan's motive, not Jay's story... Nothing. You listen to Undisclosed and Bob Ruff and there emerges a theory of the crime that makes perfect sense. There is strong reason to believe Don's alibi is bullshit. His timecard was not entered under his current employee id number. He actually would not have been able to have used the old outdated id number. That is a manager override. The managers who could have done this are his mother and stepmother.
Adnan was a young Muslim man and an ex boyfriend. They decided it was him and didn't look closely into Don's alibi. They doctored the evidence and fed Jay a story. They had him change that story everyone new evidence contradicted the old story. It all made so much more sense when you just stop assuming the police and prosecutors are on the level. They trapped Jay (a black man) and used him to trap Adnan (a brown, Muslim man). Don, "nice" white boy, got away with murder.
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Post by goldenlove on Apr 9, 2018 13:51:15 GMT -6
I've listened to Serial, Undisclosed and Truth & Justice and I definiately agree with the above. I don't think Adnan did it and I don't think Jay was involved. Don and the timecard is shady. It's also frustrating that there's so many people who only listened to Serial who don't have the bigger story.
I'm glad Adnan is getting a new trial. From my "expert" opinion (as a podcast listener), I don't see how the state has a case anymore. There is also this bombshell they keep talking about on Undisclosed that I can't wait to hear about.
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Post by willow on Apr 9, 2018 14:19:17 GMT -6
I only have listened to Serial, but I want to listen to the others now. I was still left with the gut feeling that Adnan was set up.
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Post by goldenlove on Apr 12, 2018 8:24:10 GMT -6
Crime Junkie has an episode about everything Serial didn't tell you. It's only 40 minutes. I just started it.
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