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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 8:41:10 GMT -6
And quite honestly, I am at the point now where I DGAF about the money you may be out. An AR-15 has no fucking place in a civilian's hands, period. Give it up, be an adult, and move the fuck on with your life. That's great, and I can understand that. My point is though most of the people that have the guns will not do this. So, because some may not do this, what is your suggestion? Should we not do it at all? And continue to just say "welp we're fucked sorry."
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Post by kitchen on Feb 20, 2018 8:42:10 GMT -6
The rush to buy guns at the scent of any potential restriction doesn't scream to me "these people are hurting and need their investment protected."
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Post by anastasia on Feb 20, 2018 8:45:16 GMT -6
Massachusetts told people to surrender their bump stocks, or else. No buyback, no nothing. I heard grumbling, but I don't think there were any issues.
I get that a bump stock is not as expensive and not as many people have one, but still. Also it's Massachusetts.
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Post by kitchen on Feb 20, 2018 8:46:31 GMT -6
Massachusetts told people to surrender their bump stocks, or else. No buyback, no nothing. I heard grumbling, but I don't think there were any issues. I get that a bump stock is not as expensive and not as many people have one, but still. Also it's Massachusetts. People probably just took them to NH, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 8:46:40 GMT -6
@dazedandconfused I am not trying to be a dick, I get it, there will be blowback. But there will also be (and already have been) people who will be willing to give them up to save a human life.
Inaction has gotten us nowhere to this point, and people are still dying. We need to start somewhere on multiple fronts.
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Post by anastasia on Feb 20, 2018 8:46:59 GMT -6
It won't solve the immediate problem of too many currently out there, but the absolute least we could do is stop their sale in future.
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Post by anastasia on Feb 20, 2018 8:50:26 GMT -6
Massachusetts told people to surrender their bump stocks, or else. No buyback, no nothing. I heard grumbling, but I don't think there were any issues. I get that a bump stock is not as expensive and not as many people have one, but still. Also it's Massachusetts. People probably just took them to NH, right? I have no idea actually. I'm not really in with the gun community, but I do live in a pretty red area of the state and DH does have guns. Every gun owner got a letter. DH kind of shrugged and said he doesn't think many people own them anyways. A guy posted on the Facebook page of the town I teach that it wasn't fair they got no compensation. But he also said he didn't have one or know anyone who did. People liked the post. |
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Post by anastasia on Feb 20, 2018 8:55:59 GMT -6
This is timely. Look what I just opened up Facebook to: That's probably not going to work. I'll go on tapa and put in a screenshot. |
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Post by anastasia on Feb 20, 2018 8:57:42 GMT -6
The text above the video shows a quote of a gun owner saying something about at least I know this weapon will never hurt anyone. Guess she's not too concerned about her investment. Or values human life more.
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Post by mb3 on Feb 20, 2018 9:02:04 GMT -6
People lost quite a bit of money when they weren’t allowed to own other people anymore. Not only did the people they had purchased go free without compensation, but they also then had to hire someone to do the work instead.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 20, 2018 9:02:41 GMT -6
People probably just took them to NH, right? I have no idea actually. I'm not really in with the gun community, but I do live in a pretty red area of the state and DH does have guns. Every gun owner got a letter. DH kind of shrugged and said he doesn't think many people own them anyways. A guy posted on the Facebook page of the town I teach that it wasn't fair they got no compensation. But he also said he didn't have one or know anyone who did. People liked the post. Whats the compensation for 20 kindergartners, or 14 freshmen and sophomores? How about the people at a concert? Where is their compensation? I mean I get the 'gun community' I live it. But I'm done, completely utterly DONE. I'm done with mealy mouthed comments like but its my right, I spent a lot of money, I want to protect my family, the gun is a tool its a mental health problem. Thats all complete bullshit. And its a tired over worked argument. Your 'right' to own something that the founding fathers had zero idea would ever exist so you can go shoot rockchucks in the field AT NO POINT EVER supersedes MY right, or MY childrens right to a safe school. Period end of story. |
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Post by mb3 on Feb 20, 2018 9:04:09 GMT -6
I have no idea actually. I'm not really in with the gun community, but I do live in a pretty red area of the state and DH does have guns. Every gun owner got a letter. DH kind of shrugged and said he doesn't think many people own them anyways. A guy posted on the Facebook page of the town I teach that it wasn't fair they got no compensation. But he also said he didn't have one or know anyone who did. People liked the post. Whats the compensation for 20 kindergartners, or 14 freshmen and sophomores? How about the people at a concert? Where is their compensation? I mean I get the 'gun community' I live it. But I'm done, completely utterly DONE. I'm done with mealy mouthed comments like but its my right, I spent a lot of money, I want to protect my family, the gun is a tool its a mental health problem. Thats all complete bullshit. And its a tired over worked argument. Your 'right' to own something that the founding fathers had zero idea would ever exist so you can go shoot rockchucks in the field AT NO POINT EVER supersedes MY right, or MY childrens right to a safe school. Period end of story. Preach my friend. |
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Post by kitchen on Feb 20, 2018 9:04:18 GMT -6
The text above the video shows a quote of a gun owner saying something about at least I know this weapon will never hurt anyone. Guess she's not too concerned about her investment. Or values human life more. This is another reason why we need super strict insurance requirements, so people have a financial incentive to prevent their gun from being used improperly. |
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Post by mb3 on Feb 20, 2018 9:06:18 GMT -6
The text above the video shows a quote of a gun owner saying something about at least I know this weapon will never hurt anyone. Guess she's not too concerned about her investment. Or values human life more. This is another reason why we need super strict insurance requirements, so people have a financial incentive to prevent their gun from being used improperly. I mean, are people even asked that on homeowners insurance stuff? We weren’t. We were asked if we had a pool or a trampoline, and that’s it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 9:08:08 GMT -6
That's great, and I can understand that. My point is though most of the people that have the guns will not do this. So, because some may not do this, what is your suggestion? Should we not do it at all? And continue to just say "welp we're fucked sorry."
No, I'm basically saying the opposite. As one of the things that is done is to consider the financial piece as well. It is an incentive. |
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Post by kitchen on Feb 20, 2018 9:08:54 GMT -6
Yesterday someone posted something on FB that took my breath away: "kids with disabilities were left behind during the recent evacuations." There was no cite for it, but I don't doubt it for one second that a segregated program like the one my daughter attends could end up inadvertently forgotten in an emergency.
And then I thought about the drills people have talked about and how my kid can't follow instructions or be quiet and I literally have to remind myself to breathe when I think about it.
So yeah. 21st century awesome, amirite?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 9:09:43 GMT -6
Massachusetts told people to surrender their bump stocks, or else. No buyback, no nothing. I heard grumbling, but I don't think there were any issues. I get that a bump stock is not as expensive and not as many people have one, but still. Also it's Massachusetts. Actually, there is a lawsuit in the works because it may this may not have been legal. I live in MA and DH got the letter (but has never had any bump stocks to it didn't matter). |
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Post by kitchen on Feb 20, 2018 9:12:02 GMT -6
Massachusetts told people to surrender their bump stocks, or else. No buyback, no nothing. I heard grumbling, but I don't think there were any issues. I get that a bump stock is not as expensive and not as many people have one, but still. Also it's Massachusetts. Actually, there is a lawsuit in the works because it may this may not have been legal. I live in MA and DH got the letter (but has never had any bump stocks to it didn't matter). The NRA always funds legal challenges to gun restrictions tbough... Isn't that part of the problem? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 9:12:15 GMT -6
The text above the video shows a quote of a gun owner saying something about at least I know this weapon will never hurt anyone. Guess she's not too concerned about her investment. Or values human life more. This is another reason why we need super strict insurance requirements, so people have a financial incentive to prevent their gun from being used improperly. I agree that this is reasonable. |
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Post by kitchen on Feb 20, 2018 9:15:00 GMT -6
This is another reason why we need super strict insurance requirements, so people have a financial incentive to prevent their gun from being used improperly. I mean, are people even asked that on homeowners insurance stuff? We weren’t. We were asked if we had a pool or a trampoline, and that’s it. They should be asked. Probably not though due to some law the NRA helped pass or stature they sued to produce. (Total rampant speculation on my part) |
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Post by morecoffeeplease on Feb 20, 2018 9:17:17 GMT -6
It may be a glitch, but it appears Trump blocked Kyle Griffin-his retweeted aren't showing. What a snowflake.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 20, 2018 9:20:24 GMT -6
Yesterday someone posted something on FB that took my breath away: "kids with disabilities were left behind during the recent evacuations." There was no cite for it, but I don't doubt it for one second that a segregated program like the one my daughter attends could end up inadvertently forgotten in an emergency. And then I thought about the drills people have talked about and how my kid can't follow instructions or be quiet and I literally have to remind myself to breathe when I think about it. So yeah. 21st century awesome, amirite? there was one shot of about 10 kids walking out with their hands on the person in front shoulders. I would bet that was a SN class. That hit me hard as well. (all the other kids were walking out with hands in the air). Having had a kid who was pretty high functioning but still in sped classes I understand your worry. And I'm sorry you have that weight on your shoulders  |
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Post by cnf on Feb 20, 2018 9:34:25 GMT -6
I looked at this earlier and raged out over John fucking Katko. You were surprised? He's such a vile piece of crap. |
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Post by Minerva on Feb 20, 2018 9:45:07 GMT -6
Orrrrrrr... some gun owners might just decide to eat the loss for the good of society. I'm not saying that turning in guns for no $ should be mandatory, ftr. I'm willing to be that the amount of gun owners financially able to take such a loss is minimal and the $50 buy back programs are a joke. If you can afford to purchase an AR that has no purposes other than target shooting and killing people, I think you can afford to use a buyback program. These are purely recreational weapons. The car analogy is lame because in many areas cars are not optional. You need them to buy food and get to work. |
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Post by cnf on Feb 20, 2018 9:52:00 GMT -6
I hate this bullshit about making schools safer with things designed to keep guns out, but not actually limit the fucking guns. The school community we try to build where students feel free, safe, happy, and ready to learn should not have to become a prison so you can avoid dealing with the actual issue. This. I teach in a district that has SRO in every building. Metal detectors and wandings for every person walking through the doors. And guess what? There was a fucking stabbing last spring. Not a gun, but it goes to show that these measures are not fool proof. We need more. And if a student managed to get a knife in, someone can definitely get in with a gun, despite our in house measurements to keep them out. 12 years ago when I decided to become a teacher, active shooter training wasn't a yearly PD requirement. Potentially having to take a bullet was not part of the job description. I'm angry that that is my reality now. For myself and for my fellow teachers and for my students. It's unfair. No civilian needs an AR15. None. Period. |
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Post by dc2london on Feb 20, 2018 9:57:44 GMT -6
People lost quite a bit of money when they weren’t allowed to own other people anymore. Not only did the people they had purchased go free without compensation, but they also then had to hire someone to do the work instead. Ftmfw |
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Post by Minerva on Feb 20, 2018 10:05:32 GMT -6
Yesterday someone posted something on FB that took my breath away: "kids with disabilities were left behind during the recent evacuations." There was no cite for it, but I don't doubt it for one second that a segregated program like the one my daughter attends could end up inadvertently forgotten in an emergency. And then I thought about the drills people have talked about and how my kid can't follow instructions or be quiet and I literally have to remind myself to breathe when I think about it. So yeah. 21st century awesome, amirite? I am right there with you. I talked to DS’s teacher more about their drills. In the preschool sped classes, they give them a snack and read a story in the corner of the room to keep them quiet. There are a few kids in DS’s class who use wheel chairs or walkers and others (including DS) who really struggle to follow directions, especially in hectic or loud situations. I can’t think too much about it without having my anxiety go through the roof. |
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Post by dc2london on Feb 20, 2018 10:10:29 GMT -6
Ohhh this looks bad for Betsey DeVos
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Post by euphony on Feb 20, 2018 10:21:13 GMT -6
Orrrrrrr... some gun owners might just decide to eat the loss for the good of society. I'm not saying that turning in guns for no $ should be mandatory, ftr. I'm willing to be that the amount of gun owners financially able to take such a loss is minimal and the $50 buy back programs are a joke. I'm sorry, my friend, but your logic makes no sense. Given that these weapons are in no way useful, and thus in no way need to be replaced, the financial loss was taken when they were purchased. Your family was already out that 6K. Your husband had a right to choose to sell them, but let's not pretend gun owners can afford to take the loss. I agree that many won't. But the choice to sell them to someone else is a hollow gesture. |
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Post by Dr. Cox on Feb 20, 2018 10:26:19 GMT -6
I’ve been trying so hard since the beginning to keep up with and understand all of the Russian interference info coming out and I just can’t. FFTC? I feel like I’m not that dense but I need a room full of flow charts, pictures, and copious amounts of coffee. Anytime something new breaks, this is me.  |
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