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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 9:53:14 GMT -6
I am trying to be a calming presence today. Let me know if I should continue or shut my face. Lolzzzzz I've clearly been reading too many twitter conspiracies. Today one of my long-time follows was like, "Pompeo is working with Russian intelligence to rig the mid-term elections" and while the rational part of me is like 🤔, the part of me that is hopped up on anxiety (mostly unrelated to politics, though the political situation isn't helping) is all 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱. Even though I know that's a fucking stretch. Or I hope it is. IDK, I haven't been sleeping this week b/c I'm so stressed out about 20 other things. I appreciate the calming presence. Time for margaritas this weekend, @heartbot.
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Post by enchanted on Feb 2, 2018 9:58:34 GMT -6
I honestly believe that this memo being released is going to blow up in Trump's stupid idiot face. People he picked to have at the DOJ and the FBI are telling him, do not do this. He is going against them. If he fires Rosenstein and then Mueller gets sacked, he is fucked sooner than I originally thought quite honestly. I don't want those things to happen that way because the investigation needs to run its full natural course, but if he does this, he is putting his Presidency in real peril. I want to believe this, but that's only true if the GOP does something, which they won't. Will it help is the midterms? Sure, but those are still eight months away and the new Congress won't be seated until next January. That's a hell of a lot of time for 45 and the current make up of Congress to fuck us all.
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Post by pesto on Feb 2, 2018 10:00:49 GMT -6
I'm more worried about Rosenstein than Wray, and maybe I'm off-base, but Rosenstein seems more important at this point. If Mueller abides by the "sitting presidents can't be indicted" rule then all of this rests on Rosenstein. I think he's definitely the more important person right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 10:06:11 GMT -6
I am trying to be a calming presence today. Let me know if I should continue or shut my face. Lolzzzzz I've clearly been reading too many twitter conspiracies. Today one of my long-time follows was like, "Pompeo is working with Russian intelligence to rig the mid-term elections" and while the rational part of me is like 🤔, the part of me that is hopped up on anxiety (mostly unrelated to politics, though the political situation isn't helping) is all 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱. Even though I know that's a fucking stretch. Or I hope it is. IDK, I haven't been sleeping this week b/c I'm so stressed out about 20 other things. I appreciate the calming presence. Step away from the Twitter!!! Lol.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 10:11:52 GMT -6
If Mueller abides by the "sitting presidents can't be indicted" rule then all of this rests on Rosenstein. I think he's definitely the more important person right now. I still don't understand the "president can't be indicted" thing. Read somewhere this morning where someone referred to Trump as the "highest LEO in the country" and I'm like...if a LEO anywhere else does something illegal (theoretically anyhow, if not always in practice), they get fired & put on trial. Why wouldn't that apply to Trump? He's an official, not the fucking law itself. The entire Constitution is set up so THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. Since he oversees the DOJ that technically makes him highest. HOWEVER, the DOJ has independent oversight from the peoples governing body, Congress, which is where we are supposed to be protected, but what do you do when they are in cahoots together. sigh I feel like this is has been a long time coming. Inmates have been running the prison for a long time. Add in a lack of civil engagement from most people, the apathy because 'it doesnt affect them' and a 24 hour news cycle that lets people focus on the newest shiny chicken every 12 hours, it was bound to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 10:12:33 GMT -6
I mean, I am definitely worried about it being released because I think that is when the true test of our Democracy will really start.
The one thing I have been keeping in the back of my mind about all of this, especially when it comes to Republicans being downright complicit: Until there is a real threat to their party and its future, the GOP will stand by. But, the time is coming where there will be a real threat, and their big time donors will threaten to pull their money.
When that happens, and it definitely will, they will jump ship one by one by one by one and turn on shit stain faster than you can blink.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 10:18:51 GMT -6
I mean, I am definitely worried about it being released because I think that is when the true test of our Democracy will really start. The one thing I have been keeping in the back of my mind about all of this, especially when it comes to Republicans being downright complicit: Until there is a real threat to their party and its future, the GOP will stand by. But, the time is coming where there will be a real threat, and their big time donors will threaten to pull their money. When that happens, and it definitely will, they will jump ship one by one by one by one and turn on shit stain faster than you can blink. I think the trickle is starting, how many are not seeking re-election? And lifelong politicians at that? I'm not sad about because we need new blood but I think the strategy is if shit hits the fan and they aren't running, a newer gop person untainted by this could take their seat rather than a dem.
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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 10:20:10 GMT -6
Time for margaritas this weekend, @heartbot . Unfortunately probably won't happen this weekend. 😩 Long lunch break?
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 10:24:13 GMT -6
I think the trickle is starting, how many are not seeking re-election? And lifelong politicians at that? I'm not sad about because we need new blood but I think the strategy is if shit hits the fan and they aren't running, a newer gop person untainted by this could take their seat rather than a dem. I would rather they stand up against their party than just quit. It's almost like...they are looking for new blood, but only if that new blood will agree to defend Trump. Is that how this comes across to anyone else? I very much feel like its a keep the seat red at any cost even if you have to quit. because thats obviously better than a democrat
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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 10:28:19 GMT -6
If Mueller abides by the "sitting presidents can't be indicted" rule then all of this rests on Rosenstein. I think he's definitely the more important person right now. I still don't understand the "president can't be indicted" thing. Read somewhere this morning where someone referred to Trump as the "highest LEO in the country" and I'm like...if a LEO anywhere else does something illegal (theoretically anyhow, if not always in practice), they get fired & put on trial. Why wouldn't that apply to Trump? He's an official, not the fucking law itself. The entire Constitution is set up so THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. I think he absolutely can be indicted. MH was arguing this morning that in this particular case, the indictment is going to have to be iron-fucking-clad because you cannot bring an indictment against a sitting president without unleashing complete crisis. Whatever is brought cannot be open to interpretation or on the borderline or plausibly deniable. And unfortunately the legal definitions of obstruction or collusion are pretty squishy, let alone lining up evidence that proves them. That's why MH doesn't think an indictment will ultimately be brought against Trump. He's convinced Mueller will ultimately find that Trump is an idiot surrounded by criminals. (So, indictments for Junior et al.) He thinks Mueller is too prudent to put anything forward that wouldn't be 100% certain. (I don't know if I agree with him - it's just his prediction.)That said, doesn't the grand jury have to vote before an indictment is actually brought? And so they will have to be persuaded beyond a reasonable doubt before anything would ever be public? So that's a check against a spaghetti-on-the-wall indictment, right?
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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 10:29:17 GMT -6
Not that either. It's just a rough week. My light at the end of the tunnel is...March. :\ Travel mug filled with "coffee" at your desk this afternoon?
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 10:32:19 GMT -6
I still don't understand the "president can't be indicted" thing. Read somewhere this morning where someone referred to Trump as the "highest LEO in the country" and I'm like...if a LEO anywhere else does something illegal (theoretically anyhow, if not always in practice), they get fired & put on trial. Why wouldn't that apply to Trump? He's an official, not the fucking law itself. The entire Constitution is set up so THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. I think he absolutely can be indicted. MH was arguing this morning that in this particular case, the indictment is going to have to be iron-fucking-clad because you cannot bring an indictment against a sitting president without unleashing complete crisis. Whatever is brought cannot be open to interpretation or on the borderline or plausibly deniable. And unfortunately the legal definitions of obstruction or collusion are pretty squishy, let alone lining up evidence that proves them. That's why MH doesn't think an indictment will ultimately be brought against Trump. He's convinced Mueller will ultimately find that Trump is an idiot surrounded by criminals. (So, indictments for Junior et al.) He thinks Mueller is too prudent to put anything forward that wouldn't be 100% certain. (I don't know if I agree with him - it's just his prediction.)That said, doesn't the grand jury have to vote before an indictment is actually brought? And so they will have to be persuaded beyond a reasonable doubt before anything would ever be public? So that's a check against a spaghetti-on-the-wall indictment, right? I 100% agree with the underlined, from all reports thats just how Mueller operates. I also think he will never ever be indicted, convicted, etc on collusion or obstruction, I think they ARE going to get him at a state level on RICO however. Thats my groundhogs day wish.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Feb 2, 2018 10:40:39 GMT -6
I really can't judge this poor man too harshly. He's right: Nassar is a demon. I oppose vigilantism. But I can understand his reaction.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 10:50:53 GMT -6
I really can't judge this poor man too harshly. He's right: Nassar is a demon. I oppose vigilantism. But I can understand his reaction. I mean I'm nonviolent and all that but I hope someone beats the everloving shit out of him in prison. He is a demon. If that makes me a horrible human I guess I'll have to live with that.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 10:52:09 GMT -6
45 has authorized the release of the memo. Now it goes back to the House
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 2, 2018 10:58:43 GMT -6
45 has authorized the release of the memo. Now it goes back to the House Do we know if they ended up adding any redactions or anything? I don't think it'll make it better, probably worse because it'll be less coherent and more open to "interpretation" if big chunks are missing.
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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 11:00:33 GMT -6
45 has authorized the release of the memo. Now it goes back to the House Do we know if they ended up adding any redactions or anything? I don't think it'll make it better, probably worse because it'll be less coherent and more open to "interpretation" if big chunks are missing. This morning on 1A someone said there were not redactions offered from the white house, but there were deletions. I'm sure one of our resident lawyers could explain the difference.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 11:03:29 GMT -6
Do we know if they ended up adding any redactions or anything? I don't think it'll make it better, probably worse because it'll be less coherent and more open to "interpretation" if big chunks are missing. This morning on 1A someone said there were not redactions offered from the white house, but there were deletions. I'm sure one of our resident lawyers could explain the difference. CNN is reporting no redactions. Also how can you be biased on a FISA warrant on someone who had been surveiled since 2013????? because is this is tied to Carter Page as assumed hes been watched since then. The guy last night was all if you dont want to be accused of collusion with Russians maybe dont hang out with Russians.
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Post by blurnette989 on Feb 2, 2018 11:05:28 GMT -6
Do we know if they ended up adding any redactions or anything? I don't think it'll make it better, probably worse because it'll be less coherent and more open to "interpretation" if big chunks are missing. This morning on 1A someone said there were not redactions offered from the white house, but there were deletions. I'm sure one of our resident lawyers could explain the difference. Ugh. I dislike that. A deletion means they removed it from the text and we wouldn't know it was gone. It's like regular editing of a document. So we have no idea what or where something was removed. A redaction marks or obscures the text, usually with a black box, so you know that something has been removed, you just don't know what.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 11:08:37 GMT -6
45 thinks its a 'disgrace' whats going on in this country. When you look at that and see that, so many people should be ashamed. Lets see what happens, lots of people should be ashamed. (those are paraphrased quotes and NOT my spin on it)
you know what is he gonna do when a threat against HIM comes through and you have spent the last year discrediting the entire intelligence community, like does that really want anyone want to take their job seriously. Hes not gonna believe it anyway because everyone LOOOOOOOOOOVES me. Not to mention serious threats against this country. There is a very real threat with Russia and meddling but now you have spent all this time saying you can't believe what they say...so yeah.
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 11:12:05 GMT -6
"...If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin's job for him"- John McCain
Part of JM statement
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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 11:12:06 GMT -6
McCain said a cool thing. "If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him."
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Post by jkjacq on Feb 2, 2018 11:15:36 GMT -6
Maggie asked 45 if he still had confidence in Rosenstein and 45s reply was "you figure it out"
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Post by mb3 on Feb 2, 2018 11:16:28 GMT -6
I think the trickle is starting, how many are not seeking re-election? And lifelong politicians at that? I'm not sad about because we need new blood but I think the strategy is if shit hits the fan and they aren't running, a newer gop person untainted by this could take their seat rather than a dem. I would rather they stand up against their party than just quit. It's almost like...they are looking for new blood, but only if that new blood will agree to defend Trump. Is that how this comes across to anyone else? “I won’t work for him, but I also won’t stop him” You know who else did that? An awful lot of Germans in the 1930s.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 11:17:45 GMT -6
I see Memo Friday is a circus of flaming dogshit juggling, as was expected.
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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 11:18:20 GMT -6
I know I've been WK for the NYT the last couple of weeks and still stand by every defense. But, I'm never going to hold back criticizing David Brooks as a grade-A twat. (This goes back yeeeeeears.) Y'all seen this shit, right? Anyway, I'm sharing Andy Richter's response not because it is the best rebuttal, but because it is so refreshing to see a white dude call this out. Why do white dudes so rarely stand up to defend abortion rights? It's quite a thing to behold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 11:19:07 GMT -6
I'm more worried about Rosenstein than Wray, and maybe I'm off-base, but Rosenstein seems more important at this point. If Mueller abides by the "sitting presidents can't be indicted" rule then all of this rests on Rosenstein. I think he's definitely the more important person right now. He's the one that would have to give it to Congress so, yes, agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 11:21:04 GMT -6
The memo has landed but it is taking forever to load on my computer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 11:22:02 GMT -6
I think the website crashed. Of course.
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Post by shadesofgold on Feb 2, 2018 11:22:36 GMT -6
Maggie asked 45 if he still had confidence in Rosenstein and 45s reply was "you figure it out" Here's the video. Welp.
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