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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 8:36:55 GMT -6
New week, new thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 8:40:57 GMT -6
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 8:44:22 GMT -6
Sounds about right ^^
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 8:45:05 GMT -6
Graham throwing some shade at Cotton/Perdue.
I wonder how he feels about himself being such a bootlicking apologist to Trump for the past several months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 8:50:46 GMT -6
So this week Congress has to hammer out a CR or budget.
Sounds like they’re looking at a CR that includes CHIP funding and budget caps, but Trump blew up a DACA agreement so that will most likely not be addressed and kicked down the road some more.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 15, 2018 8:58:19 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 9:00:31 GMT -6
Does he follow it up with a “so that’s going pretty well for us.”
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Post by athn64 on Jan 15, 2018 9:16:05 GMT -6
Wasn't that their master plan?
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Post by enchanted on Jan 15, 2018 9:48:37 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings about Reps. Waters and Lewis boycotting the SOTU, but the part about HRC giving the rebuttal made me laugh.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 9:49:37 GMT -6
I absolutely think they should boycott.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 10:24:37 GMT -6
When is the SOTU? I was thinking about that the other day.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jan 15, 2018 10:25:03 GMT -6
I think it would be more satisfying if they stayed and heckled him like Obama got heckled. Trump would flip. But that's just me being petty.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jan 15, 2018 10:26:42 GMT -6
I remember I was in DC when W gave one of his SOTU and we had a list of phrases to drink to ("terrorist", "axis of evil" etc.). I think with Trump you could probably just make a two-word list: "great" and "fantastic" and you'd be drunk within 10 min.
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Post by athn64 on Jan 15, 2018 10:30:45 GMT -6
I remember I was in DC when W gave one of his SOTU and we had a list of phrases to drink to ("terrorist", "axis of evil" etc.). I think with Trump you could probably just make a two-word list: "great" and "fantastic" and you'd be drunk within 10 min. Covfefe
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Post by greykitty on Jan 15, 2018 10:39:48 GMT -6
I absolutely do not think there should be a boycott of the State of the Union. If members want to politely sit on their hands in silence, that's fine by me. But boycotting will not, IMO, lead to anything productive whatsoever.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 10:41:52 GMT -6
I absolutely do not think there should be a boycott of the State of the Union. If members want to politely sit on their hands in silence, that's fine by me. But boycotting will not, IMO, lead to anything productive whatsoever. But people of color shouldn’t have to go watch a racist speak just because he is president.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 15, 2018 10:45:50 GMT -6
I remember I was in DC when W gave one of his SOTU and we had a list of phrases to drink to ("terrorist", "axis of evil" etc.). I think with Trump you could probably just make a two-word list: "great" and "fantastic" and you'd be drunk within 10 min. We will be live blogging it this year, correct? Complete with drinking game? Or at least Bingo? H and I tried one year and the rules were drink every time they clapped or Bieber cried. We finally had to stop.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 10:50:11 GMT -6
Can someone explain why it would be so bad to boycott the SOTU? Republicans play by zero rules so just because it’s a thing congress does isn’t a good enough answer for me. Also us going high when they keep on going low is also not a good enough answer for me.
I’m sick of everyone (in the government) treating all of this shit like it’s normal. Even Dems haven’t done enough in my opinion. I don’t know what the heck I want them to do but sitting out the SOTU to remind people this isn’t normal could be the first step.
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Post by greykitty on Jan 15, 2018 10:51:19 GMT -6
I absolutely do not think there should be a boycott of the State of the Union. If members want to politely sit on their hands in silence, that's fine by me. But boycotting will not, IMO, lead to anything productive whatsoever. But people of color shouldn’t have to go watch a racist speak just because he is president. I'm pretty sure there are several hundred members of the House and Senate, of both parties, who would prefer not to be present. But, just saying, strategically, IMO, boycotting by one party will not lead to anything useful whatsoever. Also, heckling, etc., is nothing but counterproductive in the eyes of many, many voters. Again, that's my opinion. I prefer my senators from Illinois to be front and center and staring the President down. Now, if you could get the ENTIRE House & Senate to not appear.....
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Post by mb3 on Jan 15, 2018 10:55:03 GMT -6
But people of color shouldn’t have to go watch a racist speak just because he is president. I'm pretty sure there are several hundred members of the House and Senate, of both parties, who would prefer not to be present. But, just saying, strategically, IMO, boycotting by one party will not lead to anything useful whatsoever. Also, heckling, etc., is nothing but counterproductive in the eyes of many, many voters. Again, that's my opinion. I prefer my senators from Illinois to be front and center and staring the President down. Now, if you could get the ENTIRE House & Senate to not appear..... I also think it will bother Trump more to see people sitting down, refusing to clap for him, than just being absent.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2018 11:03:44 GMT -6
Can someone explain why it would be so bad to boycott the SOTU? Republicans play by zero rules so just because it’s a thing congress does isn’t a good enough answer for me. Also us going high when they keep on going low is also not a good enough answer for me. I’m sick of everyone (in the government) treating all of this shit like it’s normal. Even Dems haven’t done enough in my opinion. I don’t know what the heck I want them to do but sitting out the SOTU to remind people this isn’t normal could be the first step. I also have mixed feelings. The line for me is he ultimately, no matter how much we wish otherwise, is president. The office, not the man, deserves the respect. And by boycotting it gives him MONTHS of saying how Dems are unwilling to reach across the aisle to work bipartsianly and are just being obstructionist. I realize its all about optics but I feel its just bad to not be there. Sit there quietly and then blast him after.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:05:22 GMT -6
Meh I think he lost the whole “the office deserves respect” when he uses that office for his racist policies.
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Post by thorgi on Jan 15, 2018 11:08:42 GMT -6
But people of color shouldn’t have to go watch a racist speak just because he is president. I'm pretty sure there are several hundred members of the House and Senate, of both parties, who would prefer not to be present. But, just saying, strategically, IMO, boycotting by one party will not lead to anything useful whatsoever. Also, heckling, etc., is nothing but counterproductive in the eyes of many, many voters. Again, that's my opinion. I prefer my senators from Illinois to be front and center and staring the President down. Now, if you could get the ENTIRE House & Senate to not appear..... God bless Dick and Tammy, for reals.
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Post by pesto on Jan 15, 2018 11:09:13 GMT -6
I think it's more impactful for members of congress to sit and show their disapproval but I do understand boycotting it.
I'm dreading all of the "he was so presidential" articles after the SOTU. He's the furthest thing from presidential even if he can read a 30 minute scripted speech.
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Post by miawallace on Jan 15, 2018 11:09:49 GMT -6
Meh I think he lost the whole “the office deserves respect” when he uses that office for his racist policies. Yeah I'm here. I'm also not patriotic so there a few things about this country I don't put in pedastals. I'm also salty and wish to act as petty as these people did when Obama was president. I'm jaded though. I don't really feel making nice with these people works.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:13:07 GMT -6
Meh I think he lost the whole “the office deserves respect” when he uses that office for his racist policies. Yeah I'm here. I'm also not patriotic so there a few things about this country I don't put in pedastals. I'm also salty and wish to act as petty as these people did when Obama was president. I'm jaded though. I don't really feel making nice with these people works. I’m jaded too. And I’m sick of the message society tries to teach about being polite. If someone is a racist misogynistic asshole we don’t need to be polite just because he has the title or he is rich or he is famous or he is an elder.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2018 11:15:21 GMT -6
Meh I think he lost the whole “the office deserves respect” when he uses that office for his racist policies. Here I play devils advocate (I understand your view/feelings on this) Lets say in the next term, the left wins and the right finds their view just as abhorrent as we do this presidents. Not that we can find another person who is so lacking in moral compass (please dont take that as a challenge universe) but this is a 'suppose'. The right boycotts, so we end up never being able to be civil because we become so divided. Its a blip in time that could have lasting ramifications. Much like what has happened with the nuclear option in the Senate. Hopefully he is a one term president and we need to keep the respect for the Office itself, not the person occupying it. And yes, respect it earned, and this one has not earned it, but I feel if we dont maintain some semblance of civility and work together to show him and the rest how morally corrupt this reality of his is, we will not be able to get that back.
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Post by miawallace on Jan 15, 2018 11:15:40 GMT -6
Yeah I'm here. I'm also not patriotic so there a few things about this country I don't put in pedastals. I'm also salty and wish to act as petty as these people did when Obama was president. I'm jaded though. I don't really feel making nice with these people works. I’m jaded too. And I’m sick of the message society tries to teach about being polite. If someone is a racist misogynistic asshole we don’t need to be polite just because he has the title or he is rich or he is famous or he is an elder. Yup. Which is why I said I don't put people in any type of office on pedastals. Doesn't mean I blatantly disrespect people. But I don't just ignore they stuff they say or do because they hold X position. At this time, going high when they go low isn't working. At least not with these people. They are a whole differenr brand of awful and nice isn't going to cut it.
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Post by crunch on Jan 15, 2018 11:20:25 GMT -6
Meh I think he lost the whole “the office deserves respect” when he uses that office for his racist policies. Here I play devils advocate (I understand your view/feelings on this) Lets say in the next term, the left wins and the right finds their view just as abhorrent as we do this presidents. Not that we can find another person who is so lacking in moral compass (please dont take that as a challenge universe) but this is a 'suppose'. The right boycotts, so we end up never being able to be civil because we become so divided. Its a blip in time that could have lasting ramifications. Much like what has happened with the nuclear option in the Senate. Hopefully he is a one term president and we need to keep the respect for the Office itself, not the person occupying it. And yes, respect it earned, and this one has not earned it, but I feel if we dont maintain some semblance of civility and work together to show him and the rest how morally corrupt this reality of his is, we will not be able to get that back. Why is it always on "us" to be civil?
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 15, 2018 11:22:14 GMT -6
Here I play devils advocate (I understand your view/feelings on this) Lets say in the next term, the left wins and the right finds their view just as abhorrent as we do this presidents. Not that we can find another person who is so lacking in moral compass (please dont take that as a challenge universe) but this is a 'suppose'. The right boycotts, so we end up never being able to be civil because we become so divided. Its a blip in time that could have lasting ramifications. Much like what has happened with the nuclear option in the Senate. Hopefully he is a one term president and we need to keep the respect for the Office itself, not the person occupying it. And yes, respect it earned, and this one has not earned it, but I feel if we dont maintain some semblance of civility and work together to show him and the rest how morally corrupt this reality of his is, we will not be able to get that back. Why is it always on "us" to be civil? Because somebody has to be level headed and if we sink to their level, we're no better than they are
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