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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 13:07:03 GMT -6
I don't understand how they could possibly justify continuing to sell this item just by removing the photo and replacing it with a stock photo. You stop selling it. Period. You don't just keep it on your website. I am disgusted. I don't think it's an OK sweatshirt under any circumstances really.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 8, 2018 13:11:38 GMT -6
I heard about this documentary sometime ago and finally found it on Hulu. It's a FASCINATING look at the rise and impact of right-wing media. JukEboX, there's even an appearance by our friend Thom Hartman. Every voter in America should watch this film. www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com
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Post by Ls2012 on Jan 8, 2018 13:23:22 GMT -6
How is it that there's not a large, diverse state with a female Democratic Governor? JFC get it together, America Maybe Jennifer Granholm? I didn't think she did a bad job here as Michigan's governor.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 8, 2018 13:24:04 GMT -6
OKAY. The Hill published a letter by Seb Gorka. That's me done then. :: Unfollow::
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Post by dc2london on Jan 8, 2018 13:24:47 GMT -6
How is it that there's not a large, diverse state with a female Democratic Governor? JFC get it together, America Maybe Jennifer Granholm? I didn't think she did a bad job here as Michigan's governor. She talked about running years ago. She's tight with HRC
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Post by mb3 on Jan 8, 2018 13:44:02 GMT -6
I get the draw of becoming involved in national level politics but I would love to see some of these big names talking about running (Oprah, the Rock, Hanks if he was serious) get involved on a more local level. City council, state representative, etc. And not just as a jumping off point to gain experience either- we need talented, dedicated people at each level and I think they could do a lot of good addressing issues at those levels.
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Post by Bluebird on Jan 8, 2018 13:48:17 GMT -6
While I also believe this country will need an experienced political leader to clean up this godforsaken mess, I could still get behind an Oprah run. She is incredibly driven, smart, and thoughtful in everything she does, and I feel confident that she would be absolutely prepared and would surround herself with excellent advisors.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 8, 2018 13:51:40 GMT -6
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 8, 2018 14:02:40 GMT -6
45 is getting ready to speak soon...
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Post by dc2london on Jan 8, 2018 14:20:32 GMT -6
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Post by enchanted on Jan 8, 2018 14:32:40 GMT -6
Not even surprised. Why shouldn't they have been enemies before they were allies before they were enemies? Hopefully, they all destroy each other on the way down.
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Post by elle on Jan 8, 2018 14:37:34 GMT -6
OKAY. The Hill published a letter by Seb Gorka. That's me done then. :: Unfollow:: I'm also disgusted they gave him a platform, however I'm laughing that he just confirmed that people were instructed to speak to Wolff for his book. Doh! link "As a result, you’d never see Jim Acosta coming out of my office or Maggie Haberman buying me an espresso at Peet’s around the corner from the West Wing. So, when I met Michael Wolff in Reince Priebus’ office, where he was waiting to talk to Steve Bannon, and after I had been told to also speak to him for his book, my attitude was polite but firm: “Thanks but no thanks.” Our brief encounter reinforced my gut feeling that this oleaginous scribe had no interest in being fair and unbiased."
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Post by blurnette989 on Jan 8, 2018 14:43:05 GMT -6
How reliable is this opposition research? They are pretty vague on the deets.
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Post by sterling on Jan 8, 2018 14:51:24 GMT -6
The enemy of my friend is my enemy unless he’s my friend unless he’s my enemy.
The Trump/Bannon tale as old as time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 16:58:49 GMT -6
I get the draw of becoming involved in national level politics but I would love to see some of these big names talking about running (Oprah, the Rock, Hanks if he was serious) get involved on a more local level. City council, state representative, etc. And not just as a jumping off point to gain experience either- we need talented, dedicated people at each level and I think they could do a lot of good addressing issues at those levels. This is where I’m at. It seems like they are more effective in the private sector or at non-POTUS levels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 17:00:03 GMT -6
Although I’m torn because if the first African American woman can be elected president, I’m here for that.
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Post by mananana on Jan 8, 2018 17:52:01 GMT -6
This is so cruel Trump Administration Rules That Nearly 200,000 Salvadorans Must Leave, Officials Say nyti.ms/2EmEtKlI'm late, as per, but this broke my heart when the WaPo news alert came across my phone at work today. Hey. Been here almost two decades? Sweet. We'll give you a year, but then GTFO. It's just awful. 😥😥😥
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Post by Bluebird on Jan 8, 2018 18:14:51 GMT -6
This is so cruel Trump Administration Rules That Nearly 200,000 Salvadorans Must Leave, Officials Say nyti.ms/2EmEtKlI'm late, as per, but this broke my heart when the WaPo news alert came across my phone at work today. Hey. Been here almost two decades? Sweet. We'll give you a year, but then GTFO. It's just awful. 😥😥😥 NPR said 96% of them are employed and paying taxes, about half own homes here, and there are nearly 200,000 minor children who are US citizens whose parents now lose protection. I am flabbergasted. There is ZERO economic incentive to send these people back to El Salvador! This is cruelty and populism, nothing else.
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Post by hufflepug on Jan 8, 2018 19:08:04 GMT -6
How is it that there's not a large, diverse state with a female Democratic Governor? JFC get it together, America I live in IL and would vote Oprah for governor over Bruce Rauner any day of the week.
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Post by shadesofgold on Jan 8, 2018 19:17:48 GMT -6
OKay, I really did think we were going overboard but I heard on NPR that real "democratic operatives" were seriously discussing (or at least dissecting) an Oprah presidential run. I truly think we are all just so desperate and exhausted from the year we've had that the Oprah magic has touched us at a particularly vulnerable time. Remember when women had nervous breakdowns when she did giveaways on her show? Maybe we just all need to watch Super Soul Sunday more often.
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Post by JukEboX on Jan 8, 2018 19:27:04 GMT -6
I get the draw of becoming involved in national level politics but I would love to see some of these big names talking about running (Oprah, the Rock, Hanks if he was serious) get involved on a more local level. City council, state representative, etc. And not just as a jumping off point to gain experience either- we need talented, dedicated people at each level and I think they could do a lot of good addressing issues at those levels. This is far out in left field but didn't Dave Chappelle attend a city counsel meeting? He is pretty motivated but I think he just wants to take a nap now.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 8, 2018 19:27:51 GMT -6
OKay, I really did think we were going overboard but I heard on NPR that real "democratic operatives" were seriously discussing (or at least dissecting) an Oprah presidential run. I truly think we are all just so desperate and exhausted from the year we've had that the Oprah magic has touched us at a particularly vulnerable time. Remember when women had nervous breakdowns when she did giveaways on her show? Maybe we just all need to watch Super Soul Sunday more often. Is Oprah appealing to us (probably unintentionally) the same way Trump appealed to Nazis and coal miners? Am I being played?
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Post by coconutbacon on Jan 8, 2018 19:36:49 GMT -6
This is so cruel Trump Administration Rules That Nearly 200,000 Salvadorans Must Leave, Officials Say nyti.ms/2EmEtKlI'm late, as per, but this broke my heart when the WaPo news alert came across my phone at work today. Hey. Been here almost two decades? Sweet. We'll give you a year, but then GTFO. It's just awful. 😥😥😥 Especially given the role the US government played in perpetuating and funding the atrocities of their civil war—largely the reason so many Salvadorans came here. 95% of the abuses, killings, kidnappings and torture during their civil war was found to have been committed by government forces— which included army units trained by the US. We have a pretty shitty record, especially in Latin America, of propping up horrible and violent right wing dictators. We should be welcoming everyone with open arms. It’s the least we can do.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 8, 2018 20:08:19 GMT -6
OKay, I really did think we were going overboard but I heard on NPR that real "democratic operatives" were seriously discussing (or at least dissecting) an Oprah presidential run. I truly think we are all just so desperate and exhausted from the year we've had that the Oprah magic has touched us at a particularly vulnerable time. Remember when women had nervous breakdowns when she did giveaways on her show? Maybe we just all need to watch Super Soul Sunday more often. Is Oprah appealing to us (probably unintentionally) the same way Trump appealed to Nazis and coal miners? Am I being played? You get healthcare You get childcare You get a tax break Everyone wins. The media needs to full stop with the speculation. I feel sorry for gayle tomorrow
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 8, 2018 20:15:16 GMT -6
Wapo has a really good article on why O shouldn’t run www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/08/get-a-grip-people-oprah-should-not-run-for-president/?__twitter_impression=true&tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.c2d4cc1ea9b9It’s tempting to see all this attention paid to Oprah and say, “Hey, at least she’d be better than Trump.” That’s indisputably true, but it’s also beside the point. The question for Democrats is who would win and who would be the best president of all the available options. Neither I nor anyone else really knows how she would respond to the challenges of that most challenging job. Being president isn’t like hosting a talk show or running a media brand. Oprah’s success in her field is no more indicative of her potential to be a good president than Trump’s success in real estate was. You can’t criticize Trump for having no relevant experience or evident understanding of public policy, then say that the solution for Democrats is just to throw up their hands and find their own celebrity to promote.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 8, 2018 21:28:56 GMT -6
How is it that there's not a large, diverse state with a female Democratic Governor? JFC get it together, America I live in IL and would vote Oprah for governor over Bruce Rauner any day of the week. Well yes, but I’d rather see Daniel Biss win 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 21:46:15 GMT -6
I will admit though that I laughed in the Golden Globes thread when someone posted a picture of the Rock during Oprah’s speech and it was captioned “when your goals shift to VP” or something. I don’t want either to run but that made me giggle. Added: It was @rocksforludo , quoting Joy Retweets (posts on forums) do not equal endorsement! I also lol'ed but am not interested in anymore candidates transitioning from tv to the WH. (Says the former constituent of Al Franken.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 21:50:26 GMT -6
The Mercers, KellyAnne, Bannon - those circles were all pro-Cruz until they weren't.
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Post by hufflepug on Jan 8, 2018 21:54:48 GMT -6
I live in IL and would vote Oprah for governor over Bruce Rauner any day of the week. Well yes, but I’d rather see Daniel Biss win 😉 I think Pritzker will get the nom. I'm not impressed by him at all.
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Post by Bluebird on Jan 8, 2018 21:57:01 GMT -6
Wapo has a really good article on why O shouldn’t run www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/01/08/get-a-grip-people-oprah-should-not-run-for-president/?__twitter_impression=true&tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.c2d4cc1ea9b9It’s tempting to see all this attention paid to Oprah and say, “Hey, at least she’d be better than Trump.” That’s indisputably true, but it’s also beside the point. The question for Democrats is who would win and who would be the best president of all the available options. Neither I nor anyone else really knows how she would respond to the challenges of that most challenging job. Being president isn’t like hosting a talk show or running a media brand. Oprah’s success in her field is no more indicative of her potential to be a good president than Trump’s success in real estate was. You can’t criticize Trump for having no relevant experience or evident understanding of public policy, then say that the solution for Democrats is just to throw up their hands and find their own celebrity to promote. I’m just here, wanting to be inspired by the leader of the free world again, and you’ve got to come in and be all reasonable and right!
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