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Post by shadesofgold on Jan 13, 2018 9:08:07 GMT -6
Honestly if you guys can figure out how to make sure teachers see higher pay without closing businesses or increasing tuition, let me know. Nobody has seemed to figure this out. It is such a fragile economy and the government "investments" often cause unintended harms. We're trying to figure it out now and if I cracked it I could probably be mayor.
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Post by crunch on Jan 13, 2018 9:34:38 GMT -6
Honestly if you guys can figure out how to make sure teachers see higher pay without closing businesses or increasing tuition, let me know. Nobody has seemed to figure this out. It is such a fragile economy and the government "investments" often cause unintended harms. We're trying to figure it out now and if I cracked it I could probably be mayor. Do you mean just preschool teachers? Or teachers at every age?
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Post by Minerva on Jan 13, 2018 9:36:23 GMT -6
byjove, I hope you all are feeling better very soon!
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jan 13, 2018 9:53:35 GMT -6
Warning: one of my hills. TL;DR: childcare is expensive and it should be. *snip* I agree with you that childcare has to be expensive to cover the costs. The question is who pays what portion. In the US, parents are expected to pay a large majority of costs in many cases (like you say, there are subsidies as well). Here where I live, the subsidies cover about 90% of the overall costs while parents pay the other 10% (DH works in city administration, so he has told me before how much 1 daycare spot costs compared to how much we pay). In other words, the state has said that early childhood care is so important that the costs should be defrayed across society in the form of taxes to make sure that as many children as possible have access to it. And if you're below a certain income level, then the subsidies are 100%. Essentially, I feel that here in Germany the government is saying access to early childhood education benefits society as a whole, so it's worth it for everyone to pay into the system with parents currently using it paying an additional amount. Whereas in the US, the government has said - meh, we'll chip in a bit, but if you want your kid to have a good start, you're going to have to pony up the $$$. Once again it seems to be the individualistic mindset in the US (You want your kid to get a good start? You pay for it!) compared to the much more collective mindset here (Everyone benefits if the next generation is well-educated. So let's all pitch in!). So for me it's not a matter of how much high-quality preschool is worth. It's worth a lot - I agree with you that on a broader societal level it's worth more than college in many regards. But I don't think the burden to pay for it should be so heavily on the parents. I think it should be distributed more equally across the beneficiaries, i.e. everyone.
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Post by coconutbacon on Jan 13, 2018 10:19:25 GMT -6
shadesofgold (I messed up snipping the quote on tapa) “Wait lists are long for really basic economic reasons. It doesn't pay to operate childcare. There is no incentive aside from love and vocation to do it. For that reason, there are not enough to meet the need. Until it makes business sense to operate a center, the wait lists will persist. That isn't a fault of the providers, it's the result of a broken market and low public investment.” I totally get this and agree. I guess I just bristled at the idea that childcare/ early childhood education *should* be expensive, assuming that means it should be expensive for parents. And also that if it’s expensive, then that’s because people are being paid a fair wage, because that’s definitely not the case. I think it’s something that our government and society should be investing in and cost sharing, so that even if as an overall budget item it’s a lot, it’s not unbearable for individual families.
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Post by summerbabe on Jan 13, 2018 10:27:21 GMT -6
I think one of the problems with Bright Horizons (and I'm sure the care is great) is that there is no incentive to pass better wages onto the teachers. I think they are publicly traded and with the Bain Capital/stock market world, I think they are going to pass on $$ to the shareholders rather than the workers.
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Post by mb3 on Jan 13, 2018 10:38:40 GMT -6
Mueller is requesting a May 14th trial date for Manafort per court filings. Between that and Harry's wedding on the 19th, it should be a fun week. I like the way you think
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Post by coconutbacon on Jan 13, 2018 11:07:13 GMT -6
summerbabe, I think you are right. BH is also one of the only places to figure out how to make childcare profitable— largely because they partner with corporations, like Chase Bank, offering centers in/ near their headquarters, and then the corporation will subsidize it slightly for their employees. For us, there were very few options for a daycare that was reasonably close (and even BH still required a 1.5 mile walk to get to), that had a spot for an infant when we needed it. BH was actually one of the less expensive options— some places were over 3K/ month! Once my daughter was 18 months, there were more options available, so we moved her elsewhere then. It’s still $$$ though.
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Post by shadesofgold on Jan 13, 2018 11:07:41 GMT -6
Honestly if you guys can figure out how to make sure teachers see higher pay without closing businesses or increasing tuition, let me know. Nobody has seemed to figure this out. It is such a fragile economy and the government "investments" often cause unintended harms. We're trying to figure it out now and if I cracked it I could probably be mayor. Do you mean just preschool teachers? Or teachers at every age? Actually, we're looking specifically infant and toddler teachers. Preschool is a different system in DC because we have universal pre-k (as you know). That's such an advantage for parents here, btw, but has actually put more pressure on daycares. They can no longer cross subsidize the cost of infants and toddlers with higher revenue preschool classrooms as they move into public schools.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 11:08:46 GMT -6
Omg this thread.
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Post by shadesofgold on Jan 13, 2018 11:11:12 GMT -6
Warning: one of my hills. TL;DR: childcare is expensive and it should be. *snip* I agree with you that childcare has to be expensive to cover the costs. The question is who pays what portion. In the US, parents are expected to pay a large majority of costs in many cases (like you say, there are subsidies as well). Here where I live, the subsidies cover about 90% of the overall costs while parents pay the other 10% (DH works in city administration, so he has told me before how much 1 daycare spot costs compared to how much we pay). In other words, the state has said that early childhood care is so important that the costs should be defrayed across society in the form of taxes to make sure that as many children as possible have access to it. And if you're below a certain income level, then the subsidies are 100%. Essentially, I feel that here in Germany the government is saying access to early childhood education benefits society as a whole, so it's worth it for everyone to pay into the system with parents currently using it paying an additional amount. Whereas in the US, the government has said - meh, we'll chip in a bit, but if you want your kid to have a good start, you're going to have to pony up the $$$. Once again it seems to be the individualistic mindset in the US (You want your kid to get a good start? You pay for it!) compared to the much more collective mindset here (Everyone benefits if the next generation is well-educated. So let's all pitch in!). So for me it's not a matter of how much high-quality preschool is worth. It's worth a lot - I agree with you that on a broader societal level it's worth more than college in many regards. But I don't think the burden to pay for it should be so heavily on the parents. I think it should be distributed more equally across the beneficiaries, i.e. everyone. Yep, don't disagree with any of this and I don't think I implied that expensive meant it had to fall to parents only. In my perfect world, the government would be heavily invested in education at every level. But it is expensive and someone has to pay. I'm trying to counter an argument that caring for babies isn't resource intensive or didn't require skilled labor because it's "just feeding babies."
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Post by charlotte on Jan 13, 2018 11:12:59 GMT -6
Omg this thread. Wow. And that picture is priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 11:15:14 GMT -6
I would give all my money to DS’s infant room providers.
I love them.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 13, 2018 11:37:34 GMT -6
Honestly if you guys can figure out how to make sure teachers see higher pay without closing businesses or increasing tuition, let me know. Nobody has seemed to figure this out. It is such a fragile economy and the government "investments" often cause unintended harms. We're trying to figure it out now and if I cracked it I could probably be mayor. Would vote ShadesofGold for mayor
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Post by summerbabe on Jan 13, 2018 11:49:23 GMT -6
summerbabe, I think you are right. BH is also one of the only places to figure out how to make childcare profitable— largely because they partner with corporations, like Chase Bank, offering centers in/ near their headquarters, and then the corporation will subsidize it slightly for their employees. For us, there were very few options for a daycare that was reasonably close (and even BH still required a 1.5 mile walk to get to), that had a spot for an infant when we needed it. BH was actually one of the less expensive options— some places were over 3K/ month! Once my daughter was 18 months, there were more options available, so we moved her elsewhere then. It’s still $$$ though. I hear you. The options really vary based on neighborhood, and I've heard of more expensive places for sure. My friend moved from Greenpoint to queens for a specific daycare/preschool situation. I live in babytown Brooklyn so there are four billion daycares, but the workers do better hourly at our place. We still were paying 24k for infant care (worth every penny) but I'm excited to apply for upk next month.
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Post by coconutbacon on Jan 13, 2018 11:52:09 GMT -6
summerbabe, I think you are right. BH is also one of the only places to figure out how to make childcare profitable— largely because they partner with corporations, like Chase Bank, offering centers in/ near their headquarters, and then the corporation will subsidize it slightly for their employees. For us, there were very few options for a daycare that was reasonably close (and even BH still required a 1.5 mile walk to get to), that had a spot for an infant when we needed it. BH was actually one of the less expensive options— some places were over 3K/ month! Once my daughter was 18 months, there were more options available, so we moved her elsewhere then. It’s still $$$ though. I hear you. The options really vary based on neighborhood, and I've heard of more expensive places for sure. My friend moved from Greenpoint to queens for a specific daycare/preschool situation. I live in babytown Brooklyn so there are four billion daycares, but the workers do better hourly at our place. We still were paying 24k for infant care (worth every penny) but I'm excited to apply for upk next month. Yes. I am in Greenpoint. I was even on waitlists for places in Queens that I thought I could swing with my commute. North Brooklyn childcare options are scarce.
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Post by numbears on Jan 13, 2018 11:56:53 GMT -6
Omg this thread. I definitely teared up. This is such a powerful statement that reflects on how amazing Obama is: He replied, "think about what you just said. How incredible that is. On your last day of work at the White House, after your years of service, the first African-American president greeted you in your parents' native language." I started crying too."
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Post by bunnyfungo on Jan 13, 2018 12:18:21 GMT -6
Also, my jaw is dropping at the childcare costs you all are citing. You don't want to know what I pay here. I think it would make you cry. Or up and move here, which I would welcome Can you get me a job there? I haven’t worked in years, my only skill is making adorable babies, and I can only understand German if I watch the Slow News version. I’m highly employable, right?!? 😂
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jan 13, 2018 12:33:43 GMT -6
Also, my jaw is dropping at the childcare costs you all are citing. You don't want to know what I pay here. I think it would make you cry. Or up and move here, which I would welcome Can you get me a job there? I haven’t worked in years, my only skill is making adorable babies, and I can only understand German if I watch the Slow News version. I’m highly employable, right?!? 😂 If you got childcare qualifications, you would actually be highly employable! There are more and more bilingual immersion daycares/preschools here, and I often see ads looking for qualified English native speakers.
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Post by shadesofgold on Jan 13, 2018 13:04:04 GMT -6
Honestly if you guys can figure out how to make sure teachers see higher pay without closing businesses or increasing tuition, let me know. Nobody has seemed to figure this out. It is such a fragile economy and the government "investments" often cause unintended harms. We're trying to figure it out now and if I cracked it I could probably be mayor. Would vote ShadesofGold for mayor As far as I can tell, it only requires press conferences, being tough on rats, and giving donors lucrative government contracts. So, just need to find some donors....
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Post by justkeepmoving on Jan 13, 2018 13:06:27 GMT -6
Wtf. I can’t even the panic this caused.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:09:55 GMT -6
Yikes. And now if there is a real alert, how many people are going to assume it’s another mistake?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 13:12:33 GMT -6
I feel slightly ill just reading this.
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Post by charlotte on Jan 13, 2018 13:30:49 GMT -6
Yikes. Just chatted with my colleague in Hawaii and he said the only way he found it wasn’t real was via Twitter. That he didn’t receive a follow-up alerting that it was false.
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Post by 4PrivetDrive on Jan 13, 2018 13:34:04 GMT -6
My friend and her husband are stationed in Honolulu. She was terrified and had to hide in the bathroom with her two kids.
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Post by crunch on Jan 13, 2018 15:39:38 GMT -6
Would vote ShadesofGold for mayor As far as I can tell, it only requires press conferences, being tough on rats, and giving donors lucrative government contracts. So, just need to find some donors.... Don’t even get me started. The whole rat thing was how I got the car from our school moved. I saw her fucking social media photo ops with her hash tag. And I replied to one of the tweets asking how leaving a car outside for 2 months with bashed in windows and flat tires was part of #backtobasicsdc and her deputy mayor of safety wrote me back and it was taken care of within a day.
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Post by crunch on Jan 13, 2018 15:40:25 GMT -6
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Post by pesto on Jan 13, 2018 15:42:58 GMT -6
The governor of Hawaii is saying that someone "pressed the wrong button" on a shift change.
The fuck???
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Post by blurnette989 on Jan 13, 2018 15:45:46 GMT -6
The governor of Hawaii is saying that someone "pressed the wrong button" on a shift change. The fuck??? Jeez that's horrifying.i feel like it should not be that easy!
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Post by crunch on Jan 13, 2018 15:46:07 GMT -6
The governor of Hawaii is saying that someone "pressed the wrong button" on a shift change. The fuck??? Okay I’m not surprised at all. Not at all.
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