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Dec 13, 2017 14:46:47 GMT -6
Post by jkjacq on Dec 13, 2017 14:46:47 GMT -6
This is what it comes down to, IMO. Yes. I had a very good friend- who I loved and thought was a really empathetic person- say after the election that it just came down to that it was better for her family financially if a Republican was in the WH. My brother told me the same thing. They didn't like the other stuff Trump said, but were completely willing to look past it to get what benefitted them and the rest didn't affect them. That was (and still is) hard for me to grasp. And in the end everyone but the top .00005% is going to suffer.
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Dec 13, 2017 14:57:42 GMT -6
Post by adorebel on Dec 13, 2017 14:57:42 GMT -6
Yes. I had a very good friend- who I loved and thought was a really empathetic person- say after the election that it just came down to that it was better for her family financially if a Republican was in the WH. My brother told me the same thing. They didn't like the other stuff Trump said, but were completely willing to look past it to get what benefitted them and the rest didn't affect them. That was (and still is) hard for me to grasp. And in the end everyone but the top .00005% is going to suffer. That's what's so aggravating - it's extremely short-sighted, not just self-centered, to vote this way. $300 in tax cuts vs $3,000 in healthcare benefits for your family. 600 coal jobs saved vs. investing in the inevitable future of clean energy. Lower gas prices vs. not destroying the land we have left to preserve. Saying "Merry Christmas" vs. deporting thousands of innocent kids. Ugh.
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Dec 13, 2017 15:01:17 GMT -6
Post by Queen Mamadala on Dec 13, 2017 15:01:17 GMT -6
I'm sorry if I sound dismissive. I just don't buy it. White women voting for trump or for anyone in the GOP ticket lately aren't victims. Not dismissive, I don’t buy it either. White women benefit significantly from white privilege. Those who vote for people like Trump and Moore aren’t willing to cede those privileges even when there are also significant disadvantages to their gender. It’s short-sighted, but not done out of blind ignorance. It’s a calculated decision based on what they think will benefit them most. Exactly. They believe that shit. Not only is it the entire narrative they've been exposed their whole damn life in their neck of the woods, but it's the prevailing narrative in culture at large. They bought into it, and even if they have few moments of playing nice in mixed company, they look after their own, first and foremost. It is classic ingroup/outgroup through and through. They care not a damn about non-whites and non-evangelicals (even other, not True Christians™ don't fucking matter). Their loyalty is to their whiteness and white Jesus, and they'll legit throw everyone else into a pit of fire if it means they get theirs and then some. And yeah, I get the conditioning and indoctrination of religious fundamentalism and evangelicalism. I grew up around the same cult Moore was part of. I knew of these same scandals sweeping through many IFB churches and the notorious Hyles-Anderson College. It's pretty well-known among other predominantly white Baptist churches. I once adopted this brand of theology and ideology. It was part of my identity, and that is very much the case for religious fundamentalists of varying stripes. On the surface, I understand having hope they'll come to their senses, but hope for the lost, the very people who overlook the countless -isms in favor of their own privilege, means everyone else loses out. If these folks are grown, their decisions fall firmly at their feet. They're not victims. I didn't hold out hope someone would rescue me from the grips of right-wing fundamentalism. I did that on my own. My mind is my responsibility. Perhaps there's hope for the young and confused, but I sure as shit ain't holding my breath waiting for gen X and boomer white women to wake the fuck up. If their mamas, daddies, grandmas, and granddaddies didn't give two shits about non-whites and non-evangelicals, why would they suddenly have a damn conscience and heart? It is part of their identity to protect their deeply held, if not wholly flawed, convictions...from being deceived by Satan -- unbelievers and secularists. This is no different than pre-Civil Rights Era. They ain't shit just like their old and dead kin. The me now would not be extending a hand or olive branch to the old me. I'd be too damn exhausted. It's not like I didn't know all of this anyway. Most folks in the upside down don't want to be reached, and those who've been exposed to the seed of "doubt" have a shit-ton of information and tools at their fingertips to figure it out.
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Dec 13, 2017 15:17:07 GMT -6
Post by adorebel on Dec 13, 2017 15:17:07 GMT -6
Not dismissive, I don’t buy it either. White women benefit significantly from white privilege. Those who vote for people like Trump and Moore aren’t willing to cede those privileges even when there are also significant disadvantages to their gender. It’s short-sighted, but not done out of blind ignorance. It’s a calculated decision based on what they think will benefit them most. Exactly. They believe that shit. Not only is it the entire narrative they've been exposed their whole damn life in their neck of the woods, but it's the prevailing narrative in culture at large. They bought into it, and even if they have few moments of playing nice in mixed company, they look after their own, first and foremost. It is classic ingroup/outgroup through and through. They care not a damn about non-whites and non-evangelicals (even other, not True Christians™ don't fucking matter). Their loyalty is to their whiteness and white Jesus, and they'll legit throw everyone else into a pit of fire if it means they get theirs and then some. And yeah, I get the conditioning and indoctrination of religious fundamentalism and evangelicalism. I grew up around the same cult Moore was part of. I knew of these same scandals sweeping through many IFB churches and the notorious Hyles-Anderson College. It's pretty well-known among other predominantly white Baptist churches. I once adopted this brand of theology and ideology. It was part of my identity, and that is very much the case for religious fundamentalists of varying stripes. On the surface, I understand having hope they'll come to their senses, but hope for the lost, the very people who overlook the countless -isms in favor of their own privilege, means everyone else loses out. If these folks are grown, their decisions fall firmly at their feet. They're not victims. I didn't hold out hope someone would rescue me from the grips of right-wing fundamentalism. I did that on my own. My mind is my responsibility. Perhaps there's hope for the young and confused, but I sure as shit ain't holding my breath waiting for gen X and boomer white women to wake the fuck up. If their mamas, daddies, grandmas, and granddaddies didn't give two shits about non-whites and non-evangelicals, why would they suddenly have a damn conscience and heart? It is part of their identity to protect their deeply held, if not wholly flawed, convictions...from being deceived by Satan -- unbelievers and secularists. This is no different than pre-Civil Rights Era. They ain't shit just like their old and dead kin. The me now would not be extending a hand or olive branch to the old me. I'd be too damn exhausted. It's not like I didn't know all of this anyway. Most folks in the upside down don't want to be reached, and those who've been exposed to the seed of "doubt" have a shit-ton of information and tools at their fingertips to figure it out. The revelation to me, researching the far right, and especially white supremacists, has been realizing the way in which all of this shit falls along a perfect spectrum. I mean, I knew it, but I can see it so much more clearly now, how the veils and shrouds of decency are thrown over the statue of bigotry underneath. Out-and-out Nazis might call for expulsion and violence against anyone in the outgroup, while white nationalists call for enforced, but "non-violent" separatism, while the general alt-right or libertarians call for voluntary, "natural" separatism, while Southern whites who are "proud of their heritage" just want to "reserve a space of their own to be themselves," while general Republicans just argue it's "natural" to be concerned first and foremost with one's type/kin and to want "religious freedom," while the most moderate-seeming conservatives and independents couch it in a language of "preserving states' rights" or "prioritizing local politics." At heart, though, the whole spectrum is ruled by a dominating, all-consuming belief in one's own politically, racially, religiously, geographically, ethnically, and even sexually defined little "tribe." And this truly might be a deep psychological difference between people who stay right vs stay left. There are people who have a lizard-brain fear of otherness and people who don't. Some of those people, especially those toward the middle, can be overcome, changes can be made, education can happen, fear can be assuaged, but yeah, mobilizing those on our side by showing them that we see them and are concerned with the issues that affect their futures and aren't selling them out (esp young people, families, women, queer folks, and POC) is probably a better bet than trying to convert them. TL;DR let's stop talking about running candidates on the left who "talk to white men" or who "might be pro-life." That is not the solution.
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Dec 13, 2017 15:37:04 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:37:04 GMT -6
I really appreciate the conversation here.
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Dec 13, 2017 19:05:26 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 19:05:26 GMT -6
McBenny, I understand why you don’t post in here very often. I’m late and I won’t McBenny all the posts but thanks for joining in today.
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Dec 13, 2017 19:35:17 GMT -6
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Post by McBenny on Dec 13, 2017 19:35:17 GMT -6
This is what it comes down to, IMO. Yes. I had a very good friend- who I loved and thought was a really empathetic person- say after the election that it just came down to that it was better for her family financially if a Republican was in the WH. My brother told me the same thing. They didn't like the other stuff Trump said, but were completely willing to look past it to get what benefitted them and the rest didn't affect them. That was (and still is) hard for me to grasp. I had a woman tell me the same thing. I was speechless. I listened and concluded because of her privilege she's short sighted.
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Post by Taitai on Dec 13, 2017 19:51:40 GMT -6
This is what it comes down to, IMO. Yes. I had a very good friend- who I loved and thought was a really empathetic person- say after the election that it just came down to that it was better for her family financially if a Republican was in the WH. My brother told me the same thing. They didn't like the other stuff Trump said, but were completely willing to look past it to get what benefitted them and the rest didn't affect them. That was (and still is) hard for me to grasp. This has also happened to me quite a bit with close friends and family members. It's hard to love someone and think you know who they are...and then you realize there is an essential, core piece of them that is really wrong and broken. I think since Trump has been elected, it has been easier to find and call out those who are willing to step over my red lines (racism, bigotry, sexism, etc) for the sake of protecting their own white privilege, financial, or ideological interests. It disgusts me, and my relationships with/respect for those people have been altered forever and irreparably damaged. It's almost like mourning someone who is still alive - it's heartbreaking. That said, I'd rather know someone's true colors than be ignorant of it or politely ignore it/compartmentalize it away.
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Dec 13, 2017 20:26:28 GMT -6
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Post by mb3 on Dec 13, 2017 20:26:28 GMT -6
Yes. I had a very good friend- who I loved and thought was a really empathetic person- say after the election that it just came down to that it was better for her family financially if a Republican was in the WH. My brother told me the same thing. They didn't like the other stuff Trump said, but were completely willing to look past it to get what benefitted them and the rest didn't affect them. That was (and still is) hard for me to grasp. This has also happened to me quite a bit with close friends and family members. It's hard to love someone and think you know who they are...and then you realize there is an essential, core piece of them that is really wrong and broken. I think since Trump has been elected, it has been easier to find and call out those who are willing to step over my red lines (racism, bigotry, sexism, etc) for the sake of protecting their own white privilege, financial, or ideological interests. It disgusts me, and my relationships with/respect for those people have been altered forever and irreparably damaged. It's almost like mourning someone who is still alive - it's heartbreaking. That said, I'd rather know someone's true colors than be ignorant of it or politely ignore it/compartmentalize it away. I think you explained it really well. With my brother it's especially hard- he and I had the same upbringing, the same exposures for the first 14 years of life and remarkably similar for the next 4. How did we turn out so very very differently?
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Dec 13, 2017 20:32:32 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:32:32 GMT -6
Soooo...maybe we do need a religion ban. A evangelical ban, not a Muslim one. I’m kidding, of course.
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Dec 13, 2017 23:10:04 GMT -6
Post by Queen Mamadala on Dec 13, 2017 23:10:04 GMT -6
I mean truth be told I had been angry with white women in particular for quite some time. I feel they let the shit happened and even ushered it in. No maybe not the women on this board but hello it was more than 60% of white women. I felt it was a slap in the face. It sent a message and I heard it. If it doesn't touch you, you don't care. You don't have to worry about the same things POC have to. You don't have to worry about what to tell your sons, you call the police for everything cause it's always been Officer Friendly in your eyes, you don't have to worry about your husband's moves in this world and the area of town he might work in and the Officers that might feel he doesn't fit the area etc. So while I might not be as angry, I don't trust white women. I could be wrong and acting on emotion but that's where I am. I ran out of spoons for most white women some time ago. Keep them at arm's distance. As a grown woman now my mama's words come back to me. That she was never comfortable around white women. She doesn't trust most of them. They'll smile in her face, make foolish-ass comments drenching in microaggressions ("Oh, you're so well-spoken and shit like that) and cozy up to low calorie racism and diet bigotry like it's no big deal. But they're "nice" and well-meaning, so yay! But I get it. White women stay doing the bare minimum until it's cool or trendy to get real and do some introspection and collect their own. It ain't enough to be a keyboard warrior on the internet in the comfort of anonymity. It means calling out racist and problematic kin and doing real work. Daddies, mommies, grandmas, granddaddies, uncles, husbands, soro sisters, etc. It means not giving a pass to benevolent racists and bigots because at least their racism, xenophobia, bigotry, anti-blackness, misogyny, and anti-LGBTQIA is packaged nicely. Benevolent racists and bigots don't want to see themselves that way and always attempt to humanize themselves and their kin. White supremacy in all its forms is still white supremacy. It needn't be overt and blatant to see it for what it is. Some of these white folks can try the "I voted for orange gremlin for economic reasons" excuse, but that still means racism, bigotry, misogyny, xenophobia, etc., were not deal-breakers. And the undercurrent to that is one of prioritizing one's selfish needs at the expense of others. It means to look out for one's own while watching others endure continued oppression and abuse. It favors the privilege of whiteness and all that it brings. Even for poor whites. They may be poor, but at least they're not Black or brown, especially when PoC are rising up and attaining what was once the white American dream, poor whites don't want to be at the bottom, and the elites, liberal and otherwise, sure as shit aren't giving up their social and economic standing to PoC, especially Black folks. One Obama is one too many. Blackexcellence is a threat to white supremacy. White supremacy isn't just white hoods, torches and yelling racial epithet and slurs. There are many nuances and layers visible to those not protected by whiteness.
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Dec 14, 2017 6:02:47 GMT -6
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Post by McBenny on Dec 14, 2017 6:02:47 GMT -6
I went through a lot of feelings. Like you said things your mother said, mine said the same. U fooled myself and thought "that's you momma they're not like that anymore. It's a new day." only to be slapped in my face. Obama did get very me the audacity of hope and the idea that we had progressed so far.
What gets me through is the knowledge that we have been down before. We still excel in the face of racism. We still shine and they hate that. It's only ok on their terms, their benefit, their convenience.
I can barely muster conversation about 45 because I feel the whole time but you elected him. Even if you didn't vote for him, you didn't do enough. With all he said and did he should have never been nominated.
Yet to sit afterwards like how did it happen and let's March, I'm like are you serious?
He's making this country a joke. He's focused on undoing all that was done. He really hasn't done much at this point. It won't be until he kicks them in the ass will real changes be made.
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Dec 14, 2017 8:09:57 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 8:09:57 GMT -6
Queen Mamadala I appreciate your contribution. I am 41 so I have been through a few elections. This past election has literally torn my family apart. My brother and SIL switched parties, and a cousin and me have completely cut off certain family members who let their racist flags fly. Initially I told McBenny that I could never cut off my own parents, but I feel like recently I have been better at standing up and speaking out. He used some racist language recently and SIL and shut it down by threatening to no longer allow him in our homes. These conversations are so hard to have and I hate that we have to have them, but I am learning so much from the women of this board, and why we need to be champions of change. Edit: "he" being my father.
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Dec 14, 2017 8:10:50 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 8:10:50 GMT -6
Just to say that please don't feel like your words and stories aren't without meaning.
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Dec 14, 2017 10:05:39 GMT -6
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Post by miawallace on Dec 14, 2017 10:05:39 GMT -6
I don't have real life white friends. It's not because I don't want to, but because white people usually don't live where I live. My husband is white, so him and his family are basically it for me with regards to white folks. And of course, past co-workers but not the same. But most of my friends are mainly Hispanic or black. I think I've mentioned this before, but I have a hard time getting out of my head when I'm around white folks. I can't be my usual self - Like how I am with my regular friends. It's weird to explain. so i understand what Queen Mamadala means when she says "arms length". This forum and my bmb is the most dose of white people after my husband. I use to be really active with this group of online moms and i stopped because a few were "I voted for trump because it benefits me, my family and our monies" "pro-life" etc. I just have a hard time continuing to engage so I just don't anymore because I feel disingenuous now. Even the liberal moms kind of stood there to sooth the white fragility. So I'm sort of done with that regard. It's safer in my bubble. It's not realistic, but it's all I can emotionally manage right now. Sorry if this is long.
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Dec 14, 2017 12:15:09 GMT -6
Post by Queen Mamadala on Dec 14, 2017 12:15:09 GMT -6
I don't have real life white friends. It's not because I don't want to, but because white people usually don't live where I live. My husband is white, so him and his family are basically it for me with regards to white folks. And of course, past co-workers but not the same. But most of my friends are mainly Hispanic or black. I think I've mentioned this before, but I have a hard time getting out of my head when I'm around white folks. I can't be my usual self - Like how I am with my regular friends. It's weird to explain. so i understand what Queen Mamadala means when she says "arms length". This forum and my bmb is the most dose of white people after my husband. I use to be really active with this group of online moms and i stopped because a few were "I voted for trump because it benefits me, my family and our monies" "pro-life" etc. I just have a hard time continuing to engage so I just don't anymore because I feel disingenuous now. Even the liberal moms kind of stood there to sooth the white fragility. So I'm sort of done with that regard. It's safer in my bubble. It's not realistic, but it's all I can emotionally manage right now. Sorry if this is long. I've told my husband that someone needs to create a dating site/app version for making friends. I really don't do the making friends thing in-person. I need to vet the person before investing too much of my time and energy. I've been down that road before, and although it's been more than a decade, I still remember how those interactions played out. My ex-h was AD military and we'd often have to attend mando fun days. Military culture isn't exactly known for being inclusive and welcoming and there's a strong undercurrent of low-key and overt racism, misogyny, bigotry, xenophobia, and anti-LGBTQIA. The microagressions and racist jokes that are "just meant to be funny" in mixed company. Even among the spouses. We eventually distanced ourselves from the culture and moved an hour from base. It solidified my preference for sticking to support forums to make friends because I can better screen and vet people. That's been my thing for 13 years and it hasn't failed me. Outside of old peers from school, everyone and anyone I call a friend, I met on a message board or online group, and it took time to flesh them out before I could get comfortable with them. And many of the white women I've become friends with have come a long way in their understanding of social justice and the scope and effects of whiteness. But I don't be doing that friend thing off the net. I also teach my kids to use good judgment when deciding who to associate with and be observant of other kids' behaviors, prejudices and attitudes. I can't get behind the thinking that kids should make friends with others kids because...playmate! Nah. I teach them from early on to not be indiscriminate when it comes to the type of people you interact with. Just because they're in close proximity or share a class or two or three does not mean they're compatible friends. I certainly don't like everyone or have the desire to make nice with folks I share a class or work with. It's okay to have acquaintances and real friends, who know your value, your worth, who respect you, get you, who aren't miniature bigots and racists, who aren't toxic little fragile shitheads, etc. There are shitty adults and shitty kids, and it's important to teach kids to pick better friends. My oldest had that lesson in third grade. She eventually learned that just because you share a class and like Minecraft does not mean you'll make good friends. She became more observant and careful about the classmates she interacts with. It was middle school when she started to realize commonalities influence and affect these dynamics. We had many talks about the social dynamics of middle and high school leading up to her first day. Her core group were all kids of color and fellow honors students. We had ongoing talks about racial inequality at different levels of society, including public education. We talked about her white-passing privilege and what it affords her in society compared to other peers, including her friends. I won't have her be a fragile white-passing kid who is oblivious to racial inequality and many layers of bigotry and injustice. They may not seem like important talks to have with kids, but it absolutely is, as it serves the basis for how they view, interact and navigate this world. These discussions very much influence how they view others and form friendships and relationships. There was a very brief period where she started hanging out with a classmate, who is half Mexican (mother is white), that started talking about Trump being a good choice. It was after a slumber party where her mom made small talk with some of the other parents about the election results. The area we live leans blue. Three miles north and it's red. Her mom is pro-trump. Soon after dd1 started distancing herself from said classmate. She also said she was a bit too "on" as dd1 is introverted and tends to prefer fellow introverts to hangout with. Her two friends at the new school seem cool and "woke." The boy likes to criticize sexist behavior and talk about philosophy. (From what I could find, his parents and grandparents are liberal, support BLM and seem pretty vocal about inequality and social justice issues.) I know less about the girl 'cause according to dd1, they mostly just read during lunch. Nerds.
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Post by Queen Mamadala on Dec 14, 2017 13:17:00 GMT -6
miawallace , my last BMB was a giant fucking shitshow of covert and over racism (a shit-ton of blue lives matter claptrap) white nonsense and fragility. I was one of a handful of WoC in the group that later spawned a few more groups after the FB group imploded, like, twice during the election season and after. Those ladies knew my M.O. from TB days. It was no surprise that I was a very vocal intersectional "SJW" and had no problem calling out bullshit. I purged most of them, even the well-educated liberal white women who seemed perplexed as to why I "shared so many things about race." They were so insulted in their UMC white bubbles and white feminism and privilege that true inequality and inequity was oblivious to them. The overt and covert racists and bigots were dead to me, so I gave no shits about them and their nonsense, but was disappointed, though not surprised, by the white women with Black and brown babies that caped for fragile racist white women and pulled that "I see no color. Kumbaya, let's hold hands, everyone." nonsense. They were just as bad, if not worse, because they were in denial and delusional because their whiteness doesn't allow them to see and experience injustice firsthand, despite raising kids of color who do not pass. I don't give those women a pass, either. They need to do better. Their proximity to PoC changes not a damn thing if the only lens they use is their white lens sprinkled with bits of color. They still don't get it. I barely participate in my current BMB because it's a hot mess, too. Same shit, different day. My previous due date clubs weren't big on really delving into meaty issues and kept it light and baby/kid/family-centered. I've stuck with those 'cause I can only deal with so much foolishness. The majority of mom groups I'm active in are intersectional and social justice focused, or make it known they don't tolerate problematic folks and all the -isms. Those have become more of a safe space, but they're not perfect, just less of a clusterfuck compared to others.
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Dec 14, 2017 13:48:21 GMT -6
Post by jkjacq on Dec 14, 2017 13:48:21 GMT -6
Queen Mamadala, thank you for your posts. I know you are not meaning to educate necessarily but I'm learning so much and its truly appreciated.
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Dec 14, 2017 16:13:37 GMT -6
Post by jkjacq on Dec 14, 2017 16:13:37 GMT -6
On FB, I made a list about white women that has close to 100 comments. Two of the white women have asked me to host a convo or initiative on this and I’m just gobsmacked. No, I am not doing your work for you for free! Ummm wow. I appreciate learning from what others choose to share, but I would never presume to ask them to flat out teach me. I'm sincere when I say I'm appreciative when experiences are shared here that are not mine. I live in wonderbread land and trying to find a different perspective IRL is not easy.
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Dec 14, 2017 16:28:53 GMT -6
Post by jkjacq on Dec 14, 2017 16:28:53 GMT -6
Ummm wow. I appreciate learning from what others choose to share, but I would never presume to ask them to flat out teach me. I'm sincere when I say I'm appreciative when experiences are shared here that are not mine. I live in wonderbread land and trying to find a different perspective IRL is not easy. No it’s wven worse than that. It’s me organizing a forum for them to figure out how to talk to fellow white women. I am not teaching anything. Lol. I'm imaging you looking exactly like your avatar when you read that. because just no
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Post by Minerva on Dec 14, 2017 18:22:54 GMT -6
Ummm wow. I appreciate learning from what others choose to share, but I would never presume to ask them to flat out teach me. I'm sincere when I say I'm appreciative when experiences are shared here that are not mine. I live in wonderbread land and trying to find a different perspective IRL is not easy. No it’s even worse than that. It’s me organizing a forum for them to figure out how to talk to fellow white women. I am not teaching anything. Lol. Wut? ::Head-desk::
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Dec 14, 2017 18:54:35 GMT -6
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On FB, I made a list about white women that has close to 100 comments. Two of the white women have asked me to host a convo or initiative on this and I’m just gobsmacked. No, I am not doing your work for you for free! That’s offensive. I’m sorry.
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Dec 14, 2017 22:26:33 GMT -6
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Post by sterling on Dec 14, 2017 22:26:33 GMT -6
Ummm wow. I appreciate learning from what others choose to share, but I would never presume to ask them to flat out teach me. I'm sincere when I say I'm appreciative when experiences are shared here that are not mine. I live in wonderbread land and trying to find a different perspective IRL is not easy. No it’s even worse than that. It’s me organizing a forum for them to figure out how to talk to fellow white women. I am not teaching anything. Lol. What, you don't want to host this week's "white women talk near their black friend" event?
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