Impeachment inquiry/proceedings

[dc2london]

.@jillwinebanks: You could #impeach Pence first. The problem is #DonaldTrump then has to name his replacement. I think maybe a deal could be struck where he is told if you don't make a replacement then #NancyPelosi does become president. #AMJoy t.co/ahijhCcpnQ

[jkjacq]

So the spin is
Do you really think he means what he’s saying?

[cakewench]

Oct 6, 2019 6:43:43 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Oh! For those who followed along with the Mueller investigation, that judge is our good friend Amy Berman Jackson

[cakewench]

Ugh why are gifs posted directly from my phone not working? Annoying.

[dc2london]

I was on the bench of, "Just hold the vote in the full House to shut them up, Nancy" but I changed my mind over the past few days.
This GOP move goalposts like they breathe. Congress is a separate and coequal branch of government and POTUS does NOT get to tell the Speaker of the House how to do her job. If she gives him an inch he will take a light year.

[jkjacq]

Oct 6, 2019 7:51:11 GMT -6 dc2london said:

I was on the bench of, "Just hold the vote in the full House to shut them up, Nancy" but I changed my mind over the past few days.
This GOP move goalposts like they breathe. Congress is a separate and coequal branch of government and POTUS does NOT get to tell the Speaker of the House how to do her job. If she gives him an inch he will take a light year.

Same bench
A formal impeachment inquiry would pass the House. It’s a delay tactic
Although It was said this am that if a vote is taken then the president counsel has the right to be in the depos? I don’t know how true that is

Also this isn’t criminal proceedings the same rules don’t apply so I don’t know

[dc2london]

Oct 6, 2019 7:56:25 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Oct 6, 2019 7:51:11 GMT -6 dc2london said:

I was on the bench of, "Just hold the vote in the full House to shut them up, Nancy" but I changed my mind over the past few days.
This GOP move goalposts like they breathe. Congress is a separate and coequal branch of government and POTUS does NOT get to tell the Speaker of the House how to do her job. If she gives him an inch he will take a light year.

Same bench
A formal impeachment inquiry would pass the House. It’s a delay tactic
Although It was said this am that if a vote is taken then the president counsel has the right to be in the depos? I don’t know how true that is

Also this isn’t criminal proceedings the same rules don’t apply so I don’t know

His personal counsel or WH Counsel?

[jkjacq]

Oct 6, 2019 7:59:00 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Oct 6, 2019 7:56:25 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Same bench
A formal impeachment inquiry would pass the House. It’s a delay tactic
Although It was said this am that if a vote is taken then the president counsel has the right to be in the depos? I don’t know how true that is

Also this isn’t criminal proceedings the same rules don’t apply so I don’t know

His personal counsel or WH Counsel?

I think wh but my dog was whining so I’m not 💯 positive

[Minerva]

I checked out from the news for one day to go to the pumpkin patch and binge watch some Sherlock and now I feel like I’m running a marathon trying to catch up on everything that happened on Saturday.

[jkjacq]

Oct 6, 2019 8:22:32 GMT -6 Minerva said:

I checked out from the news for one day to go to the pumpkin patch and binge watch some Sherlock and now I feel like I’m running a marathon trying to catch up on everything that happened on Saturday.

You’re fine it’s mostly rehash of the week
AFAIK no new crime committed in the past 24 hours

[dc2london]

Oct 6, 2019 8:04:02 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Oct 6, 2019 7:59:00 GMT -6 dc2london said:

His personal counsel or WH Counsel?

I think wh but my dog was whining so I’m not 💯 positive

Well highly regarded legal mind Kevin McCarthy seems to think it does.
I question anything the Minority Leader says but I would *think* he ran this letter by Minority Counsel before sending it

[cakewench]

The Ferris jokes were great.

[jkjacq]

Oct 6, 2019 8:25:46 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Oct 6, 2019 8:04:02 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

I think wh but my dog was whining so I’m not 💯 positive

Well highly regarded legal mind Kevin McCarthy seems to think it does.
I question anything the Minority Leader says but I would *think* he ran this letter by Minority Counsel before sending it

Hmmm
So if were going with treating this like a criminal trial at this point the house is the prosecution and pulling the information together
They decide to send it to the court, or in this case the senate which is where the defense would present their case
So imo this let’s be equal and give the defense a chance seems a bit premature no?

Also for an administration who is all about breaking political norms I think they need to stop trying to play it to their advantage now

[dc2london]

Oct 6, 2019 8:35:26 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Oct 6, 2019 8:25:46 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Well highly regarded legal mind Kevin McCarthy seems to think it does.
I question anything the Minority Leader says but I would *think* he ran this letter by Minority Counsel before sending it

Hmmm
So if were going with treating this like a criminal trial at this point the house is the prosecution and pulling the information together
They decide to send it to the court, or in this case the senate which is where the defense would present their case
So imo this let’s be equal and give the defense a chance seems a bit premature no?

Also for an administration who is all about breaking political norms I think they need to stop trying to play it to their advantage now

But Impeachment isn't a legal process it's a political one. The rules are different.
The House functions as the prosecutorial role but the evidentiary standards are entirely different. The WH gets to speak their peace during the trial.

I mean if they want to say this should operate like a criminal trial, he is basically suggesting here that all the cops have to vote on investigating and the suspect's lawyers get to shout at them about how they conduct their investigation and sit in on witness interviews. That nuts.

[dc2london]

That whole reasoning doesn't exist in our criminal justice system and is exactly why grand jury materials are kept 100% confidential (and we know how dedicated the Republicans are to closely guarding 6(e) materials, right Attorney general Barr?)

[jkjacq]

Oct 6, 2019 8:41:04 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Oct 6, 2019 8:35:26 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Hmmm
So if were going with treating this like a criminal trial at this point the house is the prosecution and pulling the information together
They decide to send it to the court, or in this case the senate which is where the defense would present their case
So imo this let’s be equal and give the defense a chance seems a bit premature no?

Also for an administration who is all about breaking political norms I think they need to stop trying to play it to their advantage now

But Impeachment isn't a legal process it's a political one. The rules are different.
The House functions as the prosecutorial role but the evidentiary standards are entirely different. The WH gets to speak their peace during the trial.

I mean if they want to say this should operate like a criminal trial, he is basically suggesting here that all the cops have to vote on investigating and the suspect's lawyers get to shout at them about how they conduct their investigation and sit in on witness interviews. That nuts.

But that’s where the right seems to be trying to pull this whole thing it seems
Or am I off base
Because gaetz and shouty love nothing more than shouting at people for their sound byte

[dc2london]

Oct 6, 2019 8:44:39 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

Oct 6, 2019 8:41:04 GMT -6 dc2london said:

But Impeachment isn't a legal process it's a political one. The rules are different.
The House functions as the prosecutorial role but the evidentiary standards are entirely different. The WH gets to speak their peace during the trial.

I mean if they want to say this should operate like a criminal trial, he is basically suggesting here that all the cops have to vote on investigating and the suspect's lawyers get to shout at them about how they conduct their investigation and sit in on witness interviews. That nuts.

But that’s where the right seems to be trying to pull this whole thing it seems
Or am I off base
Because gaetz and shouty love nothing more than shouting at people for their sound byte

I think they can't quibble with the facts so they are attacking the process

[jaygee]

Duly elected my ass.

Just waking up and that’s as far as I can get into the McCarthy nonsense

[jkjacq]

Oct 6, 2019 8:50:44 GMT -6 dc2london said:

Oct 6, 2019 8:44:39 GMT -6 jkjacq said:

But that’s where the right seems to be trying to pull this whole thing it seems
Or am I off base
Because gaetz and shouty love nothing more than shouting at people for their sound byte

I think they can't quibble with the facts so they are attacking the process

I’m trying to figure out how to get past all the right noise when I explain this and this is helpful btw
Because as the resident liberal in my office these are the things they bring and have to refute.
I can explain the fec rule til I’m blue but it doesn’t get to them

[dc2london]

In which Colonel Sanders huffs some paint and talks for a while

[dc2london]

WHOA

🚨🚨🚨Lev Parnas told associates that "Trump planned to remove U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and replace her with someone more open to aiding their business interests."

[lemondrop]

Oct 5, 2019 10:32:13 GMT -6 flippinchica said:

So essentially he ( Barr) wants a conservative Christian version of Sharia law. Great.

I know I reference the Handmaid's Tale a lot, but this is very much The Handmaid's Tale. 

[dc2london]

JUST IN: House Democrats have subpoenaed the Pentagon and OMB for documents related to the withholding of military assistance aid to Ukraine
Pentagon: t.co/dNwxd7rlsU
OMB: t.co/gaYYBVicPu

[dc2london]

Glacial movement from Portman

www.dispatch.com/news/20191007/ohio-gop-sen-rob-portman-trump-wrong-to-seek-help-from-ukraine-china

[CurlieWhirlie]

Oct 7, 2019 7:51:29 GMT -6 lemondrop said:

Oct 5, 2019 10:32:13 GMT -6 flippinchica said:

So essentially he ( Barr) wants a conservative Christian version of Sharia law. Great.

I know I reference the Handmaid's Tale a lot, but this is very much The Handmaid's Tale. 

I think an important distinction is that Sharia Law is not intended to be imposed on anyone who is not Muslim. It's like a Jewish person demanding that the whole world keep kosher. That would be crazy. It's a system internal to the religion, like codified religious dogma and some rules for how to be a good Muslim. 

If that's all the conservative Christian political creeps like Barr and Pence wanted, a better-documented internal rulebook for how to be the best Christian, then fine! It wouldn't affect most of us!

Handmaid's Tale level conservative Christian version is the one where that white straight Christian male vision of how everyone should live their lives IS actually imposed on everyone, forcibly, and codified into secular law. It's fucking way more terrifying. 

[cakewench]

Rudy's attorney writes he won't cooperate with inquiry.

Wrote the letter IN COMIC SANS.

[notblanche]

Oct 7, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -6 cakewench said:

Rudy's attorney writes he won't cooperate with inquiry.

Wrote the letter IN COMIC SANS.

Where is Ashton already? This must be Punk'd.

[jkjacq]

Oct 7, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -6 cakewench said:

Rudy's attorney writes he won't cooperate with inquiry.

Wrote the letter IN COMIC SANS.

Did they hire Rudy as an attorney?  because the letter says THEY were represented by him.

[starbuck]

Oct 7, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -6 cakewench said:

Rudy's attorney writes he won't cooperate with inquiry.

Wrote the letter IN COMIC SANS.

[tater]

Of fucking course it was in Comic Sans. Jesus.