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Post by jkjacq on Jul 27, 2021 9:41:50 GMT -6
I was called as a national guardsman during the summer riots, but not once did I ever feel like our democracy was threatened.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 9:42:49 GMT -6
Kinzinger recalls his experience in the National Guard last summer. Says democracy and self governance were never under threat during the protests in summer 2020.
"There is a difference between rejecting the law and rejecting the rule of law"
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 9:43:41 GMT -6
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Post by starbuck on Jul 27, 2021 9:44:39 GMT -6
Kinzinger blowing up the notion that rioters were unarmed.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 9:45:32 GMT -6
Kinzinger: is this ancient history? Is it time to move on?
Hodges: "There can be no moving on without accountability, there can be no healing until we know it can never happen again "
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 27, 2021 9:46:35 GMT -6
Kinzinger Was this an armed insurrection?
Gonell well duh.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 27, 2021 9:47:19 GMT -6
For the nonsarc answer
Yes, they were common items but they were used as weapons. it doesnt matter if it was a pen, it was a weapon
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Post by starbuck on Jul 27, 2021 9:49:08 GMT -6
Kinzinger starts crying again thanking the officers.
Officer Dunn jumps in to note that he doesn't know many officers who carry their badge without their gun. He says he saw "prints" on their hips but could not clearly say they were guns. But anecdotally he feels off duty officers at Capitol were indeed armed.
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Post by richard on Jul 27, 2021 9:49:13 GMT -6
I just started watching and woof, these officers.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 9:49:28 GMT -6
Schiff: "I'm convinced one of the lives you saved on that day could very well have been my own"
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 27, 2021 9:49:37 GMT -6
Ofc Dunn responding I had people showing their badge, I dont know too many police officers who carry their badge but not their gun, i looked at their hip and saw the print.
Print is the outline of a firearm.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 9:51:33 GMT -6
Video of terrorist shouting in Sgt Gonell's face "you're gonna die tonight."
He says he was thinking, "We can't let these people in, even if it costs my life." Even after sustaining injuries, he "didn't even consider" backing down
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 27, 2021 9:54:39 GMT -6
Ofc Gonell recognizes and points out his bloody hand in the video.
Says its demoralizing to hear the denial of what happened. Its my job to protect you guys.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 9:55:14 GMT -6
Sgt Gonell's wife asked him not to go back after he came home, injured, to wash the bear and wasp spray off of himself, but he went back anyway
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Post by enchanted on Jul 27, 2021 9:56:12 GMT -6
Sgt Gonell's wife asked him not to go back after he came home, injured, to wash the bear and wasp spray off of himself, but he went back anyway He's a hero.* She must have been absolutely terrified. ETA: * All of them defending the Capitol and the people inside that day were.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 9:56:15 GMT -6
Sgt Gonell is calling out the Republicans in front of the Justice Department demanding the release of the terrorists
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Post by starbuck on Jul 27, 2021 9:59:23 GMT -6
Officer Dunn says he guesses this is America, "but it shouldn't be."
It's not the side he likes, it's not the side he or the other officers represent. It's not the side of people who believe in human decency. Whether we disagree with how hey vote about infrastructure, they just want the best for others.
He is encouraged that there are Republicans on the committees. This is the side he likes and acknowledges.
(I'm not doing justice to him in that summary)
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 10:00:02 GMT -6
Officer Dunn says that the four men sitting before the committee fought a war that day, and wars are comprised of different battles. They each fought different battles, and one of his was having the cor of his skin used to cause him.pain
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 10:00:12 GMT -6
Schiff is crying too
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Post by starbuck on Jul 27, 2021 10:00:16 GMT -6
Schiff in tears.
HOLD HIM, DC
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 10:00:28 GMT -6
Crying "must be an Adam thing today" he says <3
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Post by starbuck on Jul 27, 2021 10:00:35 GMT -6
"crying must be an Adam thing today"
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 10:00:37 GMT -6
Schiff in tears. HOLD HIM, DC I got this!
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Post by clucky on Jul 27, 2021 10:00:47 GMT -6
This is even more intense than watching it unfold in real time and the videos that came across in the days after. I’m not sure if it is because of my mental place because of my uncle and seeing their badges or not.
PDQ this part *poof*
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 10:03:25 GMT -6
Officer Hodges says they knew there were firearms in the crowd but there wasn't much they could individually do about it in the moment
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 10:04:14 GMT -6
Hodges: I was wondering how many .ore bombs are there? What's the trigger? If we open fore, is that the line where they pull their guns out and fire on us?
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Post by starbuck on Jul 27, 2021 10:04:39 GMT -6
I am really surprised at how raw and hot I am getting listening to this, because we are 6 months out, I've heard interviews with many of these officers before, and I saw the footage at the 2nd impeachment.
But damn it all comes right back up again. It feels very fresh. There's so much trauma around this.
I can't really imagine all these officers who lived through it and have those images, injuries, and pain from a firsthand experience haunting them.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 27, 2021 10:04:51 GMT -6
Hodges: if it turned into a firefight, we would have lost. And this was a situation we could not lose.
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 27, 2021 10:05:16 GMT -6
Its definitely a different view watching it six months later than in the moment. But the feeling of horror remains.
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Post by starbuck on Jul 27, 2021 10:07:05 GMT -6
Gonell is listing all the weapons used against officers that day. It's a long fucking list.
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