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Post by thatgolfb on Jul 19, 2021 12:53:36 GMT -6
We lied about my 11 year old's age and got him vaccinated. After talking to a doctor about it, if that needs to be said. Maybe that's a confession. I’m kind of shocked this flew, actually. In the clinics I’ve worked we’ve turned a lot of kids (well, their parents) lying about their ages away. We started requiring proof because of the number of people coaching their kids to lie about their birthdates. I’d be upset as a vaccinator because you essentially led someone into a med error. But as a parent, I do understand. This is where I fall. As a parent, I get it. But if someone could lose their license over your lie? Eesh. IDK.
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Post by addymac on Jul 19, 2021 12:57:18 GMT -6
I am so worried about the delta variant. It feels like every day I find out about more adults who are turning positive despite having the vaccine. So I am very worried about being around an non-vaccinated person without a mask, but luckily that is very few and far between.
DS is always masked anywhere there are lots of people or on playgrounds and always indoors. His school has a mask. We mask up at work (hospital) and any indoor venue (grocery store).
I cannot fathom someone not masking their child indoors or somewhere with lots of kids like a busy playground. Any chance of being around an unvaccinated person and I mask my kid. He still goes to in person school, summer camp, and play dates (so far outdoors only). To him masks are a part of life and he doesn’t think twice about it.
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Post by hawkward on Jul 19, 2021 13:00:40 GMT -6
I’m kind of shocked this flew, actually. In the clinics I’ve worked we’ve turned a lot of kids (well, their parents) lying about their ages away. We started requiring proof because of the number of people coaching their kids to lie about their birthdates. I’d be upset as a vaccinator because you essentially led someone into a med error. But as a parent, I do understand. This is where I fall. As a parent, I get it. But if someone could lose their license over your lie? Eesh. IDK. That’s why I see a big difference in fudging your BMI compared to adding a few weeks to your kid’s age. One will get a scolding. The other could seriously damage someone’s career.
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Post by pearbear on Jul 19, 2021 13:06:18 GMT -6
pearbear I'm sorry you're still feeling cruddy. An antibody test would still tell you if you'd had COVID or not regardless of vaccination status. I was thinking that since I had the vaccine I would show positive for antibodies anyway and therefore wouldn't know for sure if I also had Covid. I'll have to look into this more though. If I can get a test to know for sure, I'd love that.
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Post by gingy on Jul 19, 2021 13:09:05 GMT -6
An elderly family friend who had covid, survived, and got the shot, has covid again (someone brought it to him, he has caregivers in his home). That was sobering and I am acting like I don't have the vaccine right now, procedure wise. Missouri is really crazy with Covid right now, isn’t it? I’m sure she won’t respond to this, but we are. And it sucks. I hate this fucking state. We’re at 35% or so vaccinated. And it’s been at that number for a long time. I’m so anxious for our students to come back. We’re not asking for vax cards the way some campuses are. So I’m going to assume most of them aren’t and mask up again in the office. There are only four staff and we’ve all been vaxxed for months. I am incredibly grateful that SD’s mom took her for her vaccine while she was away. 3/4 in our home are better protected now.
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Post by AmyG on Jul 19, 2021 13:10:04 GMT -6
This is where I fall. As a parent, I get it. But if someone could lose their license over your lie? Eesh. IDK. That’s why I see a big difference in fudging your BMI compared to adding a few weeks to your kid’s age. One will get a scolding. The other could seriously damage someone’s career. Well unless the dr put it in writing to advise you to lie about the kids age, I don't think anyone is losing their license over a one off. Of course if dr told hundreds of parents to lie to get vac early, and then the kids had an adverse reaction, then maybe but even then, I don't think there's gonna be adverse reactions in kids outside of what we already see in regular population.
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Post by Cher on Jul 19, 2021 13:11:35 GMT -6
This is probably a dumb question - and I WILL do my own research as well; but does anyone know the status of vaccination approval outside of the emergency approval? H and I are both vaccinated but he is very very hesitant to get our girls vaccinated when it comes available because of all of the unknowns. . I don’t think he’s alone in that. The stuff coming out about the vaccine and kid’s hearts is scary stuff. I will vaccinate them because I’m sick of this bullshit but I hate that we’re even in this situation.
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Post by snowyowl on Jul 19, 2021 13:14:45 GMT -6
With the significant caveat that I live in an area where masks are still fairly common and popular and we are among the most vaccinated states… Since my kids and myself were all in school for the entirety of last year, even when numbers were horrendous, I’m not really concerned about going back. There was no significant spread stemming from most kids in the state going back to school full-time last September. What that will look like in states where they are not going to take covid seriously, however, I don’t know. I believe unvaccinated children will be wearing masks. All the other precautions will be loosened but it’s definitely not back to what it was pre-covid. I’m hoping that will continue to keep my kids safe until they can get shots (3 and 5). I am lucky that I teach 13-15 year olds, and most parents seem to be opting to vaccinate.
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Post by hawkward on Jul 19, 2021 13:15:42 GMT -6
That’s why I see a big difference in fudging your BMI compared to adding a few weeks to your kid’s age. One will get a scolding. The other could seriously damage someone’s career. Well unless the dr put it in writing to advise you to lie about the kids age, I don't think anyone is losing their license over a one off. Of course if dr told hundreds of parents to lie to get vac early, and then the kids had an adverse reaction, then maybe but even then, I don't think there's gonna be adverse reactions in kids outside of what we already see in regular population. As I said, it’s the person who actually administers the shot who will have to prove that they confirmed the patient’s information, not the doc who shrugged and said lie. I will go ahead and listen to the Department of Public Health on this one rather than a non-medical person on the internet.
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Post by AmyG on Jul 19, 2021 13:17:30 GMT -6
Well unless the dr put it in writing to advise you to lie about the kids age, I don't think anyone is losing their license over a one off. Of course if dr told hundreds of parents to lie to get vac early, and then the kids had an adverse reaction, then maybe but even then, I don't think there's gonna be adverse reactions in kids outside of what we already see in regular population. As I said, it’s the person who actually administers the shot who will have to prove that they confirmed the patient’s information, not the doc who shrugged and said lie. I will go ahead and listen to the Department of Public Health on this one rather than a non-medical person on the internet. If the location is not asking for birth certificate to prove age of a 12 year old, the whole location is at fault, not just the person giving the shot following their locations protocols
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Post by hawkward on Jul 19, 2021 13:18:46 GMT -6
As I said, it’s the person who actually administers the shot who will have to prove that they confirmed the patient’s information, not the doc who shrugged and said lie. I will go ahead and listen to the Department of Public Health on this one rather than a non-medical person on the internet. If the location is not asking for birth certificate to prove age of a 12 year old, the whole location is at fault, not just the person giving the shot following their locations protocols Okay. I’m done arguing this. Like I said, I will continue listening to the guidelines of the VDH rep I work with and the state board of nursing.
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Post by hawkward on Jul 19, 2021 13:21:04 GMT -6
This is probably a dumb question - and I WILL do my own research as well; but does anyone know the status of vaccination approval outside of the emergency approval? H and I are both vaccinated but he is very very hesitant to get our girls vaccinated when it comes available because of all of the unknowns. Both girls will be going back to school in person mid-August. Add me to the list of those who had to weigh the health vs. mental health risks. Both girls (and me) have lasting challenges as a result of distance learning last year (8yo was self harming for a time before we got her into therapy and the 5yo has developed separation anxiety). Last I heard, the school will not be requiring masks. I'll have my girls wear them to school; but I am under no delusions that they'll keep them on if all their friends aren't wearing them. Definitely talk to your pediatrician, but I can tell you they’re working on it. The full approval process takes time and money basically. I understand the hesitation but also I’m confident in the research I’ve seen.
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Post by greykitty on Jul 19, 2021 13:26:48 GMT -6
I'm probably getting a COVID test later this week, since I have a scheduled endoscopy. Been fully vaccinated since mid-April (Moderna). Would I be shocked if I had asymptomatic COVID? No, but that's not what I'm expecting. My area has a decent vaccine uptake, and I've been out and about maskless unless requested or mandated (vet/dentist).
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Post by joy on Jul 19, 2021 13:26:53 GMT -6
piratecat Ds1 developed a low grade fever this weekend with no other Covid symptoms (he was tired but had slept like crap in the days before). Our pediatrician advised since he didn’t have head/respiratory symptoms and the viruses they’ve been seeing in office combined with our local rate (4 active cases in the county) that he didn’t warrant a test. I still feel like I’m doing something wrong though. I didn't read joy's post carefully. I guess it does depend on which symptom(s). I've had my kid vomit and the pediatrician would have written a note to return to preschool without a test -- they said since it is considered a secondary symptom. But I've also had multiple instances where the pediatrician was fine not testing but also gave me the option to test, for peace of mind and because my husband is immunocompromised. If my kids had symptoms that would keep them from daycare I would be asking for a test. Honestly, this is my issue: delta has slightly different symptoms than OG covid. It’s more cold symptoms and low grade fevers. Some places are reporting that all people with cold symptoms should be tested. I asked the pediatrician specifically about guidance due to delta variant and I got no direct answer about delta. Daycare is still interested only in sore throats and headaches. I can’t get a handle on whether either group has updated their guidelines relative to delta or not. It all feels murky now for me. I felt like I had a handle on what to do before delta rolled in.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jul 19, 2021 13:28:36 GMT -6
That’s why I see a big difference in fudging your BMI compared to adding a few weeks to your kid’s age. One will get a scolding. The other could seriously damage someone’s career. Well unless the dr put it in writing to advise you to lie about the kids age, I don't think anyone is losing their license over a one off. Of course if dr told hundreds of parents to lie to get vac early, and then the kids had an adverse reaction, then maybe but even then, I don't think there's gonna be adverse reactions in kids outside of what we already see in regular population. I don’t really care what the odds of being found out are. It’s fucked up to risk someone’s license.
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Post by richard on Jul 19, 2021 13:30:33 GMT -6
I read a take — on politics board I think? — that the mid-winter timeline may include all kids under 12, including the 6m-under 5 set. So the 5–11 could still come sooner. At least I really want to believe that. This was me. And same.
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Post by richard on Jul 19, 2021 13:32:14 GMT -6
An elderly family friend who had covid, survived, and got the shot, has covid again (someone brought it to him, he has caregivers in his home). That was sobering and I am acting like I don't have the vaccine right now, procedure wise. Missouri is really crazy with Covid right now, isn’t it? ETA: to be clear, I'm laughing at Cher's tenacity not MO's covid cases. Before anyone starts.
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Post by richard on Jul 19, 2021 13:34:04 GMT -6
This is probably a dumb question - and I WILL do my own research as well; but does anyone know the status of vaccination approval outside of the emergency approval? H and I are both vaccinated but he is very very hesitant to get our girls vaccinated when it comes available because of all of the unknowns. Both girls will be going back to school in person mid-August. Add me to the list of those who had to weigh the health vs. mental health risks. Both girls (and me) have lasting challenges as a result of distance learning last year (8yo was self harming for a time before we got her into therapy and the 5yo has developed separation anxiety). Last I heard, the school will not be requiring masks. I'll have my girls wear them to school; but I am under no delusions that they'll keep them on if all their friends aren't wearing them. I recently read they're targeting January 2022 for full approval of Pfizer.
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Cher
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Post by Cher on Jul 19, 2021 13:35:51 GMT -6
If it’s any reassurance, I am getting tested weekly, multiple times a week sometimes, because of the fertility stuff. They told me they haven’t seen positives in forever. So, while we’re hearing about an uptick and breakthrough cases, the numbers (in most places) are still relatively low compared to what we have seen for the past year.
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Post by AnnPerkins on Jul 19, 2021 13:36:32 GMT -6
I posted asking this on my IG a few days ago because we have end of summer travel planned and the numbers have started to scare me. A few really smart, rational people have talked me down. They reminded me that the goal was never to eradicate Covid or never to get Covid. The science for the past year has been saying we will live alongside Covid and vaccines will help us lower death/hospitalization. Which is whats happening. We have an aggressive strain right now so numbers are increasing, but the research is showing vaxxed people are avoiding death/hospitalization. If this is our reality for the foreseeable future, we need to anticipate that and hope more people get vaccinated. oh, I def stole this idea from you because I needed more info from other people outside of my immediate area.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Jul 19, 2021 13:37:39 GMT -6
If it’s any reassurance, I am getting tested weekly, multiple times a week sometimes, because of the fertility stuff. They told me they haven’t seen positives in forever. So, while we’re hearing about an uptick and breakthrough cases, the numbers (in most places) are still relatively low compared to what we have seen for the past year. This is what is helping me- seeing how the case load and trends are compared to last year. And that the numbers are going up at the highest rates in places with the lowest vaccinated rates. There is a clear difference between counties here.
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Post by Cher on Jul 19, 2021 13:38:52 GMT -6
I posted asking this on my IG a few days ago because we have end of summer travel planned and the numbers have started to scare me. A few really smart, rational people have talked me down. They reminded me that the goal was never to eradicate Covid or never to get Covid. The science for the past year has been saying we will live alongside Covid and vaccines will help us lower death/hospitalization. Which is whats happening. We have an aggressive strain right now so numbers are increasing, but the research is showing vaxxed people are avoiding death/hospitalization. If this is our reality for the foreseeable future, we need to anticipate that and hope more people get vaccinated. oh, I def stole this idea from you because I needed more info from other people outside of my immediate area. It made me feel much better. A lot of people gave me links, rationale, logic. I would feel 100x better if my parents and kids were vaxxed. But I’m not feeling like I need to panic every time the numbers start to go up.
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Post by addymac on Jul 19, 2021 13:39:24 GMT -6
pearbear I'm sorry you're still feeling cruddy. An antibody test would still tell you if you'd had COVID or not regardless of vaccination status. I was thinking that since I had the vaccine I would show positive for antibodies anyway and therefore wouldn't know for sure if I also had Covid. I'll have to look into this more though. If I can get a test to know for sure, I'd love that. I’m fairly certain I heard there are tests to see if the antibodies are from the vaccine or actual CV. But how to get one, idk. Since the vaccine isnt the live or dead virus, I think they can tell the difference. Could be worth investigating.
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Post by addymac on Jul 19, 2021 13:40:17 GMT -6
If it’s any reassurance, I am getting tested weekly, multiple times a week sometimes, because of the fertility stuff. They told me they haven’t seen positives in forever. So, while we’re hearing about an uptick and breakthrough cases, the numbers (in most places) are still relatively low compared to what we have seen for the past year. I just need you to keep sending me reassuring messages and anecdotes like these so I don’t spiral. And if someone could tell my sister’s MIL to get fucking vaccinated, that’d be great!!
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Post by Cher on Jul 19, 2021 13:41:04 GMT -6
If it’s any reassurance, I am getting tested weekly, multiple times a week sometimes, because of the fertility stuff. They told me they haven’t seen positives in forever. So, while we’re hearing about an uptick and breakthrough cases, the numbers (in most places) are still relatively low compared to what we have seen for the past year. I just need you to keep sending me reassuring messages and anecdotes like these so I don’t spiral. And if someone could tell my sister’s MIL to get fucking vaccinated, that’d be great!! Would she like to attend family therapy with me and my mom?
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Post by fatpony on Jul 19, 2021 13:44:58 GMT -6
I was thinking that since I had the vaccine I would show positive for antibodies anyway and therefore wouldn't know for sure if I also had Covid. I'll have to look into this more though. If I can get a test to know for sure, I'd love that. I’m fairly certain I heard there are tests to see if the antibodies are from the vaccine or actual CV. But how to get one, idk. Since the vaccine isnt the live or dead virus, I think they can tell the difference. Could be worth investigating. If you donate blood, the Red Cross tells you.
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Post by piratecat on Jul 19, 2021 13:58:06 GMT -6
I didn't read joy's post carefully. I guess it does depend on which symptom(s). I've had my kid vomit and the pediatrician would have written a note to return to preschool without a test -- they said since it is considered a secondary symptom. But I've also had multiple instances where the pediatrician was fine not testing but also gave me the option to test, for peace of mind and because my husband is immunocompromised. If my kids had symptoms that would keep them from daycare I would be asking for a test. Honestly, this is my issue: delta has slightly different symptoms than OG covid. It’s more cold symptoms and low grade fevers. Some places are reporting that all people with cold symptoms should be tested. I asked the pediatrician specifically about guidance due to delta variant and I got no direct answer about delta. Daycare is still interested only in sore throats and headaches. I can’t get a handle on whether either group has updated their guidelines relative to delta or not. It all feels murky now for me. I felt like I had a handle on what to do before delta rolled in. Ugh, it is so frustrating. Thing are always changing and it seems like guidelines aren’t keeping up, so why not play it safe? Also, I don’t get the “unvaccinated adult in the house” thing. Why isn’t it enough that the kid is not vaccinated and socializing with other unvaccinated kids?
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Post by kmkd on Jul 19, 2021 13:59:19 GMT -6
If it’s any reassurance, I am getting tested weekly, multiple times a week sometimes, because of the fertility stuff. They told me they haven’t seen positives in forever. So, while we’re hearing about an uptick and breakthrough cases, the numbers (in most places) are still relatively low compared to what we have seen for the past year. This is what is helping me- seeing how the case load and trends are compared to last year. And that the numbers are going up at the highest rates in places with the lowest vaccinated rates. There is a clear difference between counties here. The status of NY. I like to watch the graph of hospitalizations.
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Post by teraiin on Jul 19, 2021 14:01:50 GMT -6
I’m fairly certain I heard there are tests to see if the antibodies are from the vaccine or actual CV. But how to get one, idk. Since the vaccine isnt the live or dead virus, I think they can tell the difference. Could be worth investigating. If you donate blood, the Red Cross tells you. Yes I thought that was cool. It didn’t take very long and the results showed up on the app
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Post by AnnPerkins on Jul 19, 2021 14:09:17 GMT -6
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