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Post by richard on Jul 9, 2021 7:04:50 GMT -6
Well not to muddy the booster issue - although it really is early days.... But in an unusual move, two top federal agencies said Americans don't need boosters yet and said it was not up to companies alone to decide when they might be needed. Hours after Pfizer issued its statement, the FDA and Centers for Disease and Control issued a joint statement saying Americans do not need booster shots yet. "Americans who have been fully vaccinated do not need a booster shot at this time," they said. linkThis is all about messaging. Pfizer is studying the issue. The feds don't want people to panic. I don’t know if that’s 100% true.
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Post by richard on Jul 9, 2021 7:05:11 GMT -6
Is it just me or is it kind of annoying that we are discussing boosters when young kids aren’t eligible yet? Not to mention half the world has no access? Maybe we should work on that first. Agreed
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Post by notblanche on Jul 9, 2021 7:17:09 GMT -6
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Post by notblanche on Jul 9, 2021 7:19:10 GMT -6
I'm surprised by the no booster maybe ever position though. I thought an annual booster like for flu was inevitable.
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Post by greykitty on Jul 9, 2021 7:28:26 GMT -6
abs and richard, absolutely IMO reasonable thoughts. I have thought that higher risk levels will need to be taken into consideration regarding boosters (HCWs, seniors, comorbidities) if indeed boosters will be needed. I also figured they would be, so not surprised to see it in the regular press. And, yes, I will be in line for a booster if it's shown to be protocol. To me, it's two different paths and concerns. FDA approval for vaccinating the very young is, I believe, progressing. FDA approval for tweaked boosters, if needed, for the already vaccinated is another ball of wax. We have to look at both - not a zero sum game, IMO.
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Post by lizblue on Jul 9, 2021 7:37:47 GMT -6
Is it just me or is it kind of annoying that we are discussing boosters when young kids aren’t eligible yet? Not to mention half the world has no access? Maybe we should work on that first. Agreed But we are working on that. We have to wait for the studies to be finished, and then it will be go time for kids. Right?
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Post by abs on Jul 9, 2021 7:37:58 GMT -6
abs and richard, absolutely IMO reasonable thoughts. I have thought that higher risk levels will need to be taken into consideration regarding boosters (HCWs, seniors, comorbidities) if indeed boosters will be needed. I also figured they would be, so not surprised to see it in the regular press. And, yes, I will be in line for a booster if it's shown to be protocol. To me, it's two different paths and concerns. FDA approval for vaccinating the very young is, I believe, progressing. FDA approval for tweaked boosters, if needed, for the already vaccinated is another ball of wax. We have to look at both - not a zero sum game, IMO. I get this. Truly. If boosters are needed for high risk individuals I totally support that. 100%. I am just feeling some kind of way that kids start school as early as August 1st and many states have made it impossible to require masks. I wish protecting kids was more of a priority. The booster news just reminds me how much of a non priority they are. Pfizer can update on boosters but not the kid trials? It’s also very possibly I’m projecting.
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Post by lizblue on Jul 9, 2021 7:40:45 GMT -6
Kids not being eligible for vaccines right now is not because they are not a priority. Studies are happening literally right now.
The easing of mask mandates on the other hand... yes, that is clearly not giving a shit about kids and any other person not able to be vaccinated.
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Post by lizblue on Jul 9, 2021 7:47:56 GMT -6
Has anyone read Michael Lewis' latest, The Premonition? It's really good. I am less than impressed with the CDC as a public health agency after reading it. Not just through this pandemic - throughout recent history. Also fascinating how GWB is the one who beefed up the US' pandemic response plan and then Obama kind of dismantled it--not as badly as Trump did, but Obama got super lucky that swine flu fizzled out.
However, I am 100% sure that had swine flu progressed to global pandemic, Obama would have switched course and heeded medical experts and admitted his first approach was wrong.
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Post by greykitty on Jul 9, 2021 7:49:53 GMT -6
I keep a daily eye on whether there are updates showing the fully vaccinated are liable to transmit COVID, if they contract a break-through case. To be transparent, my area is pretty well vaccinated and the numbers are looking good for cases and hospitalizations, even as a purple county. I'd probably feel differently in areas where there is little vaccination uptake.
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Post by babybean on Jul 9, 2021 8:01:59 GMT -6
Is it just me or is it kind of annoying that we are discussing boosters when young kids aren’t eligible yet? Not to mention half the world has no access? Maybe we should work on that first. I’m more concerned with the lack of vaccinating worldwide. It’s very something that we’re talking about boosters when healthcare workers and the general public in other countries continue to deal with catastrophic situations. We’ll continue getting mutations and variants because the lack of access across the globe. I understand prioritizing your population, but BIPOC folks worldwide are suffering the gravest consequences while we vaccinate and plan vacations and resume a more normal life. I’d happily give up my doses to prioritize at risk populations worldwide.
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Post by abs on Jul 9, 2021 8:10:31 GMT -6
Is it just me or is it kind of annoying that we are discussing boosters when young kids aren’t eligible yet? Not to mention half the world has no access? Maybe we should work on that first. I’m more concerned with the lack of vaccinating worldwide. It’s very something that we’re talking about boosters when healthcare workers and the general public in other countries continue to deal with catastrophic situations. We’ll continue getting mutations and variants because the lack of access across the globe. I understand prioritizing your population, but BIPOC folks worldwide are suffering the gravest consequences while we vaccinate and plan vacations and resume a more normal life. I’d happily give up my doses to prioritize at risk populations worldwide. 100%. I think about this a lot.
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Post by richard on Jul 9, 2021 8:22:02 GMT -6
But we are working on that. We have to wait for the studies to be finished, and then it will be go time for kids. Right? You are right. I think it's moving along and one doesn't have to do with the other. But I am annoyed that I saw a big PFIZER NEWS alert and it was not an update on the kiddo vaccines.
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Post by clucky on Jul 9, 2021 8:25:54 GMT -6
I’m going to, apparently, pop back in like I wasn’t here during baseball season, swimming and a WI vacation. I was barely hanging on with the stress of being around so many strangers, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t helping with my migraines. My apologies.
Our governor decided that he would end the covid emergency, thus stopping the dashboard at the end of June. Still had CWS here and ALL the people it brings, not only for college, but every level below that to the metro. Unsurprisingly, we have had a large spike in cases with hospitalizations and none of the information is readily available. It is nice to see that other states aren’t completely putting their heads in the sand.
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Post by sweetpea on Jul 9, 2021 9:30:09 GMT -6
If only my kids could be vaccinated and I trusted other parents. Ugh
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Post by cnf on Jul 9, 2021 9:31:21 GMT -6
CDC put out new school masking guidelines. I teach middle school a lot of my students are already vaccinated or working through their series. I can absolutely see my school requiring proof of vaccine to the district in order to be eligible to drop their masks. I can also see them blanketing masks district wide still. It's a gamble. Sometimes my SI has been very conservative in her approach, other times very... not.
I feel for DD1 though. She's going to be super bummed about masks I'm school again, though I'm fine with it. She has already expressed interest in getting vaccinated asap when she's eligible because she realizes that's her ticket to normalcy.
I'd definitely be happy to not have to wear a mask come fall,but I also don't mind doing it. I'm vaccinated and recovered but I'm happy to wear a mask as long as I have to in order to protect others. I just can't help feel so sad for the littles who once again are being left out of the return to regular life,watching it unfold around them and being told no.
I have a lot of mixed feelings.
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Post by sweetpea on Jul 9, 2021 9:34:17 GMT -6
Also CDC recommendations specifically call for unvaccinated students and staff to continue mask-wearing and encourages schools to offer voluntary routine testing at least once a week. Encourages three feet of distancing among unvaccinated kids in the classroom, but says that recommendation shouldn’t prevent classrooms from reopening
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 9:59:57 GMT -6
I think for the schools to adopt the CDc guidance they are going to have to require proof of vaccine. Which will be interesting and I think see a push for some towards homeschooling since they don’t want their child vaccinated but don’t want them masked either. That or it will push parents over the hesitance you vaccinate their child and they will get them vaccinated.
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Post by goldenbird on Jul 9, 2021 10:16:30 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure they are working towards approval for the 5-11 and 2-5 groups as fast as possible. I don't think trials and such can be speeded up. They have to follow a certain protocol or it could fuck everything up.
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Post by jaygee on Jul 9, 2021 10:18:58 GMT -6
I get what you all are saying about the boosters but it would be a huge public health failure if people who are considered fully vaccinated now start having less immunity to the point where they are spreading the virus again. Especially with not being able to reach herd immunity levels with vaccinations we have to protect the people are willing and able to get the vaccine and make sure they are as vaccinated as possible (lol that sounds funny) to have any chance at outrunning variants and just lingering virus.
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Post by jaygee on Jul 9, 2021 10:20:04 GMT -6
Has anyone read Michael Lewis' latest, The Premonition? It's really good. I am less than impressed with the CDC as a public health agency after reading it. Not just through this pandemic - throughout recent history. Also fascinating how GWB is the one who beefed up the US' pandemic response plan and then Obama kind of dismantled it--not as badly as Trump did, but Obama got super lucky that swine flu fizzled out. However, I am 100% sure that had swine flu progressed to global pandemic, Obama would have switched course and heeded medical experts and admitted his first approach was wrong. It’s on my list as one of my favorite talk show hosts talks about it daily.
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Post by ldubhawksfan on Jul 9, 2021 10:43:19 GMT -6
I think for the schools to adopt the CDc guidance they are going to have to require proof of vaccine. Which will be interesting and I think see a push for some towards homeschooling since they don’t want their child vaccinated but don’t want them masked either. That or it will push parents over the hesitance you vaccinate their child and they will get them vaccinated. I don’t know. Seeing how some school districts bent to parents wanting their kids to unmask for the last few weeks if school based on the cdc guidance about vaccinated adults, I feel like many are just going to say kids should mask but not require it. 😒
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Post by lemondrop on Jul 9, 2021 11:03:44 GMT -6
PDQ: I've been running booster studies for months (generally on the west coast). The issue is finding people to take the booster, we've declined several just based on patient population. Everyone is over it, particularly those who are already fully vaccinated.
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Post by nelzie on Jul 9, 2021 11:09:09 GMT -6
Has anyone read Michael Lewis' latest, The Premonition? It's really good. I am less than impressed with the CDC as a public health agency after reading it. Not just through this pandemic - throughout recent history. Also fascinating how GWB is the one who beefed up the US' pandemic response plan and then Obama kind of dismantled it--not as badly as Trump did, but Obama got super lucky that swine flu fizzled out. However, I am 100% sure that had swine flu progressed to global pandemic, Obama would have switched course and heeded medical experts and admitted his first approach was wrong. I've really been looking forward to reading this. I'm finally next on the holds list at the library.
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Post by goldenbird on Jul 9, 2021 12:13:32 GMT -6
lemondrop well fuck. That sucks. I mean I did not enjoy the near 48 hr period following my second shot, but I would take that every year happily over getting covid or passing it to others. I recognize I have a lot of privilege in that I could call in to work/have childcare while I was feeling shitty, etc
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Post by AmyG on Jul 9, 2021 12:35:13 GMT -6
How well the vaccine continues to work against the newest variants concerns me. I mean its all just speculation on wether vaccine continues to work on things like lamda variant in peru.
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Post by euphony on Jul 9, 2021 12:39:00 GMT -6
I just hope that we'll have the distribution system tweaked better to ensure that people, especially higher risk folks, who want to be vaccinated are able to do so fairly easily and quickly. Not other round of long distance trips or sitting on computers for days on end looking for an appointment. And, of course, we need to know how this will work for folks in the US who got J&J or Moderna - mix and match ok? Moderna right behind Pfizer? Canada is already mixing and matching, so there will at least be some data on the subject of a Moderna/Pfizer combo coming up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 12:39:45 GMT -6
Hello I am on the west coast and would be willing to participate! 🙋🏼♀️
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Post by sweetpea on Jul 9, 2021 12:54:09 GMT -6
Hello I am on the west coast and would be willing to participate! 🙋🏼♀️ I am on West Coast too and volunteer as a tribute
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Post by AmyG on Jul 9, 2021 13:08:27 GMT -6
Cdc said vaccinated adults dont have to wear masks in public So that became no adults have to wear masks in public and mask mandates lifted most everywhere.
Now cdc says vaccinated kids dont have to wear masks at school How long before that means no kids have to wear masks in schools?
Cdc is a big fail in their messaging.
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