fatpony
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Post by fatpony on Jul 27, 2021 21:21:16 GMT -6
all the while in other county departments we are fully returned to normal. Also, today was declared county work appreciation day by the governor for all the work county employees did during the pandemic. They gave us cookies (1 each!) and a tumbler. But not everyone gets a tumbler. Such a big f-u from teh county yet again. Yeah I fully realize that I am privileged to be in the situation that I am in, but it seems very premature to invite a bunch of people back into the building when we don't have to in order to do our job, ya know? We are getting a coffee mug too with our office's emblem on it. Woohoo....how about lets not all go back to the office as a way to show appreciation instead? ha. To be clear, I don't begrudge your ability to wfh. My pissiness is directed towards the admin for seemingly acting like there are two different covid world's and the way they treat staff.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jul 28, 2021 0:33:45 GMT -6
But I do agree with dc2london that shaming thoughtful people in this thread is not helpful. I am trying to continue to extend grace to everyone as this continues to be a super frustrating and scary situation. Thank you, this is really what I meant. I think people here have tried to be pretty thoughtful about how their choices affect the pandemic situation and at least tried to be good global citizens. There are plenty of people who deserve our ire, I was only saying I empathize with people having done the right thing consistently and feeling fed up with a situation that is outside their control. At the same time, our friends living abroad are completely entitled to tell us to fuck off with our freedoms. I won't tell you that. Out loud, anyway When my mom visited a few weeks ago she mentioned a couple of times how different it is to see so many people (read: everyone) in masks in stores and even parking lots to the stores. In the rural Midwest she said she doesn't see many masks at stores anymore. I'm honestly a little relieved that recommendations in the US are changing again because I *want* to wear a mask in stores over there and had an actual nightmare that I was back in the US shopping in Target and some woman pulled a gun on me and threatened to shoot me if I wouldn't take off my mask. In my dream, I lied to her and told her I was undergoing chemo and could die from a cold. Clearly I have some anxiety issues going on with both Covid and guns in the US right now!!
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Post by byjove on Jul 28, 2021 4:21:00 GMT -6
Thank you, this is really what I meant. I think people here have tried to be pretty thoughtful about how their choices affect the pandemic situation and at least tried to be good global citizens. There are plenty of people who deserve our ire, I was only saying I empathize with people having done the right thing consistently and feeling fed up with a situation that is outside their control. At the same time, our friends living abroad are completely entitled to tell us to fuck off with our freedoms. I won't tell you that. Out loud, anyway When my mom visited a few weeks ago she mentioned a couple of times how different it is to see so many people (read: everyone) in masks in stores and even parking lots to the stores. In the rural Midwest she said she doesn't see many masks at stores anymore. I'm honestly a little relieved that recommendations in the US are changing again because I *want* to wear a mask in stores over there and had an actual nightmare that I was back in the US shopping in Target and some woman pulled a gun on me and threatened to shoot me if I wouldn't take off my mask. In my dream, I lied to her and told her I was undergoing chemo and could die from a cold. Clearly I have some anxiety issues going on with both Covid and guns in the US right now!! I think a lot of the mask pushback is regional, fortunately/unfortunately.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 28, 2021 4:32:15 GMT -6
But I do agree with dc2london that shaming thoughtful people in this thread is not helpful. I am trying to continue to extend grace to everyone as this continues to be a super frustrating and scary situation. Thank you, this is really what I meant. I think people here have tried to be pretty thoughtful about how their choices affect the pandemic situation and at least tried to be good global citizens. There are plenty of people who deserve our ire, I was only saying I empathize with people having done the right thing consistently and feeling fed up with a situation that is outside their control. At the same time, our friends living abroad are completely entitled to tell us to fuck off with our freedoms. And I'm not advocating shaming people, generally. It isn't my go to move, but I reserve the right to change my mind on a case by case basis. I think it rubbed me the wrong way because you even said yourself, nobody has done that here. So why coddle people who aren't even getting crap and preemptively silence those of us who might be frustrated with those kinds of complaints. Obviously, none of us *want* to wear masks all day every day to every activity. But it is a form of privilege to be vaccinated and complain about having to wear a mask in a store. And I have seen vaxxed people in this forum complain about that. I get it, seems annoying, yet we all arguably agree that it isn't for *most* people a problem, so why not just do it? And now even the CDC agrees again, mostly. But yeah I am the person who might tell y'all to fuck off if you complain about wearing a mask for going to a store. I am tired. I can admit it.
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Post by addymac on Jul 28, 2021 5:53:40 GMT -6
Honestly, I’m with blurnette989 here. I obviously won’t actively shame anyone here but if I have to hear how annoying it is to wear a mask to the store or gym again, my answer is a hearty duck off. 🤷🏻♀️ I wear a mask all day every day 4x per week for 10-16hrs a day when I’m at work. Some days I’m so busy I don’t get a break which means no time with a mask off. Some days when you’re so busy you’re sweating and medical masks can start sticking to your face and lips and it’s annoying AF. And we keep them on. I wear a mask to every store I go into on my days off because I need to keep my child, my patients, and myself safe. I was vaccinated in December. I kept wearing a mask. I didn’t say fuck all of y’all peasants who can’t get a vaccine. I have exercised in a mask in the summertime last year and was it super pleasant? No but I did it and it was fine. Do I have days where I want to rip my mask off? Of course. Usually those are my 14-16 hour days where by hour 12 I need to switch out for another mask. But I’m a bit eye rolly at people complaining that they might have to wear a mask for an hour to go to the store. I’m also in a mood, apparently. Sorry.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 28, 2021 6:49:47 GMT -6
Thank you, this is really what I meant. I think people here have tried to be pretty thoughtful about how their choices affect the pandemic situation and at least tried to be good global citizens. There are plenty of people who deserve our ire, I was only saying I empathize with people having done the right thing consistently and feeling fed up with a situation that is outside their control. At the same time, our friends living abroad are completely entitled to tell us to fuck off with our freedoms. And I'm not advocating shaming people, generally. It isn't my go to move, but I reserve the right to change my mind on a case by case basis. I think it rubbed me the wrong way because you even said yourself, nobody has done that here. So why coddle people who aren't even getting crap and preemptively silence those of us who might be frustrated with those kinds of complaints. Obviously, none of us *want* to wear masks all day every day to every activity. But it is a form of privilege to be vaccinated and complain about having to wear a mask in a store. And I have seen vaxxed people in this forum complain about that. I get it, seems annoying, yet we all arguably agree that it isn't for *most* people a problem, so why not just do it? And now even the CDC agrees again, mostly. But yeah I am the person who might tell y'all to fuck off if you complain about wearing a mask for going to a store. I am tired. I can admit it. I wasn't trying to tone police you, I was only speaking for myself. I love you <3
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Post by dc2london on Jul 28, 2021 6:53:01 GMT -6
I've still been wearing masks this whole time indoors bc I suspected somethung like this might happen. The thing about the updated guidance is that I'm not side eyeing every maskless person wondering if they are actually vaccinated or not.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 28, 2021 6:55:10 GMT -6
I won't tell you that. Out loud, anyway When my mom visited a few weeks ago she mentioned a couple of times how different it is to see so many people (read: everyone) in masks in stores and even parking lots to the stores. In the rural Midwest she said she doesn't see many masks at stores anymore. I'm honestly a little relieved that recommendations in the US are changing again because I *want* to wear a mask in stores over there and had an actual nightmare that I was back in the US shopping in Target and some woman pulled a gun on me and threatened to shoot me if I wouldn't take off my mask. In my dream, I lied to her and told her I was undergoing chemo and could die from a cold. Clearly I have some anxiety issues going on with both Covid and guns in the US right now!! I think a lot of the mask pushback is regional, fortunately/unfortunately. Hyper regional. Both here and in MI I saw drastic differences in mask usage on a county by county basis.
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Post by sewf on Jul 28, 2021 7:02:48 GMT -6
I just found the reopening plan for 2021-2022 for DS's school. Masks, distancing, cohorts, what they will do if they have to go virtual again, testing at school if needed, etc. The plan right now is to send him and talk to him every day to make sure the rules are being followed by everyone. If not, we can pull him and do homeschooling if we need to, but he needs to be back with other kids. But finding this plan, and it including masks, is such a reflief.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 28, 2021 7:06:55 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Jul 28, 2021 7:08:12 GMT -6
I just found the reopening plan for 2021-2022 for DS's school. Masks, distancing, cohorts, what they will do if they have to go virtual again, testing at school if needed, etc. The plan right now is to send him and talk to him every day to make sure the rules are being followed by everyone. If not, we can pull him and do homeschooling if we need to, but he needs to be back with other kids. But finding this plan, and it including masks, is such a reflief. Wow, that seems like a super solid plan. I'm relieved for you! Our county is really banging the "5 full days in person" drum so distancing/cohorts can't possibly be used. Fingers crossed for Masks at least ?
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Post by greykitty on Jul 28, 2021 7:08:53 GMT -6
Pfizer suggesting third shot boosts protection against Delta - early days yet, looks like. And the FDA would have to sign off on it, I think. ...A third dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine can "strongly" boost protection against the Delta variant -- beyond the protection afforded by the standard two doses, suggests new data released by Pfizer on Wednesday.... www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/health/pfizer-third-dose-data-bn/index.html
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Post by sewf on Jul 28, 2021 7:15:49 GMT -6
I just found the reopening plan for 2021-2022 for DS's school. Masks, distancing, cohorts, what they will do if they have to go virtual again, testing at school if needed, etc. The plan right now is to send him and talk to him every day to make sure the rules are being followed by everyone. If not, we can pull him and do homeschooling if we need to, but he needs to be back with other kids. But finding this plan, and it including masks, is such a reflief. Wow, that seems like a super solid plan. I'm relieved for you! Our county is really banging the "5 full days in person" drum so distancing/cohorts can't possibly be used. Fingers crossed for Masks at least ? I mean, honestly, I was just looking for masks. We're in Missouri, so... yeah, was not expecting much. But this is a K-4 charter school, with a predominantly black student body, so higher risk. Obviously not old enough to be vaccinated yet. I just hope they follow through with all the plans. These kids are so underserved as it is, they deserve to be safe at school.
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Post by leahcar on Jul 28, 2021 7:16:24 GMT -6
Can the federal government mandate masks in schools? Or just suggest it via the CDC guidance? I have zero hope of getting a mask mandate in Texas unless the federal government does something.
I've reached the pissed off at the world stage of the pandemic again. This sucks so much for all the families who have been trying so hard to do things right.
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Post by SweetPotato on Jul 28, 2021 7:18:37 GMT -6
Complaining is complaining. Everyone does it here and there and I’m not going to get upset about it.
If you’re complaining about wearing a mask it means you’re wearing a mask and that’s all I want.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 28, 2021 7:22:22 GMT -6
Can the federal government mandate masks in schools? Or just suggest it via the CDC guidance? I have zero hope of getting a mask mandate in Texas unless the federal government does something. I've reached the pissed off at the world stage of the pandemic again. This sucks so much for all the families who have been trying so hard to do things right. The CDC guidance serves as guidance from the federal government. Mandates aren't going to happen and may not even be legal. I'm sorry Both AAP and CDC recommending Masks is as full throated an endorsement as I think we could get but now it's up to state and local leaders.
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Post by dc2london on Jul 28, 2021 7:23:05 GMT -6
I think I missed this detail yesterday. This......sucks.
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Post by greykitty on Jul 28, 2021 7:29:17 GMT -6
I think I missed this detail yesterday. This......sucks. Yes, for my situation that was the key element. It was one thing if I as a fully vaccinated person was highly unlikely to transmit enough of a viral load to infect anyone (which is what was believed at the time, to be fair). Another thing now. And even more nuanced, if following CDC, three of the counties I'm most likely to be 'in' are moderate transmission; one is substantial. Technically masking is pushed more for for high and substantial areas.
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Post by byjove on Jul 28, 2021 7:32:08 GMT -6
I think I missed this detail yesterday. This......sucks. Yeah, it's really scary.
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Post by klw on Jul 28, 2021 7:34:29 GMT -6
I think I missed this detail yesterday. This......sucks. Excuse me while I go cry in a corner for a bit.
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Post by byjove on Jul 28, 2021 7:37:05 GMT -6
I think I missed this detail yesterday. This......sucks. Yes, for my situation that was the key element. It was one thing if I as a fully vaccinated person was highly unlikely to transmit enough of a viral load to infect anyone (which is what was believed at the time, to be fair). Another thing now. They had been relatively confident that this was true for the previous VOCs- delta is such a beast that everything has changed.
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Post by willow on Jul 28, 2021 7:39:15 GMT -6
I went maskless in a couple places briefly but I have had no issue going back to masking everywhere. I barely notice it anymore.
Each time I have gone somewhere in the last week, I have noticed masks increasing. Still not even to 50% probably but much more than before.
I am fortunate to live in a higher vax rate area and generally our mask compliance has been really good since the beginning, I think because of the general liberal bubble I live in and also I feel like Minnesotans in a GENERAL sense tend to be rule abiding in some ways, lol.
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Post by Minerva on Jul 28, 2021 7:42:54 GMT -6
I'm loving that the federal workforce is going to include contractors. As a former contractor, that is a lot of people and will have a wide ripple effect for companies. I get that the other option is regular testing and masking, but that is a PITA and people may get the shot to avoid that. They should make them pay for their own tests too! If both FTEs and contractors have mandate, vaccination rates in this area will be super high . As a parent of 3 kids too young to be eligible, I love it. I’m so relieved about it! FCPS just announced universal masking for all students and teachers as well, which is better than I expected.
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Post by byjove on Jul 28, 2021 7:45:10 GMT -6
If both FTEs and contractors have mandate, vaccination rates in this area will be super high . As a parent of 3 kids too young to be eligible, I love it. I’m so relieved about it! FCPS just announced universal masking for all students and teachers as well, which is better than I expected. I'm hoping we get an announcement soon too.
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Post by notblanche on Jul 28, 2021 7:45:44 GMT -6
If both FTEs and contractors have mandate, vaccination rates in this area will be super high . As a parent of 3 kids too young to be eligible, I love it. I’m so relieved about it! FCPS just announced universal masking for all students and teachers as well, which is better than I expected. Do you have a link to the announcement? I kept seeing people say this in FB groups yesterday, about FCPS masking, but I can't find a source.
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Post by Minerva on Jul 28, 2021 7:50:58 GMT -6
I’m so relieved about it! FCPS just announced universal masking for all students and teachers as well, which is better than I expected. Do you have a link to the announcement? I kept seeing people say this in FB groups yesterday, about FCPS masking, but I can't find a source. Yes! I just got it this morning. www.fcps.edu/node/43868
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Post by notblanche on Jul 28, 2021 7:51:47 GMT -6
Minerva, that's great news. thanks for sharing!
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Post by blurnette989 on Jul 28, 2021 7:53:23 GMT -6
And I'm not advocating shaming people, generally. It isn't my go to move, but I reserve the right to change my mind on a case by case basis. I think it rubbed me the wrong way because you even said yourself, nobody has done that here. So why coddle people who aren't even getting crap and preemptively silence those of us who might be frustrated with those kinds of complaints. Obviously, none of us *want* to wear masks all day every day to every activity. But it is a form of privilege to be vaccinated and complain about having to wear a mask in a store. And I have seen vaxxed people in this forum complain about that. I get it, seems annoying, yet we all arguably agree that it isn't for *most* people a problem, so why not just do it? And now even the CDC agrees again, mostly. But yeah I am the person who might tell y'all to fuck off if you complain about wearing a mask for going to a store. I am tired. I can admit it. I wasn't trying to tone police you, I was only speaking for myself. I love you <3 You know I love you too boo!
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Post by jkjacq on Jul 28, 2021 7:55:12 GMT -6
Can the federal government mandate masks in schools? Or just suggest it via the CDC guidance? I have zero hope of getting a mask mandate in Texas unless the federal government does something. I've reached the pissed off at the world stage of the pandemic again. This sucks so much for all the families who have been trying so hard to do things right. Our legislature stripped our governor of the authority to declare a state of emergency because of the mandates. So yeah they for sure arent going to follow federal mandates
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Post by greykitty on Jul 28, 2021 8:01:15 GMT -6
May have missed it, but I haven't seen any announcements by major/national retailers regarding masking for the fully vaccinated yet. Granted, pretty darn early to revamp policy and announce it, but I recall how quickly most of the majors adopted the 'no masking required if fully vaccinated' guidance.
I feel for them, especially in areas where masking has always been a hard sell and/or absolute numbers of infections seem really low - like rural areas.
ETA - some rural areas. I've read a lot of rural areas, like a lot of urban areas, have a lot of infections as well as low vax uptake. A mess all around.
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