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Post by iruntodrink on May 20, 2021 12:08:05 GMT -6
Did this episode seem shorter to anyone else? yes, the last few have flown by for me.
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Post by babybean on May 20, 2021 12:37:09 GMT -6
Did this episode seem shorter to anyone else? My satellite said it was running until 10:15 pm and then the episode ended at 9:58 pm. I wasn’t pleased.
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Post by mrsweasley on May 20, 2021 14:47:55 GMT -6
I'm probably just projecting my own feelings/past but I kept thinking we were going to get some kind of flashback with an abusive/manipulative twist with Luke since June had so much guilt about not having Hannah.
It's probably just the guilt thing though, I can't imagine having to leave any of my children behind either.
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Post by babybean on May 20, 2021 15:13:08 GMT -6
I wonder what their relationship will be like now. So much trauma for June. Raising Nicole. Luke’s guilt. June’s guilt. Readjusting to life in Canada.
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Post by NamasteBirches on May 20, 2021 15:28:47 GMT -6
I wonder what their relationship will be like now. So much trauma for June. Raising Nicole. Luke’s guilt. June’s guilt. Readjusting to life in Canada. I know it was probably shock but Luke's blank reaction wasn't what I was expecting from him tbh
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Post by babybean on May 20, 2021 15:37:48 GMT -6
I wonder what their relationship will be like now. So much trauma for June. Raising Nicole. Luke’s guilt. June’s guilt. Readjusting to life in Canada. I know it was probably shock but Luke's blank reaction wasn't what I was expecting from him tbh I wasn’t either. I think he was trying to gauge where June was at before showing any emotions or going in for a hug or anything. It was also shock and probably hard to see her looking like that, imagining all she had to endure.
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Post by iruntodrink on May 20, 2021 16:21:08 GMT -6
I know it was probably shock but Luke's blank reaction wasn't what I was expecting from him tbh I wasn’t either. I think he was trying to gauge where June was at before showing any emotions or going in for a hug or anything. It was also shock and probably hard to see her looking like that, imagining all she had to endure. That's how I saw it. He was reading the room.
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Post by Wtfshouldmynamebe on May 20, 2021 16:47:22 GMT -6
Honestly, I’m not a big Luke fan. I think there is more to his story.
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Post by inthekitty on May 20, 2021 17:01:58 GMT -6
I know it was probably shock but Luke's blank reaction wasn't what I was expecting from him tbh I wasn’t either. I think he was trying to gauge where June was at before showing any emotions or going in for a hug or anything. It was also shock and probably hard to see her looking like that, imagining all she had to endure. I definitely think there was some shock, but I think it also related to him being upset in the previous episode mentioning that June chose to stay there. I think he felt really dejected like June was actively choosing to be away from him and just as she was wondering if he'd want her anymore if she came home "empty-handed" without Hannah, he was wondering if she still wanted him.
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Post by bustedbiscuits on May 20, 2021 19:30:52 GMT -6
Honestly, I’m not a big Luke fan. I think there is more to his story. I agree. The flashback with Moira has me thinking more too. If June couldn't have a baby, would Luke have left her? It does make me wonder.
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Post by mapleme on May 20, 2021 20:05:42 GMT -6
I didn’t read Luke’s look as blank at all. There was a whole huge unspoken conversation between them. There was so much to say and no words were adequate. Throwing out a huge hug would have been so presumptuous. Especially toward a woman who hasn’t been allowed to own her own body for years.
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Post by mapleme on May 20, 2021 20:06:53 GMT -6
And holy moly, that little Hannah flashback at the end felt completely like a eulogy. Like that June has to pretend that she dead in order to move on.
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Post by babybean on May 20, 2021 21:40:33 GMT -6
Honestly, I’m not a big Luke fan. I think there is more to his story. I agree. The flashback with Moira has me thinking more too. If June couldn't have a baby, would Luke have left her? It does make me wonder. i believed him during their moment on the stairs. He’s also taking care of Nicole, which a lot of men couldn’t handle. Nobody is perfect but I need him to be good. There’s so much bad in this show.
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Post by bustedbiscuits on May 20, 2021 22:22:45 GMT -6
I agree. The flashback with Moira has me thinking more too. If June couldn't have a baby, would Luke have left her? It does make me wonder. i believed him during their moment on the stairs. He’s also taking care of Nicole, which a lot of men couldn’t handle. Nobody is perfect but I need him to be good. There’s so much bad in this show. I thought him taking care of Nicole was because she's part of June and the only piece of June/Hannah he may ever get back from Gilaed. I agree no one is perfect but Moira bringing it up has me eyeing his character a little more critically and wondering. I hope I am wrong.
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Post by iruntodrink on May 21, 2021 9:21:15 GMT -6
I agree. The flashback with Moira has me thinking more too. If June couldn't have a baby, would Luke have left her? It does make me wonder. i believed him during their moment on the stairs. He’s also taking care of Nicole, which a lot of men couldn’t handle. Nobody is perfect but I need him to be good. There’s so much bad in this show. Still on your bench. When H and I met I had no intention of being a mom to humans, but it was the most important thing to him and knowing what a good and involved dad he was going to be is what swayed me. Obviously I love being a mom and have zero regrets, but I can't imagine the anguish I would feel if I wasn't able to bring one back to him then face him. Guilt doesn't follow logic.
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Post by NamasteBirches on May 21, 2021 9:36:26 GMT -6
I agree. The flashback with Moira has me thinking more too. If June couldn't have a baby, would Luke have left her? It does make me wonder. i believed him during their moment on the stairs. He’s also taking care of Nicole, which a lot of men couldn’t handle. Nobody is perfect but I need him to be good. There’s so much bad in this show. same. I was waiting for something bad to come from the flashback but 🤞 you know how they like to torture us
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Post by inthekitty on May 21, 2021 10:49:01 GMT -6
i believed him during their moment on the stairs. He’s also taking care of Nicole, which a lot of men couldn’t handle. Nobody is perfect but I need him to be good. There’s so much bad in this show. I can't imagine the anguish I would feel if I wasn't able to bring one back to him then face him. Guilt doesn't follow logic.Agreed. This exactly. And to top it off, add all the brainwashing from Gilead and specifically Aunt Lydia. I liked the flashbacks as they definitely helped make sense of why June didn't leave during earlier opportunities. She may be the "strong" one, but she's not immune to the mounting impact of prolonged brainwashing and trauma. It's also not uncommon that once you're not in direct danger anymore, that is when the effects of the trauma really come flooding it. You don't have time to face it all when you're literally fighting for your life, but when you're back in a safe situation you have all of this pain resting on your shoulders.
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Post by goldenbird on May 21, 2021 18:07:35 GMT -6
I really hope they get Hannah out this season or next.
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 16:34:45 GMT -6
Finally caught up.
I cried more when Moira and June reunited than when Luke and June reunited.
I’m really wondering if they are going to try to work toward the ending in The Testaments. It would be really interesting if they did.
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 16:40:10 GMT -6
Oh I didn’t spoiler. I figured people wouldn’t be reading at this point if they weren’t caught up...
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 17:02:04 GMT -6
The Testaments spoiler: in the book, Nichole grows up with adoptive parents and not knowing she is “baby Nichole”, although she learns about baby Nichole in school. June basically goes underground to help with the resistance, and I forget what happens with Luke (I don’t even remember it they mention him?). So even if she does go to Canada, she may not raise the baby. It would make sense- if Gilead found out June made it to Canada, there would be huge repercussions for Canada not returning her. I think.
I could be misremembering some of the book, too.
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 17:03:36 GMT -6
Honestly, I’m not a big Luke fan. I think there is more to his story. He is in a tough position. His wife’s love child was thrust upon him. His daughter is stuck in Gilead. It’s a lot. I can’t really judge him at this point, not yet at least. Other than cheating on his first wife with June.
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 17:06:22 GMT -6
I really hope they get Hannah out this season or next. big spoiler for those who haven’t read The TestamentsZ I am skeptical they will, at least if they want to work toward The Testaments. She stays in Gilead until she is in her teens/early 20s, I forget exact age.
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Post by babybean on May 23, 2021 18:06:26 GMT -6
The Testaments spoiler: in the book, Nichole grows up with adoptive parents and not knowing she is “baby Nichole”, although she learns about baby Nichole in school. June basically goes underground to help with the resistance, and I forget what happens with Luke (I don’t even remember it they mention him?). So even if she does go to Canada, she may not raise the baby. It would make sense- if Gilead found out June made it to Canada, there would be huge repercussions for Canada not returning her. I think.
I could be misremembering some of the book, too. June’s fate was up in the air IIRC? I don’t think she’ll go underground in the show because she testifies against the Waterford’s. So, Gilead will know she’s there. I wonder what government negotiations will go down because they’re not going to be pleased.
ETA: just remembered the girls reunite at the end. She’s with Nick though, no? Off to google I go!
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 18:14:58 GMT -6
babybean I can’t remember who she is with! Just that she is there at the end.
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Post by mrsweasley on May 23, 2021 18:18:18 GMT -6
Honestly, I’m not a big Luke fan. I think there is more to his story. He is in a tough position. His wife’s love child was thrust upon him. His daughter is stuck in Gilead. It’s a lot. I can’t really judge him at this point, not yet at least. Other than cheating on his first wife with June. He know it's Nick's baby right? But does he know about Nick/June's relationship?
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Post by mrsweasley on May 23, 2021 18:21:03 GMT -6
I wonder what their relationship will be like now. So much trauma for June. Raising Nicole. Luke’s guilt. June’s guilt. Readjusting to life in Canada. I know it was probably shock but Luke's blank reaction wasn't what I was expecting from him tbh I found their interaction walking off the boat weird, almost cold. Like he was briskly walking ahead of her and it might have seemed more natural to hold her hand? I'm not sure if I'm just overthinking it though, there's supposed to be a lot of emotional trauma on both sides, so maybe like reading the room, nobody knows what's too much
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 18:22:02 GMT -6
He is in a tough position. His wife’s love child was thrust upon him. His daughter is stuck in Gilead. It’s a lot. I can’t really judge him at this point, not yet at least. Other than cheating on his first wife with June. He know it's Nick's baby right? But does he know about Nick/June's relationship? Yes, he knows. June sent him the contraband tape (that she taped over) and told him Nicole was born out of love.
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Post by thatgolfb on May 23, 2021 18:22:37 GMT -6
We rewatched season 3, so that’s fresh on my mind.
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Post by mrsweasley on May 23, 2021 18:27:15 GMT -6
He know it's Nick's baby right? But does he know about Nick/June's relationship? Yes, he knows. June sent him the contraband tape (that she taped over) and told him Nicole was born out of love. Thank you! I didn't have time to rewatch and my memory is fuzzy
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