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Post by ArielMermaid on Apr 4, 2021 8:10:43 GMT -6
Speaking of holy shit. There’s like 700 things wrong with this.
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Post by claudia on Apr 4, 2021 8:16:32 GMT -6
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Post by bobyn on Apr 4, 2021 8:24:27 GMT -6
Oh FFS, a revolutionary Kate is not.
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Post by ktg on Apr 4, 2021 8:37:36 GMT -6
Speaking of holy shit. There’s like 700 things wrong with this. How very communist they've made her look here, too. Just like all activists! 😏
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Post by ArielMermaid on Apr 4, 2021 8:43:42 GMT -6
Oh FFS, a revolutionary Kate is not. The most laughable article yet.
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Post by ArielMermaid on Apr 4, 2021 8:49:59 GMT -6
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Post by Cheshie6 on Apr 4, 2021 15:23:22 GMT -6
Do you (general you) think in bringing this back, many will see parallels with Meghan now? Having only seen clips, it'll be exciting to see the whole thing, especially in the context with what Meghan just went through.
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Post by snowyowl on Apr 4, 2021 16:18:32 GMT -6
Do you (general you) think in bringing this back, many will see parallels with Meghan now? Having only seen clips, it'll be exciting to see the whole thing, especially in the context with what Meghan just went through. I think they will be reminded that Diana was even more in burn-it-down mode than Harry and Meghan, plus she’d already ghost-written a tell-all (though I’m not sure if people knew that yet). The story of being hidden away and ignored while trying to get mental health help is very similar. The personal things she shared about Charles herself (theoretically still the future queen, since they weren’t divorced yet and the firm was trying to prevent it) would be shocking today from a member of the royal family, but considering it was around 25 years ago even more so.
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Post by wildflower on Apr 4, 2021 18:26:25 GMT -6
A page late.. but the idea of Harry and Megan calling the paps is laughable. Absolutely ridiculous. Every damn time they have the opportunity, they go scorched earth about the paparazzi and intrusiveness. They are not calling the photographers.
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Post by Sweetjane on Apr 4, 2021 18:53:32 GMT -6
I agree with you wildflower. I imagine Harry would view that as a huge betrayal if anyone in his circle called the paps.
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Post by beesquared on Apr 4, 2021 21:59:22 GMT -6
Have mercy. I don’t even have the energy to take the Kate story seriously.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 5, 2021 6:29:38 GMT -6
Speaking of holy shit. There’s like 700 things wrong with this. wow WTAF
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Post by ArielMermaid on Apr 5, 2021 6:30:45 GMT -6
Have mercy. I don’t even have the energy to take the Kate story seriously. Honestly even the Kate Stans seem to be wondering what the fuck this is about. It was actually making me giggle reading through Twitter (for once.)
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Post by angelashly on Apr 5, 2021 6:31:11 GMT -6
Have mercy. I don’t even have the energy to take the Kate story seriously. It is really just proving the point Meghan was saying
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Post by angelashly on Apr 5, 2021 6:58:40 GMT -6
For ME it isn’t just the narrative it’s what is behind the narrative not being changed. Everyone says Kate can’t speak up and that’s fine she doesn’t have to but FOR ME I will look at you different and you forever will be on my I see you list no matter how nice you are for not saying something or standing up to the racism and gaining from it as well. As for the media yes I agree with you I think you misunderstood what I was speaking to. I was repeating what Meghan said, verbatim. She literally uttered those words. So it's strange that people are acting confused like "why won't she say what the problem is, and how she feels about Kate" when she did both. Out loud and in her full voice. The acting confused is so funny to me when the woman has spoken on it, clearly, so there shouldn't really be any surface level confusion even. Got it then yes we are the same
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Post by STP on Apr 5, 2021 7:01:43 GMT -6
Do you (general you) think in bringing this back, many will see parallels with Meghan now? Having only seen clips, it'll be exciting to see the whole thing, especially in the context with what Meghan just went through. I think they will be reminded that Diana was even more in burn-it-down mode than Harry and Meghan, plus she’d already ghost-written a tell-all (though I’m not sure if people knew that yet). The story of being hidden away and ignored while trying to get mental health help is very similar. The personal things she shared about Charles herself (theoretically still the future queen, since they weren’t divorced yet and the firm was trying to prevent it) would be shocking today from a member of the royal family, but considering it was around 25 years ago even more so. I WILL say that having done some listening and watching and reading on Diana, there is a lot about her role in everything that she (naturally) left out. That interview is fascinating because she's quite doe eyed, innocent pauses, head down when... that wasn't really the entire landscape.
I find Meghan a lot more plausible as a true victim, tbh. I think Diana had aspirations for the crown, I don't know that I see that in Meghan. And that's a huge component.
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Post by STP on Apr 5, 2021 7:02:16 GMT -6
Was Kate involved in that article? Because if so, yikes.
I am not a Kate stan, but I do like her a bit more than I think this board does as a rule. But this is laughable.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 5, 2021 7:04:43 GMT -6
Was Kate involved in that article? Because if so, yikes. I am not a Kate stan, but I do like her a bit more than I think this board does as a rule. But this is laughable. the thing is it has come out that they have put out articles or at least given their staff the information to put out articles and they always turn to a good look on them. So short answer we don't know for sure if she was involved
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Apr 5, 2021 7:18:39 GMT -6
That cover of Kate was giving me Patty Hearst vibes. I mean, what in the what?
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Post by snowyowl on Apr 5, 2021 8:35:05 GMT -6
I think they will be reminded that Diana was even more in burn-it-down mode than Harry and Meghan, plus she’d already ghost-written a tell-all (though I’m not sure if people knew that yet). The story of being hidden away and ignored while trying to get mental health help is very similar. The personal things she shared about Charles herself (theoretically still the future queen, since they weren’t divorced yet and the firm was trying to prevent it) would be shocking today from a member of the royal family, but considering it was around 25 years ago even more so. I WILL say that having done some listening and watching and reading on Diana, there is a lot about her role in everything that she (naturally) left out. That interview is fascinating because she's quite doe eyed, innocent pauses, head down when... that wasn't really the entire landscape.
I find Meghan a lot more plausible as a true victim, tbh. I think Diana had aspirations for the crown, I don't know that I see that in Meghan. And that's a huge component. I agree. When I say burn-it-down, I mean that Diana was actually doing what Meghan and Harry are being accused of. People will still bend over backwards to excuse Diana and blame Meghan, but Diana was no perfect princess. She wanted to control the story-line and expose the monarchy while making herself the victim. Meghan has handled herself with a lot more grace, certainly. I don’t say that to be anti-Diana. I think Diana, without support, maturity, or outlet, lashed out the only ways she knew how. Meghan was attacked from every direction, but she had more life experience and a loving spouse to help her save herself. ETA: Just want to clarify that when I say maturity, I don’t mean age. The interview happened when Diana was in her 30s. But she lived her life from 19 on in the royal family. Meghan was in the “real world” for much longer and that likely gave her much clearer perspective to be able to say “this is not right or normal” and handle it accordingly.
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Post by MelanieCarmichael on Apr 5, 2021 9:28:42 GMT -6
ITA that Diana was not a saint or perfect, but (possibly UO), I really loved it when she finally spoke out. While she wasn't an innocent victim by the time the interview came out, after the years of horrible treatment by her husband and the BRF, I had very few fucks to give about any of it. And her words still resonate very much to this day.
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Post by beatch on Apr 5, 2021 9:53:24 GMT -6
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Post by claudia on Apr 5, 2021 10:17:02 GMT -6
I can't read the article because it's behind a paywall, but I've read clips. I don't think Kate/KP are behind it, other than pushing for good publicity in general. However, to me, it illustrates something many of us (and others) have said for a couple of years now. Kate gets praise for every little thing and so many excuses for her missteps. To me, it reads as treating her like a delicate, fragile white woman. She wears a black ribbon on her BAFTA dress? "It's such a bold move by her!" She visits a vigil? "She's so caring!" She writes a forward for a book (which I do think was a good move)? Amazing work; she's so involved! It is almost infantilizing the way she gets praise for small things, and I take issue with that. She's a middle aged, educated, privileged woman. The media shouldn't be treating her like a child and praising every little thing.
And more tellingly, they didn't always praise her like that. It wasn't until they had someone to prop her up against. Meghan writes a forward for a cookbook? She's tied to terrorists for it. She writes a message on bananas for sex workers? She's disrespecting women who choose sex work.
While I believe Kate and Will have leaked/had their team leak a lot of damaging items, that really isn't even the core issue. It's the media narrative.
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Post by tgrimes on Apr 5, 2021 11:14:39 GMT -6
The media sucks.
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Post by angelashly on Apr 5, 2021 11:31:28 GMT -6
I can't read the article because it's behind a paywall, but I've read clips. I don't think Kate/KP are behind it, other than pushing for good publicity in general. However, to me, it illustrates something many of us (and others) have said for a couple of years now. Kate gets praise for every little thing and so many excuses for her missteps. To me, it reads as treating her like a delicate, fragile white woman. She wears a black ribbon on her BAFTA dress? "It's such a bold move by her!" She visits a vigil? "She's so caring!" She writes a forward for a book (which I do think was a good move)? Amazing work; she's so involved! It is almost infantilizing the way she gets praise for small things, and I take issue with that. She's a middle aged, educated, privileged woman. The media shouldn't be treating her like a child and praising every little thing. And more tellingly, they didn't always praise her like that. It wasn't until they had someone to prop her up against. Meghan writes a forward for a cookbook? She's tied to terrorists for it. She writes a message on bananas for sex workers? She's disrespecting women who choose sex work. While I believe Kate and Will have leaked/had their team leak a lot of damaging items, that really isn't even the core issue. It's the media narrative. This exactly. Plus was her visiting the vigil work or her caring because she was a student who also walked that street so it hit her and she just had to do something?
But yes this is the media thing
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Post by MichaelScott on Apr 5, 2021 11:34:55 GMT -6
This honestly why I think Kate or Kate fan's are usually going to be complicit in upholding this racist/sexist narrative. If Kate would just come out and say, Um, thanks but I know you're wrong and here are the real activists and name names.
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Post by jaidit on Apr 5, 2021 15:25:55 GMT -6
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Post by meowmaps on Apr 5, 2021 15:36:03 GMT -6
My first thought was, wow, what a beautiful tree. It took me a minute to find Eugenie and family.
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