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Post by karabear on Jan 11, 2021 12:20:56 GMT -6
So social media broke us but social media could fix this. If done right. Is basically what I’m hearing. This is also encouraging me to work on toning down the anger I sometimes express in my FB posts. I reallllllly try to be even keeled and factual and kind in my responses but when pushed too far sometimes I get angry. It would be AMAZING if the DNC would put together trainings and info for volunteers on how to unbrainwash people. We could be doing the work on the ground level. We could be utilizing slack for questions and advice, we could have step by step processes, we could have sample scripts depending on current issues and common themes. They mobilized thousands of volunteers who are now sitting around not doing much. THIS is something we could be working on. This is fixable in some (probably not all). We have the know how. GDI. I give up. My gif won’t work. Insert Leslie Knope “Ann, You rainbow-infused space unicorn” gif here
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Post by sheilathetank on Jan 11, 2021 12:26:57 GMT -6
I have a documentary for you to watch if you are bored that lays it all out. It's fascinating and partially why i'm no longer surprised when people believe stupid shit. Yes! Fill me in!😂 www.netflix.com/title/81015076You're gonna need a strong drink to get through the crazy but i found it thoroughly enjoyable from a watching a circus point of view.
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Post by hawkeye2015 on Jan 11, 2021 12:37:29 GMT -6
Some good news out of the Supreme Court.
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Post by pianolove on Jan 11, 2021 12:41:09 GMT -6
How about she lets us do what we can to stop more violence and stops equating white nationalist rhetoric with "freedom of opinion." what makes me roll my eyes is that we do have laws with in a framework defined by the legislator. Come on lady. Trump picked Twitter to express himself. Twitter said no thank you. The man literally has an outlet where he can address the country INSIDE HIS OWN HOUSE. Seriously. I can't believe, as a world leader, she couldn't tell one of her aides to google that shit before telling the world that a private company can't ban an inciter of violence under their own country's laws.
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Post by iruntodrink on Jan 11, 2021 12:45:10 GMT -6
This is basically why I haven't completely cut off certain family members. But I refuse to put up with their bullshit. I call them out on it. I do understand that not everyone can do that for their own mental health though These conversations are happening in my house right now, because there has to be a line somewhere. Domestic terrorism - participating in it or supporting it - is a big red line for me.
And beyond that absolute no-go, I can only try so hard and so long to try to right the ship before I decide I don't want you near me or my kids. dingdingding!
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Post by athn64 on Jan 11, 2021 12:46:52 GMT -6
These conversations are happening in my house right now, because there has to be a line somewhere. Domestic terrorism - participating in it or supporting it - is a big red line for me.
And beyond that absolute no-go, I can only try so hard and so long to try to right the ship before I decide I don't want you near me or my kids. dingdingding! Yeah, my kids are barely around the Trump voting assholes. Thankfully, the majority of my family is more liberal than not. H and I have discussed our line in the sand, and they haven't hit it just yet. But I have told other family members that if X happens around me or my kids, I'm packing up and going home. And nothing will stop me.
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Post by richard on Jan 11, 2021 12:47:10 GMT -6
I'm so happy. He is the wooooorst.
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 11, 2021 12:47:23 GMT -6
So social media broke us but social media could fix this. If done right. Is basically what I’m hearing. This is also encouraging me to work on toning down the anger I sometimes express in my FB posts. I reallllllly try to be even keeled and factual and kind in my responses but when pushed too far sometimes I get angry. It would be AMAZING if the DNC would put together trainings and info for volunteers on how to unbrainwash people. We could be doing the work on the ground level. We could be utilizing slack for questions and advice, we could have step by step processes, we could have sample scripts depending on current issues and common themes. They mobilized thousands of volunteers who are now sitting around not doing much. THIS is something we could be working on. This is fixable in some (probably not all). We have the know how. so last Thursdays PSA "Two Americas" Dan has an interview with Nsé Ufot of the New Georgia Project. At the end they talk about the face to face door knocking that happened and being able to refute a lot of the misinformation thats been out there. Its not specific to conspiracy theories but its a good take if you have the time.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 11, 2021 12:56:38 GMT -6
So social media broke us but social media could fix this. If done right. Is basically what I’m hearing. This is also encouraging me to work on toning down the anger I sometimes express in my FB posts. I reallllllly try to be even keeled and factual and kind in my responses but when pushed too far sometimes I get angry. It would be AMAZING if the DNC would put together trainings and info for volunteers on how to unbrainwash people. We could be doing the work on the ground level. We could be utilizing slack for questions and advice, we could have step by step processes, we could have sample scripts depending on current issues and common themes. They mobilized thousands of volunteers who are now sitting around not doing much. THIS is something we could be working on. This is fixable in some (probably not all). We have the know how. So, actually, Dan Pfeiffer is trying to kind of do this. He has a daily newsletter about politics and he indicated at the end of last year that he'd like to do some of this going forward.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 11, 2021 12:59:09 GMT -6
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Post by athn64 on Jan 11, 2021 13:04:47 GMT -6
I'm gonna have my kids do this. Maybe encourage my GS troop to as well. Especially since she's such a good role model for young girls
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Post by mirabelle on Jan 11, 2021 13:06:16 GMT -6
I’m sitting here thinking about the Parler stuff. And how we are outing the domestic terrorists. And how we are putting them on no fly lists. And how we are getting them fired from their jobs. And don’t get me wrong- I am here 👏🏼for👏🏼it👏🏼. Highlight of 2021, guaranteed. But where does this lead? What fallout can we expect? I see 2 groups here. MAGAts- note the lower case “t”. These are people who support Trump, still support Trump, still believe the election was stolen, don’t like what the terrorists did at the capital but see it like we saw violence from this past summer’s protects- ie “I don’t condone it, but I understand why people are so angry and why this is happening” (Please note, I do NOT agree with the above sentiment and comparison but this is what I’m seeing floating around) and MAGATs - note the capitalized T, stands for terrorists. These are people who were either at the Capitol or wish they were. They still support Trump, they agree with the destruction, they still think the election was stolen (just like the above group), they think Pence is a traitor, they will go back on January 20. The first group is large. I’m keeping an eye on FB and a lot of Trump voters are still in that first group. I would guess a majority. I would guess if we had another election today that Trump wouldn’t lose many voters. The second group is smaller but still significant. The Parler data thing...what does that lead to? We know both of these groups believe they are the victim. We know both of these groups don’t see anything wrong with their continued support for Trump. Where do we go from here? Where does this lead? We have 70million people who think this country is out to get them. And that we are succeeding because of the Parler breach, the Twitter bans, the arrests, the no fly list, etc. I would love to think these people will see the error of their ways. But they won’t. So. I hope people smarter than me are planning ahead. Because the history major in me is comparing this to Germany after WWI sanctions. Remember how angry the German people were? Remember how victimized they felt? I think it’s pretty widely accepted that the Treaty of Versailles was weaponized by German nationalists and led to the rise of Hitler. I am not saying that we should stop anything we are doing. Actions MUST have consequences. But God I hope people smarter than me are watching this carefully and making sure something much worse doesn’t come out of the anger that MAGAts and MAGATs are stewing in. This is why I think although Arnold’s message wasn’t perfect, we need more of his type to be trying to reach these people. I know the super extreme terrorists probably won’t listen to him, but I think people from their party need to keep pointing out the similarities to nazi Germany and really try to reach these people. I don’t know how and I don’t know who they will listen to. But I give him a lot of credit for sticking his neck out there because so many aren’t saying a damned thing. Or are saying it with a hell of a lot more caveats.
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Post by daffodilsandcoffee on Jan 11, 2021 13:19:59 GMT -6
My first grader needs to work on his handwriting. This sounds like the perfect excuse to practice! He will be so excited!
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Post by overboard on Jan 11, 2021 15:18:20 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 15:23:41 GMT -6
In pretty fascinated by cults and have watched many a documentary, so I’m no expert. But it does seem like the people that escape are first alarmed by things they’re seeing inside the cult that don’t make sense or seem wrong to them, combined with a steady diet of outside information, and then finally something just clicks and their eyes are opened. I do think it’s a long game and we have to be persistent. But also some of us will need to tap out... like me, lol. It’s just not my lane. I think the closer you once were to those beliefs the more convincing you’ll be to people still on the inside. People like me who have never even fathomed some of the things these people believe... idk I think we’re out of our depth.
ETA I realize this could just be me trying to justify telling everyone who voted for Trump to fuck off. 😂
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Post by willow on Jan 11, 2021 15:26:43 GMT -6
Fuck Bob Kroll. Good fucking riddance.
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Post by oreobitsy on Jan 11, 2021 15:43:45 GMT -6
That was a really good read and I hope the message gets out. Thank you for sharing. This part resonated with me: “Humans—like nations—are not going to perform radical surgery on cancers that they don’t think are part of them. Instead of seeing white supremacists as the greatest domestic-terror threat of our time, too many see them as marginal actors. Thus, the marginal response to the carnage. Thus, the carnage continues.”
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Post by Rebel on Jan 11, 2021 15:46:52 GMT -6
I just need to say that I have LOVED the discussion today about cults and messaging and psychology, etc. It’s got my brain going a million miles an hour as to how I can make small changes (phrasing, etc) that could help over the long term.
You are my people.
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Post by karabear on Jan 11, 2021 15:55:40 GMT -6
I just need to say that I have LOVED the discussion today about cults and messaging and psychology, etc. It’s got my brain going a million miles an hour as to how I can make small changes (phrasing, etc) that could help over the long term. You are my people. You have some really great ideas, and I really love the way you are channeling your anger in to optimistic action and productive change! Just in case that didn’t come across from my Leslie Knope joke.
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Post by ktg on Jan 11, 2021 16:00:41 GMT -6
And I just unfriended an aunt who I have no real relationship with because I'm not in her sphere of influence. I don't have the bandwidth for her.
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Post by Rebel on Jan 11, 2021 16:09:59 GMT -6
I just need to say that I have LOVED the discussion today about cults and messaging and psychology, etc. It’s got my brain going a million miles an hour as to how I can make small changes (phrasing, etc) that could help over the long term. You are my people. You have some really great ideas, and I really love the way you are channeling your anger in to optimistic action and productive change! Just in case that didn’t come across from my Leslie Knope joke. Lol thank you!❤️ Hopefully we can figure something out that positively impacts this country. Circling the drain has been EXHAUSTING 😂
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Post by ktg on Jan 11, 2021 16:11:15 GMT -6
Suspended better be the first step toward firing/charges...
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Post by layloo on Jan 11, 2021 16:43:31 GMT -6
I eagerly await more meltdown videos as these people have their lives ruined on account of their own actions. Party of law and order, your table is ready. And when they become unemployable we should instruct them to take personal responsibility and use their bootstraps They better quit Starbucks and avocado toast. Although... I’m not sure if terrorist like those things.
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 11, 2021 17:30:02 GMT -6
Lol H just told me Amazon pulled Parler off their web service. Amazing.
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Post by mathlete on Jan 11, 2021 17:44:49 GMT -6
And when they become unemployable we should instruct them to take personal responsibility and use their bootstraps They better quit Starbucks and avocado toast. Although... I’m not sure if terrorist like those things. This is extra funny now that horned man is pissed jail won't give him organic food.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 11, 2021 18:43:48 GMT -6
Seth Rogen and Hugh Hewitt are having a knock down drag out fight on Twitter because, ya know, why not?
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Post by jkjacq on Jan 11, 2021 18:58:53 GMT -6
So I wrote a missive on my fb page yesterday A friend ish wrote a reply about how I wasn’t willing to listen to the other side. I asked which of my thoughts they disagreed with; human rights etc No response Cue six and half hours later and they posted their brand new parl.er handle. Sucks they got deplatformed right after.
This person is a fed employee and I’m just thinking to myself that’s one way to maybe lose your job
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Post by greykitty on Jan 11, 2021 19:10:28 GMT -6
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Post by ktg on Jan 11, 2021 19:11:03 GMT -6
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Post by overboard on Jan 11, 2021 19:21:37 GMT -6
Lol y’all are too quick. Just saw the statement from bill. There’s a tiny grain of integrity there??? Color me shocked.
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