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Post by Minerva on Jan 4, 2021 12:49:17 GMT -6
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Post by athn64 on Jan 4, 2021 13:00:31 GMT -6
lemondrop, I really appreciate your expertise in the matter. I hope they stay with the current protocols.
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Post by byjove on Jan 4, 2021 13:07:16 GMT -6
I think unfortunately it comes down to the fact that a lot of people aren't going to stay home. Even if they don't have to go to work/school/can't dine in or go into non essential business. They will gather in homes with each other or wherever they want, and in most states, no one will do shit about it. You have all these Trumper governors and Law enforcement saying they aren't going to enforce or fine or shut down shit right now. I don't think they'll care if Biden orders a shutdown. I would love to be wrong. Agreed. We can talk about "should" all day long, but we're in the reality we're in. It would be lovely if people got the support and messaging they needed, but this is where we are. The government isn't going to help us. They just aren't. We have to operate with that basic truth. I have a good friend from grad school who is from China (currently still works and lives in the US) and told me that truth at the beginning of coronavirus- it was so obvious to him. It's stuck with me.
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Post by AmyG on Jan 4, 2021 13:25:25 GMT -6
Im thinking to the idea that the vaccine is never going to keep you from catching covid, just keep you at the not getting seriously ill.
And thinking back to the idea that whichever vaccine will likely not give life long immunity, likely be added to flu shot eventually and given annually.
So if thats the case, im hoping if the do the 1 shot to more people and then do another shot when they get more doses. And then do another shot at time of this falls flu shots. Maybe it will work Sort of
because we just dont have enough doses regardless of how its done to make a lot of difference do we?
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Post by AmyG on Jan 4, 2021 13:26:17 GMT -6
Big issue is not enough people to give the vaccines.
They need to hire people trained to give shots. Which takes $ for pay Plus training. And more ppe.
If they could get all the nursing students nationwide in on this, they usually are taught how to wear ppe, hand hygiene, hippa stuffs, and how to give shots in block 1. They arent certified in anything yet but if they counted it towards clinical hours they might not even have to pay them. Probably in school emts and paramedics too.
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Post by lemondrop on Jan 4, 2021 14:24:09 GMT -6
Im thinking to the idea that the vaccine is never going to keep you from catching covid, just keep you at the not getting seriously ill.And thinking back to the idea that whichever vaccine will likely not give life long immunity, likely be added to flu shot eventually and given annually. So if thats the case, im hoping if the do the 1 shot to more people and then do another shot when they get more doses. And then do another shot at time of this falls flu shots. Maybe it will work Sort of because we just dont have enough doses regardless of how its done to make a lot of difference do we? The first highlight isn't really true. 95% efficacy damn near shows that you won't get Covid. The unfortunate spot we're in, is that we're in an uncontrolled pandemic. So that 5% is more likely just because of sheer numbers of carriers than 5% in a controlled pandemic. If someone gets one dose, they need the secondary dose because we don't know how long efficacy lasts with one dose. We don't even really know how long efficacy lasts with 2 doses because it hasn't been long enough. However, you can't give someone one dose, not give them the second one, and hope and pray that they can get the secondary dose before the efficacy of the 1st dose runs out (essentially, because I didn't know this is how it works - the first dose ups your immune response, and then it can crash within weeks/ months - getting the secondary dose is what ups your immune response back up and maintains efficacy for a long(er) period of time). For all we know, efficacy could crash for many people within 45-60 days. So then what? We have millions of people who have gotten one dose of a vaccine that's now not really worth anything. I know timing is an issue, and morally it sucks. But Covid will 100% still be here in March 2021 (sorry y'all), and we need all of the people who have gotten vaccinated to get appropriately dosed. If a 1/2 dose works, I will willingly and happily eat crow. But if a half dose was tested previously, they would have taken that protocol to the FDA, not the full 100 ug dose.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 14:37:17 GMT -6
I have a lot of words to say about people and most are not nice. No one is going to stay home or wear a mask that didn’t before. We’ve got the most dem leadership ever here and people are protesting masks still, shutting down places that require them, doing whatever they want. There’s not enforcement and now they just want to recall the governor. At the same exact time that we are being told you only get an ICU bed if someone dies and a bed frees up.
The bottom line is that people think they are the exception. They hear all the stories and think “it won’t happen to me”. I can’t understand the mentality that you literally have to contract it yourself to know it’s real. All the stories I’ve heard (either first hand or through the media) are enough to keep me following the rules. But I guess it’s not enough for some people.
And these same people either don’t want the vaccine or are complaining they can’t get it soon enough. Just sit your ass down and wait 5 minutes. You’re life hasn’t changed all that much anyways, so what’s the rush, Karen?
Phew. Sorry for the rant. I’m just pissed.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 14:39:43 GMT -6
Big issue is not enough people to give the vaccines. They need to hire people trained to give shots. Which takes $ for pay Plus training. And more ppe. If they could get all the nursing students nationwide in on this, they usually are taught how to wear ppe, hand hygiene, hippa stuffs, and how to give shots in block 1. They arent certified in anything yet but if they counted it towards clinical hours they might not even have to pay them. Probably in school emts and paramedics too. The logistical operation of this is what a normal administration would have been working on from day 1. This lazy piece of shit President thinks he can have a parade because we have a vaccine. Doesn’t mean anything if they can’t get it to people. Just another way in which his hands are covered in blood. There are so many ways this could be accomplished and we are just shitting the bed. And, it would be a job creator and an economic boast. But we know they don’t give a shit about that.
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Post by byjove on Jan 4, 2021 14:41:39 GMT -6
The numbers and near vertical slope in the rise of cases in the UK is mind boggling- helped along by the new variant. I can't even think where we are going to be in a few weeks (in the US). We know the new variant is in at least 3 states? Likely more?
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 14:44:16 GMT -6
I do think the fact that it disproportionately has impacted Black and brown people is a huge factor that we don’t even fully understand yet. The other day, in a mostly white neighborhood on my NextDoor feed, someone posted “does anyone know anyone that has actually had Covid?” And most people said no. But we are literally bordered by two cities that have huge numbers of cases in the Latino and Asian populations. So, yeah, a bunch of white people aren’t seeing the problem and demanding everything be opened. Not caring about how much they are exposing the people who have to work at the places they just can’t live without. And instead of asking the government to pay the business owners to stay closed and pay their employees, they are yelling about freedoms and oppression. Makes me want to throw up.
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Post by byjove on Jan 4, 2021 14:48:29 GMT -6
Random musings... the BLM protests coincided with just about the peak of cases in DC last June (until now). And now more protests are expected and we plan to reach a new peak in the next couple of weeks. I know these things aren't necessarily related and the protests aren't even about covid, but it's interesting.
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Post by greykitty on Jan 4, 2021 14:53:34 GMT -6
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 14:57:17 GMT -6
The numbers and near vertical slope in the rise of cases in the UK is mind boggling- helped along by the new variant. I can't even think where we are going to be in a few weeks (in the US). We know the new variant is in at least 3 states? Likely more? Ugh. I honestly can’t look at those numbers because it scares me too much.
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Post by elle on Jan 4, 2021 14:57:57 GMT -6
The numbers and near vertical slope in the rise of cases in the UK is mind boggling- helped along by the new variant. I can't even think where we are going to be in a few weeks (in the US). We know the new variant is in at least 3 states? Likely more? I just saw an LA Times headline saying the new variant was found in Big Bear so add California to your list if it wasn't on it already.
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Post by msdrdg on Jan 4, 2021 15:10:10 GMT -6
Can I ask an opinion? DS has been going to in person karate class since July. They have taped out squares and limited class size and everyone must be masked. Some parents stick their nose out of their masks but they sit on the very other end of the dojang. The teacher was exposed and tested positive just before Christmas. The 23rd I think. They closed the school for the week between Christmas and New Years. I know that the teacher has been out to dinner in the past week. DS is supposed to go back to class tomorrow. I'm torn. I know in theory it's been "enough" days that it is "safe" for the teacher to be back in public but.... DS's mental health is very much tied to his ability to go to karate. I don't want to compromise his mental health but I'm scared for his physical health (and mine). Help?
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Post by dc2london on Jan 4, 2021 15:10:12 GMT -6
I agree goldenbird. With the number of people on Facebook I see having large gatherings, traveling all over, etc I really don’t see anything changing that. I think people are tired from trying to do the precautions. So much of our society now is all about instant gratification that people aren’t used to actual long times to do things, such as precautions necessary right now. My SIL has mentioned why should she continue to head all the precautions and staying home when everyone else is out and about enjoying their lives. I think the messaging has been such a fuck up since the beginning. Yup unfortunately at this point I don't think Biden can do as much as far as messaging and getting people to do the right thing. The time for that was a year ago but we had a manbaby who couldn't do the right thing for once in his life. And the ironic thing is that if he handled things correctly, I think he would have won the election. He just could not look past the next days bad news cycle. I really really think he only lost bc of covid and that doesn't make me feel good about....anything
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Post by byjove on Jan 4, 2021 15:12:02 GMT -6
The numbers and near vertical slope in the rise of cases in the UK is mind boggling- helped along by the new variant. I can't even think where we are going to be in a few weeks (in the US). We know the new variant is in at least 3 states? Likely more? I just saw an LA Times headline saying the new variant was found in Big Bear so add California to your list if it wasn't on it already. I know TX, CO, FL, CA, and NY just announced it's been found there too. ETA ok, I swear I saw a headline for it in TX on twitter, but maybe it's not there yet.
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Post by cakewench on Jan 4, 2021 15:13:39 GMT -6
I agree goldenbird . With the number of people on Facebook I see having large gatherings, traveling all over, etc I really don’t see anything changing that. I think people are tired from trying to do the precautions. So much of our society now is all about instant gratification that people aren’t used to actual long times to do things, such as precautions necessary right now. My SIL has mentioned why should she continue to head all the precautions and staying home when everyone else is out and about enjoying their lives. I think the messaging has been such a fuck up since the beginning. Yup unfortunately at this point I don't think Biden can do as much as far as messaging and getting people to do the right thing. The time for that was a year ago but we had a manbaby who couldn't do the right thing for once in his life. And the ironic thing is that if he handled things correctly, I think he would have won the election. He just could not look past the next days bad news cycle. This is what continually boggles me. A strong response to COVID would only have helped him. And saved lives. And my brain is literally incapable of processing why someone would choose to do the literal opposite, and that he's being cheered for it.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 4, 2021 15:16:01 GMT -6
Boris closed the schools in the UK
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 15:21:57 GMT -6
Yup unfortunately at this point I don't think Biden can do as much as far as messaging and getting people to do the right thing. The time for that was a year ago but we had a manbaby who couldn't do the right thing for once in his life. And the ironic thing is that if he handled things correctly, I think he would have won the election. He just could not look past the next days bad news cycle. This is what continually boggles me. A strong response to COVID would only have helped him. And saved lives. And my brain is literally incapable of processing why someone would choose to do the literal opposite, and that he's being cheered for it. Because it doesn’t make him or his friends rich. I think that’s it. They only like expedient get rich schemes.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 15:22:16 GMT -6
Boris closed the schools in the UK I don’t see what other option they have unfortunately.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 15:29:05 GMT -6
Ok, since I’ve been such a Debbie downer ranter today, this is actually good news. Help is coming friends. Hold on.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 4, 2021 16:03:53 GMT -6
The numbers and near vertical slope in the rise of cases in the UK is mind boggling- helped along by the new variant. I can't even think where we are going to be in a few weeks (in the US). We know the new variant is in at least 3 states? Likely more? Ugh. I honestly can’t look at those numbers because it scares me too much. Same same. In fact I'll just second everything you posted today, including the rant.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 16:07:18 GMT -6
CA is going to let Dentists, pharm techs, and national guard administer the vaccines. (With training of course). Also, they are saying we are having distribution problems with the Moderna vaccine. Which tracks with my health system’s experience. I don’t think we’ve gotten any of that one yet. But they also took the projected received doses off our dashboard because they were so inaccurate.
ETA: as of 12/28 they had vaccinated all people working in high acuity settings. Those folks start getting the second dose on 1/6. They are now working on all other patient facing folks. At our community hospital they have enough to vaccinate all employees (much smaller workforce and different county).
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Post by goldenlove on Jan 4, 2021 16:08:35 GMT -6
Yup unfortunately at this point I don't think Biden can do as much as far as messaging and getting people to do the right thing. The time for that was a year ago but we had a manbaby who couldn't do the right thing for once in his life. And the ironic thing is that if he handled things correctly, I think he would have won the election. He just could not look past the next days bad news cycle. This is what continually boggles me. A strong response to COVID would only have helped him. And saved lives. And my brain is literally incapable of processing why someone would choose to do the literal opposite, and that he's being cheered for it. To me it seemed like all he cared about was his reelection which meant keeping the stock market happy. Even people who didn't like him as a person would still credit the "strong" economy to him. Any bad news made the stock market tank which made him try to cover it up more but it would backfire. Remember that press conference about shutting down our borders to europe that caused a panic?? He should have just stayed out of the response but needed to take credit for everything and try to get good press.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 16:15:08 GMT -6
Can I ask an opinion? DS has been going to in person karate class since July. They have taped out squares and limited class size and everyone must be masked. Some parents stick their nose out of their masks but they sit on the very other end of the dojang. The teacher was exposed and tested positive just before Christmas. The 23rd I think. They closed the school for the week between Christmas and New Years. I know that the teacher has been out to dinner in the past week. DS is supposed to go back to class tomorrow. I'm torn. I know in theory it's been "enough" days that it is "safe" for the teacher to be back in public but.... DS's mental health is very much tied to his ability to go to karate. I don't want to compromise his mental health but I'm scared for his physical health (and mine). Help? Did the instructor expose anyone in class? If it’s contained to just him, and everyone has to wear masks, I might consider sending your DS if it’s that important to his mental health. If there’s any question of additional exposure I might wait until next week to send him, just to see if it pops up in anyone else. Actually, if the instructor tested + on 12/23, tomorrow would be too soon for me (I’d want to wait at least 14 days).
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Post by thatgolfb on Jan 4, 2021 16:19:06 GMT -6
I'm dumb and pregnancy brain meant I completely forgot about my vaccine appointment Saturday. I went into the portal to reschedule and there are no available appointments. I don't think I am blacklisted for missing my appointment, because they sent me a scheduling ticket right away and it clearly says first dose. I am hoping more appointments open up. Ugh. So dumb of me. Oh well.
Our hospital did receive the Moderna vaccine and it looks like that's what most of my immediate coworkers are getting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 16:19:31 GMT -6
CA is going to let Dentists, pharm techs, and national guard administer the vaccines. (With training of course). Also, they are saying we are having distribution problems with the Moderna vaccine. Which tracks with my health system’s experience. I don’t think we’ve gotten any of that one yet. But they also took the projected received doses off our dashboard because they were so inaccurate. ETA: as of 12/28 they had vaccinated all people working in high acuity settings. Those folks start getting the second dose on 1/6. They are now working on all other patient facing folks. At our community hospital they have enough to vaccinate all employees (much smaller workforce and different county). I appreciated the clarification he provided that hey, “the state” did not receive the vaccine. Facilities that could store it and distribute it received the vaccine. And the state is supporting the vaccination process and reporting on it, but it’s so hugely complex with lots of players and decisions involved. I mean this is all common sense, but I think it’s good to articulate it.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 16:23:42 GMT -6
CA is going to let Dentists, pharm techs, and national guard administer the vaccines. (With training of course). Also, they are saying we are having distribution problems with the Moderna vaccine. Which tracks with my health system’s experience. I don’t think we’ve gotten any of that one yet. But they also took the projected received doses off our dashboard because they were so inaccurate. ETA: as of 12/28 they had vaccinated all people working in high acuity settings. Those folks start getting the second dose on 1/6. They are now working on all other patient facing folks. At our community hospital they have enough to vaccinate all employees (much smaller workforce and different county). I appreciated the clarification he provided that hey, “the state” did not receive the vaccine. Facilities that could store it and distribute it received the vaccine. And the state is supporting the vaccination process and reporting on it, but it’s so hugely complex with lots of players and decisions involved. I mean this is all common sense, but I think it’s good to articulate it. That’s good to know. I didn’t get a chance to listen to his presser today yet. I was just hearing clips.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 4, 2021 16:25:23 GMT -6
Oh and my work launched weekly self administered covid tests for asymptomatic people. I’m happy. I’m going to test weekly until I’m fully vaccinated. And watch my anxiety go down. Lol.
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