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Post by abs on Jan 3, 2021 11:25:47 GMT -6
The theory that the new strain is making kids sicker has been debunked. Really? Do you have a link? This is great news if true. I’ve been really dreading the return to school. Thank you for all your thoughts!!
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Post by jaygee on Jan 3, 2021 11:30:46 GMT -6
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Post by AmyG on Jan 3, 2021 11:32:30 GMT -6
The worry and why uk is freaking out is the exponential growth potential. Stressed hospitals and just not enough doses to give to enough people to change the course.
If it takes hold here We have 1 gives it to 2 people Becomes 20k gives it to 40k. 40k gives it to 80k Quickly evetybody gets it. Quickly death rate becomes exponential, but even if it stays stable .04 of 20k becomes .04 of 80k.
And we've only started really identifying this variant. It could be more wide spread and explaining why some careful states are seeing huge jump in numbers. Holidays plus this variant recipe for disaster.
Stay the course with promised doses for hcw. But start that research and testing on how much you get from 1 dose plus how long to stretch out 2nd dose. So people get less immunity at first but when they catch covid (not if) they will feel like they have a cold cause their immune system is primed.
In az we dont have enough $ or enough nurses/trained people to give covid shots. So phase 1a is barely functioning. My sons senior living hasnt gotten shots yet. Or his emt & paramedic friends, that work in phoenix, 5th largest city in us. Gf got hers on reservation serving hospital. Im last level as is my youngest. So unless something changes to speed this up, more vaccines, more shot givers, I dont expect to get vaccine until fall/winter.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 3, 2021 11:34:07 GMT -6
Of course, if there is more spread, that’s going to impact all ages with just more cases. So it may be that schools, which have been relatively low spreading places so far, starting showing a higher rate of spread. But it’s not going to outpace community spread it seems. So the same risks are present it’s just that the rate of infection is going to be higher across the board. Now more then ever we need to stick with the simple, effective measures of hand hygiene, masks, and social distancing.
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Post by Minerva on Jan 3, 2021 11:34:34 GMT -6
Hi, I’m back with strong opinions. I’m a hard no on delaying the second dose here in the US. I don’t think it’s the right move. We need to follow what the clinical trials tested and showed effective. We need people fully vaccinated. My health system’s first round of second doses are scheduled for 1/6 (this is Pfizer only we haven’t administered Moderna yet) so in two weeks we will have thousands fully vaccinated up to the 95% effective rate. That’s astounding and what we need. The problems I’m seeing is with fighting over who gets it first that is slowing down the administration. Also, the federal government is saying numbers are coming that are not actually showing up which makes it difficult to plan administration. And the last issue is just plan resources. States and counties need money to pay for people to administer the shots (aka already overworked healthcare workers) and spaces to do so. You need big open spaces so that people don’t get covid while they are getting the shot. They need to queue up safely and then wait the 15 minutes to watch for a reaction and then have someone schedule the second shot right there. It’s a big operation. We should have been planning for it. But unfortunately it’s falling to the same health departments that are already overworked with contact tracing and battling the pandemic. We need to activate the military to conduct a widespread administration operation imo. This is where I am. Let’s just focus on getting vaccines into people as planned. It’s already logistically challenging. Let’s not add more moving pieces to the vaccination effort right now. Instead, use the new COVID strain to implore (or perhaps compel) people to mask up, distance, and stay home during the early months of vaccination. Those really are the most valuable weapons ordinary people have against COVID right now.
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Post by abs on Jan 3, 2021 11:36:15 GMT -6
Thank you so much!! My anxiety has been out of control. This helps.
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Post by flippinchica on Jan 3, 2021 11:42:42 GMT -6
lemondrop I heard about that idea but don’t remember from where. I know there is the train of thought of “better if everyone is at 50% safe vs less at 90%” or whatever. They’re wrong, but ... yeah. My hospital and DHs hospital are NOT doing that. We’re all already scheduled to get our second doses. They make you sign up basically right after you get the first one. Thank goodness. Same here. I'm getting my 2nd dose on the 11th.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 3, 2021 11:44:22 GMT -6
Thank you so much!! My anxiety has been out of control. This helps. Oh gosh yes. I’m an anxious mess again. It’s so bad here right now and everyone seems to have given up. I’m on the fence about even going to the grocery store today.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jan 3, 2021 11:51:57 GMT -6
I also don't think this policy will change in the US.
It makes a bit more sense in countries not getting enough vaccine and with national health systems that are already well oiled machines on health distribution.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 3, 2021 11:52:28 GMT -6
Hi, I’m back with strong opinions. I’m a hard no on delaying the second dose here in the US. I don’t think it’s the right move. We need to follow what the clinical trials tested and showed effective. We need people fully vaccinated. My health system’s first round of second doses are scheduled for 1/6 (this is Pfizer only we haven’t administered Moderna yet) so in two weeks we will have thousands fully vaccinated up to the 95% effective rate. That’s astounding and what we need. The problems I’m seeing is with fighting over who gets it first that is slowing down the administration. Also, the federal government is saying numbers are coming that are not actually showing up which makes it difficult to plan administration. And the last issue is just plan resources. States and counties need money to pay for people to administer the shots (aka already overworked healthcare workers) and spaces to do so. You need big open spaces so that people don’t get covid while they are getting the shot. They need to queue up safely and then wait the 15 minutes to watch for a reaction and then have someone schedule the second shot right there. It’s a big operation. We should have been planning for it. But unfortunately it’s falling to the same health departments that are already overworked with contact tracing and battling the pandemic. We need to activate the military to conduct a widespread administration operation imo. This is where I am. Let’s just focus on getting vaccines into people as planned. It’s already logistically challenging. Let’s not add more moving pieces to the vaccination effort right now. Instead, use the new COVID strain to implore (or perhaps compel) people to mask up, distance, and stay home during the early months of vaccination. Those really are the most valuable weapons ordinary people have against COVID right now. That's almost exactly what Tony said on MtP
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Post by richard on Jan 3, 2021 12:08:07 GMT -6
Of course, if there is more spread, that’s going to impact all ages with just more cases. So it may be that schools, which have been relatively low spreading places so far, starting showing a higher rate of spread. But it’s not going to outpace community spread it seems. So the same risks are present it’s just that the rate of infection is going to be higher across the board. Now more then ever we need to stick with the simple, effective measures of hand hygiene, masks, and social distancing. Yeah it does make me wonder about whether schools would be able to maintain hybrid/in-person learning consistently.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 3, 2021 12:21:12 GMT -6
Of course, if there is more spread, that’s going to impact all ages with just more cases. So it may be that schools, which have been relatively low spreading places so far, starting showing a higher rate of spread. But it’s not going to outpace community spread it seems. So the same risks are present it’s just that the rate of infection is going to be higher across the board. Now more then ever we need to stick with the simple, effective measures of hand hygiene, masks, and social distancing. Yeah it does make me wonder about whether schools would be able to maintain hybrid/in-person learning consistently. Agreed. I mean, we haven’t even gotten to that stage yet here so I don’t know what it will look like. Our district did receive a waiver to start hybrid for K-2 on 1/20. For now, we are opting out, but we’ll see how it goes. CA also announced a 2 B investment to get kids back in school by spring. I’m happy to see that because this is unsustainable for many populations. I’m hoping that a lot of the hurdles experienced here will be helped with money. I think getting educators vaccinated will be a big help too as in many districts opening has been directly stopped by teacher’s unions. Which I don’t blame at all but it’s just a hurdle we need to clear.
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Post by greykitty on Jan 3, 2021 12:38:49 GMT -6
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Post by Minerva on Jan 3, 2021 12:58:44 GMT -6
This is where I am. Let’s just focus on getting vaccines into people as planned. It’s already logistically challenging. Let’s not add more moving pieces to the vaccination effort right now. Instead, use the new COVID strain to implore (or perhaps compel) people to mask up, distance, and stay home during the early months of vaccination. Those really are the most valuable weapons ordinary people have against COVID right now. That's almost exactly what Tony said on MtP I love that man so much, even if I can throw a better curve ball than him.
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Post by greykitty on Jan 3, 2021 13:38:54 GMT -6
Again, preaching to the choir, but for those who have older family members/friends, perhaps remind them that there are scam artists preying on those waiting for vaccines. Especially seeing how there are some true glitches in the roll out, I can see how easy it would be for some to fall for these cons. www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-2020/coronavirus-vaccine-scams.htmlOn my NextDoor, I realized that there are a lot of people who think MyChart is some standalone medical alert system, not a tool used by many medical practices. One person said her MyChart had some sort of 'sign up for info about COVID' and kind of panicked a lot of people who didn't see any such notice - since they had a different medical practice. People just aren't reading and/or understanding information out there in many cases.
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Post by willow on Jan 3, 2021 16:46:35 GMT -6
The rumor is that it’s highly likely our judicial branch is going to suspend all of our in person non-criminal court hearings until the end of 2021. My boss has been going off of the courts for when we’ll go back to the office so this should be interesting.
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Post by jaygee on Jan 3, 2021 17:12:17 GMT -6
Again, preaching to the choir, but for those who have older family members/friends, perhaps remind them that there are scam artists preying on those waiting for vaccines. Especially seeing how there are some true glitches in the roll out, I can see how easy it would be for some to fall for these cons. www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-2020/coronavirus-vaccine-scams.htmlOn my NextDoor, I realized that there are a lot of people who think MyChart is some standalone medical alert system, not a tool used by many medical practices. One person said her MyChart had some sort of 'sign up for info about COVID' and kind of panicked a lot of people who didn't see any such notice - since they had a different medical practice. People just aren't reading and/or understanding information out there in many cases. Ugh. That’s so scary and sad. I can definitely see how people could get confused about mychart. This is why the federal government should really be doing the roll out and not individual organizations. But alas...
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Post by trueblue on Jan 3, 2021 18:36:38 GMT -6
Spoiler: the 13YO tested positive today (expected). I was texting a friend about my now (minimum) month long quarantine and she asked why it was necessary now that we have rapid tests and quarantines are not necessary anymore. I asked her to send me any info she had on that.
Also: I know now why our positivity rate is over 30% and why this country can’t get a handle on this.
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Post by Rebel on Jan 3, 2021 18:52:26 GMT -6
Heyyyyyy so as usual I’m high and brainstorming. Lol
I’m trying to think of a way to get the majority of Covid under control and quickly. Bear with me.
Biden is inaugurated and works with governors to do a hard lockdown. School is out for 2 weeks. People can work from home if possible or take a federal stimulus of say $2k to cover unpaid leave (so people can’t double dip- I mean *I* don’t care if they do, but thinking of how to sell it).
Beyond THAT we do testing on a large scale. Aim to test EVERYONE in the county in that 2 week timeframe. In order to graduate that 2 week lock down, you must have a negative Covid test.
Then we track, trace, and isolate positive cases.
Essential businesses can remain open during that period, but we utilize the massive supply of rapid tests we have and use those for essential workers before they report to work, on customers before they enter a store, etc.
It would be a huge undertaking. You would need tests, people to give them, PPE, across the entire United States. All states would have to cooperate. And it wouldn’t solve Covid. But we could get a handle on it in a few WEEKS rather than the horrific months I expect we will see with this new contagious Covid strain.
Tell me if I’m crazy. Lol
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Post by geekygirly on Jan 3, 2021 18:57:00 GMT -6
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Post by athn64 on Jan 3, 2021 19:14:15 GMT -6
I would definitely want there to be more of a study on that before they do anything of the sort. If it can be as effective, then great, go for it. But we need more data.
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Post by lemondrop on Jan 3, 2021 19:31:33 GMT -6
I want to know where this evidence came from, because nothing I’ve seen indicates a half dose 2x will be as effective as 2 full doses. PDQ:
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Post by summerbabe on Jan 3, 2021 19:34:57 GMT -6
Ugh lemondrop. Thanks for sharing though, and fingers crossed.
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Post by richard on Jan 3, 2021 21:08:56 GMT -6
I feel like focusing on the logistics of getting available vaccines in people should be the priority. Like can we please pay attention to that right now? Because we’ve only administered 1/3 of the doses we have and that’s to the easiest groups to get it to.
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jan 4, 2021 1:34:07 GMT -6
I also don't think this policy will change in the US. It makes a bit more sense in countries not getting enough vaccine and with national health systems that are already well oiled machines on health distribution. I feel like that's where most of Western Europe is at. Germany has got a great distribution system set up and staffed, and they're having to cancel all the appointments already made here (in my region) between Jan 10-25 or something because they're not getting a planned shipment of the vaccine because it's just not available yet. Here the problem really is that right now, there's not enough doses.
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Post by blurnette989 on Jan 4, 2021 6:12:38 GMT -6
I also don't think this policy will change in the US. It makes a bit more sense in countries not getting enough vaccine and with national health systems that are already well oiled machines on health distribution. I feel like that's where most of Western Europe is at. Germany has got a great distribution system set up and staffed, and they're having to cancel all the appointments already made here (in my region) between Jan 10-25 or something because they're not getting a planned shipment of the vaccine because it's just not available yet. Here the problem really is that right now, there's not enough doses. This is our issue in Portugal for sure. We don't have even as many doses as companies have promised us. I mean in the first 2 days we did vaccinations we vaccinated 16,000 people. It was literally every vaccine dose we got. If the vaccine companies don't make good on delivering to us, we may be screwed on dose 2 anyways.
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Post by Uncaripswife on Jan 4, 2021 6:41:08 GMT -6
Once again the US has a lot of something yet colossally fails at distributing it to the people who need it the most.
FFS
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Post by crimsonandclover on Jan 4, 2021 6:50:35 GMT -6
I feel like that's where most of Western Europe is at. Germany has got a great distribution system set up and staffed, and they're having to cancel all the appointments already made here (in my region) between Jan 10-25 or something because they're not getting a planned shipment of the vaccine because it's just not available yet. Here the problem really is that right now, there's not enough doses. This is our issue in Portugal for sure. We don't have even as many doses as companies have promised us. I mean in the first 2 days we did vaccinations we vaccinated 16,000 people. It was literally every vaccine dose we got. If the vaccine companies don't make good on delivering to us, we may be screwed on dose 2 anyways. And here they reserved a 2nd dose for everyone getting the first one, but bc the next shipments are delayed, it has launched the debate on "so should we just give one dose and keep giving the group 1 people the 1st shot, hoping the next deliveries come in time for the 2nd? Or should we give those who have had the 1st dose their 2nd and tell the rest of the super high-risk people in group 1 that they're SOL until more deliveries come through"?
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Post by trueblue on Jan 4, 2021 7:00:54 GMT -6
Heyyyyyy so as usual I’m high and brainstorming. Lol I’m trying to think of a way to get the majority of Covid under control and quickly. Bear with me. Biden is inaugurated and works with governors to do a hard lockdown. School is out for 2 weeks. People can work from home if possible or take a federal stimulus of say $2k to cover unpaid leave (so people can’t double dip- I mean *I* don’t care if they do, but thinking of how to sell it). Beyond THAT we do testing on a large scale. Aim to test EVERYONE in the county in that 2 week timeframe. In order to graduate that 2 week lock down, you must have a negative Covid test. Then we track, trace, and isolate positive cases. Essential businesses can remain open during that period, but we utilize the massive supply of rapid tests we have and use those for essential workers before they report to work, on customers before they enter a store, etc. It would be a huge undertaking. You would need tests, people to give them, PPE, across the entire United States. All states would have to cooperate. And it wouldn’t solve Covid. But we could get a handle on it in a few WEEKS rather than the horrific months I expect we will see with this new contagious Covid strain. Tell me if I’m crazy. Lol The problem is it won’t catch all the cases-there was a 6 day incubation period between H’s symptom onset and the 13YO’s. The 13YO tested negative on 12/27, positive on 1/3. The cascading quarantine requirements (if you follow them are onerous). I already WAH so it doesn’t impact me financially but if I didn’t I don’t know how I would handle it otherwise. Under our current state, the 10YO and I will be in quarantine until 1/23-we went into a proactive quarantine on 12/23 when H got word he was exposed to an asymptomatic individual on 12/20. That could easily be extended into February depending on whether the 10YO or I become symptomatic or test positive....its a freaking mess.
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Post by dc2london on Jan 4, 2021 7:02:58 GMT -6
Awwww Rebel bless your beautiful heart
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