jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Aug 11, 2020 15:58:53 GMT -6
Lets have a new thread now we know!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 16:00:40 GMT -6
YES PLEASE!
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TheoV2
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Post by TheoV2 on Aug 11, 2020 16:00:43 GMT -6
I feel like it might be worthwhile having links/rebuttals for arguments against Biden or Harris. Thoughts? I'm already seeing complaints about her criminal justice record.
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jaygee
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Post by jaygee on Aug 11, 2020 16:06:56 GMT -6
I feel like it might be worthwhile having links/rebuttals for arguments against Biden or Harris. Thoughts? I'm already seeing complaints about her criminal justice record. I will come back and link, but hands down the best breakdowns of Kamala’s record are done by @blackwomansviews on twitter. She has awesome videos.
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dc2london
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Post by dc2london on Aug 11, 2020 16:27:00 GMT -6
I feel like it might be worthwhile having links/rebuttals for arguments against Biden or Harris. Thoughts? I'm already seeing complaints about her criminal justice record. I will come back and link, but hands down the best breakdowns of Kamala’s record are done by @blackwomansviews on twitter. She has awesome videos. Yes. Also USA Today and NYT had stories in the last few days
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byjove
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Post by byjove on Aug 11, 2020 16:28:23 GMT -6
Everyone I know is freaking out in the best way about this!!! Eeep!
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Post by notblanche on Aug 11, 2020 16:30:52 GMT -6
I’m seeing a lot of “Kamala the cop” from progressive WW and I’m not here for it. Not when the alternative is fascism
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Post by notblanche on Aug 11, 2020 16:33:39 GMT -6
Just what we need on a night like this: Kamala’s summer playlist
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 16:37:45 GMT -6
Went to add Jaygee's suggestion on Twitter and see phony Kamala is trending. That didn't take long.
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richard
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Post by richard on Aug 11, 2020 16:44:17 GMT -6
I feel like it might be worthwhile having links/rebuttals for arguments against Biden or Harris. Thoughts? I'm already seeing complaints about her criminal justice record. I think this can be a valid criticism though. I don’t think there necessarily has to be a rebuttal to everything - to the bullshit like being too ambitious or Willie Brown or what not, yes. And I think trying to rebut people who have lived experience with the inequities of the criminal justice system if you don’t is a particularly bad idea. Not saying that’s the case here but just in general. I think her past work is what it is and there is room for growth and evolving one’s thinking. I genuinely believe people can do that. But if you try to bend over backwards to explain away how some of her prior experience may have been harmful, then it can erase people’s stories. All that said, I do understand frustration when the people making those criticisms are white and the candidate in question is BIPOC. That feels squicky too. I am giving zero helpful tips right now.
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elle
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Post by elle on Aug 11, 2020 16:44:25 GMT -6
Went to add Jaygee's suggestion on Twitter and see phony Kamala is trending. That didn't take long. We know full well that Russian bot accounts are going to be out pushing whatever Trump is trying to sell. Whatever. That bs can't bring me down today. Not today, today is good.
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jkjacq
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Post by jkjacq on Aug 11, 2020 16:44:46 GMT -6
I’m seeing a lot of “Kamala the cop” from progressive WW and I’m not here for it. Not when the alternative is fascism Same. I am refusing to engage at this point.
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TheoV2
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Post by TheoV2 on Aug 11, 2020 16:54:36 GMT -6
I feel like it might be worthwhile having links/rebuttals for arguments against Biden or Harris. Thoughts? I'm already seeing complaints about her criminal justice record. I think this can be a valid criticism though. I don’t think there necessarily has to be a rebuttal to everything - to the bullshit like being too ambitious or Willie Brown or what not, yes. And I think trying to rebut people who have lived experience with the inequities of the criminal justice system if you don’t is a particularly bad idea. Not saying that’s the case here but just in general. I think her past work is what it is and there is room for growth and evolving one’s thinking. I genuinely believe people can do that. But if you try to bend over backwards to explain away how some of her prior experience may have been harmful, then it can erase people’s stories. All that said, I do understand frustration when the people making those criticisms are white and the candidate in question is BIPOC. That feels squicky too. I am giving zero helpful tips right now. It's all white male progressives currently. I agree that some criticisms are valid and I would NEVER try to speak against someone's lived experiences. That said, I think Trump and his cronies will be jumping on amplifying every ounce of problematic behavior.
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stepho
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Post by stepho on Aug 11, 2020 17:04:22 GMT -6
I don’t know if this is “a lot” or not, but six million!
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elle
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Post by elle on Aug 11, 2020 17:04:45 GMT -6
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jaygee
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Post by jaygee on Aug 11, 2020 17:05:51 GMT -6
I feel like it might be worthwhile having links/rebuttals for arguments against Biden or Harris. Thoughts? I'm already seeing complaints about her criminal justice record. I think this can be a valid criticism though. I don’t think there necessarily has to be a rebuttal to everything - to the bullshit like being too ambitious or Willie Brown or what not, yes. And I think trying to rebut people who have lived experience with the inequities of the criminal justice system if you don’t is a particularly bad idea. Not saying that’s the case here but just in general. I think her past work is what it is and there is room for growth and evolving one’s thinking. I genuinely believe people can do that. But if you try to bend over backwards to explain away how some of her prior experience may have been harmful, then it can erase people’s stories. All that said, I do understand frustration when the people making those criticisms are white and the candidate in question is BIPOC. That feels squicky too. I am giving zero helpful tips right now. This is so spot on. I don’t really argue against this topic. But I do focus on these things: I think context is important and there are articles that bring that in to play. The recent NYT piece is one that did it particularly well. Her own book does it well, but I don’t expect most people are going to read that. Lol. Look, it’s easy for everyone in 2020 to say she should have done this and she should have done that. Reforming the criminal justice system wasn’t a thing being spoken of outside of deep political activist circles when she became DA and later AG. California had a 3 strikes and life in prison law until recent times. What she did accomplish. The back on track program to reduce recidivism in recently released inmates, the truancy program (not the lies about it, the actual program), her AG offices huge settlement from banks for mortgage fraud and abuse during the 2008 financial crisis, her support for marriage equality before it was “popular”. She sought justice for many people in SF and CA who were traditionally shut out of the process. Black and brown victims that were not given a chance to see their loved ones cases prosecuted or even solved. She eliminated the rape test kit backlog in SF. Does she have issues in her record? Absolutely. Has she moved more to the left over time? Without a doubt. Is she progressive “enough”? I mean. Come on. Right now we are going to fight this? I think the type of people who argue about Kamala’s record in a way that is so narrow and nit picky and leave no room for mistakes or changes in position, really have to be honest if that’s how they would approach a male candidate. Would they did in to every case and personnel decision of a Beto O’Rourke or an Eric Swalwell for example. And furthermore, she has so much to examine because she has a long record. She’s had huge jobs. She’s managed more employees than Pence has currently as VP. There’s going to be some baggage there. But if you really dig in and see what she’s done and what she advocates and brings to the senate floor now, I think it speaks volumes.
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jaygee
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Post by jaygee on Aug 11, 2020 17:08:13 GMT -6
I 1000% want to hear the voices of Black, brown, LGBTQ+ folks against Kamala over any white people. I follow several dissenting voices in those communities and I take their views seriously and reflect and learn. Those voices matter. White men and women nit picking Kamala can take a whole seat.
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Dr. Cox
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Post by Dr. Cox on Aug 11, 2020 17:16:08 GMT -6
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athn64
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Post by athn64 on Aug 11, 2020 17:17:53 GMT -6
I'm so excited! Had a dental appointment and missed everything. Next time, someone tag me
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richard
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Post by richard on Aug 11, 2020 17:24:34 GMT -6
I think this can be a valid criticism though. I don’t think there necessarily has to be a rebuttal to everything - to the bullshit like being too ambitious or Willie Brown or what not, yes. And I think trying to rebut people who have lived experience with the inequities of the criminal justice system if you don’t is a particularly bad idea. Not saying that’s the case here but just in general. I think her past work is what it is and there is room for growth and evolving one’s thinking. I genuinely believe people can do that. But if you try to bend over backwards to explain away how some of her prior experience may have been harmful, then it can erase people’s stories. All that said, I do understand frustration when the people making those criticisms are white and the candidate in question is BIPOC. That feels squicky too. I am giving zero helpful tips right now. It's all white male progressives currently. I agree that some criticisms are valid and I would NEVER try to speak against someone's lived experiences. That said, I think Trump and his cronies will be jumping on amplifying every ounce of problematic behavior. Yeah, unless a white man actively advocates for people in the criminal justice system or is someway involved in directly addressing it, I think now is not the time for them to voice this criticism. Maybe sit this one out, Mr. “This is more of a statement than a question.”
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elle
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Post by elle on Aug 11, 2020 17:33:11 GMT -6
And I'm tearing up.
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elle
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Post by elle on Aug 11, 2020 17:44:40 GMT -6
Twitter is really hitting me right in the feels today.
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Post by lahdeedah on Aug 11, 2020 17:50:49 GMT -6
I don’t know if this is “a lot” or not, but six million! Right after I purchased my sign and shirt I wondered how much money this announcement made the campaign. They have been texting and emailing me non stop. I donated once and said no more until his VP pick. He had another donation and merch purchased from me within 15 minutes of the announcement.
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RajahMD
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Post by RajahMD on Aug 11, 2020 17:55:12 GMT -6
I don’t know if this is “a lot” or not, but six million! Right after I purchased my sign and shirt I wondered how much money this announcement made the campaign. They have been texting and emailing me non stop. I donated once and said no more until his VP pick. He had another donation and merch purchased from me within 15 minutes of the announcement. I've been waiting until the VP pick to donate at all. Within minutes of the announcement I ordered my first sign, and since then I've ordered buttons, vinyl stickers, and set up a recurring weekly donation. I'm all in now.
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dc2london
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Post by dc2london on Aug 11, 2020 17:55:31 GMT -6
I got two Darth likes AND Kamala is Veep nominee Best day ever!
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dc2london
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Post by dc2london on Aug 11, 2020 17:57:50 GMT -6
I think this can be a valid criticism though. I don’t think there necessarily has to be a rebuttal to everything - to the bullshit like being too ambitious or Willie Brown or what not, yes. And I think trying to rebut people who have lived experience with the inequities of the criminal justice system if you don’t is a particularly bad idea. Not saying that’s the case here but just in general. I think her past work is what it is and there is room for growth and evolving one’s thinking. I genuinely believe people can do that. But if you try to bend over backwards to explain away how some of her prior experience may have been harmful, then it can erase people’s stories. All that said, I do understand frustration when the people making those criticisms are white and the candidate in question is BIPOC. That feels squicky too. I am giving zero helpful tips right now. It's all white male progressives currently. I agree that some criticisms are valid and I would NEVER try to speak against someone's lived experiences. That said, I think Trump and his cronies will be jumping on amplifying every ounce of problematic behavior. The white male ""progressives"" tend to misconstrue or misunderstand a lot of her record, IME
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Post by coconutbacon on Aug 11, 2020 17:59:39 GMT -6
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Post by dc2london on Aug 11, 2020 17:59:55 GMT -6
I 1000% want to hear the voices of Black, brown, LGBTQ+ folks against Kamala over any white people. I follow several dissenting voices in those communities and I take their views seriously and reflect and learn. Those voices matter. White men and women nit picking Kamala can take a whole seat. It me
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stepho
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Post by stepho on Aug 11, 2020 18:01:39 GMT -6
Mark your calendars, hit the liquor stores, and prepare the bingo cards!
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Post by bunnyfungo on Aug 11, 2020 18:03:18 GMT -6
I’m seeing a lot of “Kamala the cop” from progressive WW and I’m not here for it. Not when the alternative is fascism Oh. I accidentally posted in the old thread, but it was basically this. It makes me so ragey.
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