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Post by marshian on Nov 4, 2019 5:47:27 GMT -6
Just wanted to create a space to talk about how sleep is (or isn't) going. Share your struggles. Tell us what's working. Vent about crap sleep. Brag about it going well. Muse on random topics in the MOTN. It's all welcome.
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Post by marshian on Nov 4, 2019 5:55:49 GMT -6
S is one month old tomorrow (how?!). We had our first good sleep night on Saturday followed by another crap night. Saturday H put him down at 12:50am. I fed him at 1:30. Rocked him 30 minutes and put down at 2:30. He slept until almost 5! Fed, rocked a bit, then slept another hour. It was glorious. Last night he woke as soon as H took him out of the carrier at 12:45. Nursed. Rocked a long time trying to get him actually really asleep. Transferred and he slept 40 minutes. Had H try to rock him back down. No luck. Fed him at 4. Was clearly not going to sleep. Handed off to H after an hour. He fussed at H and H wouldn't leave our room for some reason so I didn't sleep. Fed him at 6 and attempting to rock him down now so I can get just a bit of time with the toddler and to brush my teeth, etc, but it's not looking good.
Question: Currently our tactic is for H to sleep 8:30-10:30pm while I handle S (who's been cluster feeding then). I sleep 10:45-12:45am (or later if he transfers) while H keeps him calm and/or asleep in a carrier. Should we start trying to put him down at 10:30 instead of into a carrier? I can't remember when we did that with #1 but I did write down she started giving us 2-3 hour stretches at a month so I'm tempted to try it.
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Post by thinkchocolate05 on Nov 4, 2019 12:05:57 GMT -6
This is a good topic! Baby J is two months old on the 8th. We haven't got a consistent routine yet with the three kids. Dh always puts DS2 down and I always put ds1 down and we fit baby J into that mix. Sometimes I will nurse her while sitting in ds1 bed reading to him. Last night she was down swaddled with white noise in her bassinet around 9:30 and then up around 11:30 for nursing, finishing with a 2 oz bottle of breast milk around 12:30. Then she was down till 3:20, which is great for us! Then diaper change and up every hour until 6:30 at which point ds1 came out and dh was leaving for work and I gave up. The issue is she gets all sleepy and doesn't eat a full meal (at either breast or bottle) so it only keeps her for an hour and then she wakes up. The good news is she usually goes right back down although I hold her upright for about ten minutes after each feed. We only have one rocking chair and it's in the nursery with DS2, so we can't rock her but fortunately she hasn't needed it like ds1 did. marshian I would try for the crib/bassinet versus carrier since that's your long term goal, but I would go back to the carrier if it doesn't work bc 1 month old is still survival stage where you are trying to get enough sleep to get by.
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Post by cmb on Nov 4, 2019 13:22:30 GMT -6
Sleep is a crap shoot here. Her bedtime is 6:30/7p. Any wake ups after that are done in her room with minimal stimulation and eye contact, no light but her night light. We change if she pooped, feed, and then rock back to sleep. We repeat until 6/6:30a for all wake ups.
She naps in her swing during the day, anywhere from 20 minutes to 3 hours. Between reflux and milk allergy, we struggle with getting her to eat enough, which definitely affects how much she sleeps
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Post by randomosity on Nov 4, 2019 13:27:29 GMT -6
DD3 turned 1 month old Wednesday. She'll give us a decent stretch of sleep in the beginning of the night, lasting 4-6 hours. After that, she's up about every 1-3 hours, with the wake-ups being more frequent as it gets closer to the morning. She also grunts a lot and sleeps best when touching me.
Naps? I can get those from her if I bounce with her on the exercise ball (my back starts to hurt after a short while, though...) or if we are driving around. Sometimes if I let her fuss on the swing or in the bouncy seat, she'll take as short nap, assuming her siblings don't wake her up, which they often do 🤦🏼♀️ She will not nap in her bassinet at all but I hope to get her to before too long. I'm so exhausted with this nap battle every day.
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Post by marshian on Nov 4, 2019 14:10:43 GMT -6
randomosity Sorry for crap naps. S has stopped fighting them during the day but they have to be in a carrier. I was over wearing him today so tried to rock him instead and it was a struggle resulting in a crap nap. I just want 30 minutes during the day without him on me. Even awake he wants to be held.
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Post by doodlemommy on Nov 4, 2019 15:35:25 GMT -6
Knock on wood, DS is the best sleeping of my kids. We bedshare and he usually sleeps 10/10:30 (when I go to bed, before that he usually sleeps in someone’s arms or the bassinet/swing) until 2/2:30, eats, sleeps until 6/6:30. I guarantee he would not sleep as well on his own but we have bedshared with all our kids until between 4 and 6 months and then transitioned them to the playpen in our room and then to their own rooms fairly smoothly. It works for us but I know it’s not for everyone. He will nap alone as long as he is tightly swaddled. The best naps are in the swing, bassinet is hit or miss. He will nap well held or in the wrap as well. He will be 4 weeks on Thursday and is a very sleepy little guy. He kinda just goes with the flow which is great since he is #3 and we are busy lol. He literally napped in the bassinet next to the piano while I practiced with DD and DS yelled “me play panano”, if it weren’t for the fact that he passed his hearing screen I’d be concerned...
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Post by thinkchocolate05 on Nov 5, 2019 6:05:44 GMT -6
Knock on wood, DS is the best sleeping of my kids. We bedshare and he usually sleeps 10/10:30 (when I go to bed, before that he usually sleeps in someone’s arms or the bassinet/swing) until 2/2:30, eats, sleeps until 6/6:30. I guarantee he would not sleep as well on his own but we have bedshared with all our kids until between 4 and 6 months and then transitioned them to the playpen in our room and then to their own rooms fairly smoothly. It works for us but I know it’s not for everyone. He will nap alone as long as he is tightly swaddled. The best naps are in the swing, bassinet is hit or miss. He will nap well held or in the wrap as well. He will be 4 weeks on Thursday and is a very sleepy little guy. He kinda just goes with the flow which is great since he is #3 and we are busy lol. He literally napped in the bassinet next to the piano while I practiced with DD and DS yelled “me play panano”, if it weren’t for the fact that he passed his hearing screen I’d be concerned... doodlemommy Mine did this with naps as well. She'd be in the middle of the living room in her bassinet fast asleep and her brothers would be wreaking havoc around her. Unfortunately, she was better at this up to about 5 weeks but now wakes more easily if I have her out in the noisy area.
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Post by cmb on Nov 5, 2019 7:23:09 GMT -6
I got a 6 hour stretch last night! No idea what caused it, but I’m not complaining!
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Post by randomosity on Nov 5, 2019 8:32:19 GMT -6
randomosity Sorry for crap naps. S has stopped fighting them during the day but they have to be in a carrier. I was over wearing him today so tried to rock him instead and it was a struggle resulting in a crap nap. I just want 30 minutes during the day without him on me. Even awake he wants to be held. I'm glad you've found something that works! Although I can totally understand being over it. It's not always the most comfortable to babywear, at least not for longer periods of time. I have found that if I set her in one of our bouncy seats or the swing and let her fuss a little, she'll sometimes fall asleep but the length of the nap is a crapshoot. I need a swing in my bedroom so that she can be away from her noisy siblings! Although it's not usually a huge issue but this week, my older 2 are out of school.
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Post by marshian on Nov 6, 2019 11:46:40 GMT -6
I'm beyond ready for S to decide to give us at least one 2+ hour stretch of sleep. So tired. He had a 1-month appointment today, and the pedi mentioned trying to put him down drowsy. 😂 90% of the time as soon as he's a bit tired he's fighting it tooth and nail (and screaming about it).
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Post by thinkchocolate05 on Nov 7, 2019 6:40:52 GMT -6
I'm beyond ready for S to decide to give us at least one 2+ hour stretch of sleep. So tired. He had a 1-month appointment today, and the pedi mentioned trying to put him down drowsy. 😂 90% of the time as soon as he's a bit tired he's fighting it tooth and nail (and screaming about it). marshian My first was like this. We had to rock and rock and even with the swaddle he didn't sleep for long. Hopefully it's just a short phase for yours. No advice but lots of sympathy. It's tough.
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Post by marshian on Nov 8, 2019 13:38:13 GMT -6
We went back to the velcro swaddle last night and S slept for a 4 HOUR stretch! What?! Then another two hours after nursing at 5:30am. Of course I was up then with the toddler but still!
He only slept 20 minutes this afternoon once I put him down so that was a bummer but I'm hopeful we're on our way to better sleep.
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Post by thinkchocolate05 on Nov 8, 2019 13:50:56 GMT -6
marshian We swear by the Velcro swaddle. Glad it worked so nicely for you. Today at her two month appointment, the pediatrician said she thought she'd start rolling soon, and I was like, oh no, I'll have to stop swaddling her when she does. I'm not ready, lol.
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Post by randomosity on Nov 12, 2019 16:25:17 GMT -6
Omg. Today, she's given me all of 15 minutes of sleep. Y'all, I'm lost because not one of my other kids did this. It's crazy. I tried everything, even a car nap! Can 6 week olds have fomo? I'm so exhausted and just keep telling myself, it's just a phase. She'll be napping in no time. Makes me miss her being an inside baby haha
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Post by doodlemommy on Nov 12, 2019 17:38:39 GMT -6
randomosity my first was like that. Would regularly go for 8 hours with barely a cat nap. It’s so draining. People would be all “newborns sleep all the time” and I was like 😐 Have you met mine? I’m glad she was my first though so we just binge watched a lot of Netflix. All my sympathies
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Post by thinkchocolate05 on Nov 12, 2019 22:37:30 GMT -6
randomosity My first was like that too. Hated sleep. I'm sorry. It really sucks. Hopefully it's just a really short phase for yours though
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Post by randomosity on Nov 13, 2019 13:47:35 GMT -6
Thanks, ladies. I had no idea newborns did this! It probably wouldn't be so bad if she was an only child but ugh dude.
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Post by aeroplaneoverthesea on Nov 14, 2019 8:59:07 GMT -6
Thanks, ladies. I had no idea newborns did this! It probably wouldn't be so bad if she was an only child but ugh dude. I feel you. This baby is so fussy, her nighttime crying has resulted in everyone waking up the past two nights. Super fun having the 6 year old, 3 year old, and a newborn in various stages of shitshow meltdown from 2-4am. Not to mention the amazing behavior that results from everybody being sleep deprived. Oy.
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Post by thinkchocolate05 on Nov 14, 2019 22:53:58 GMT -6
Thanks, ladies. I had no idea newborns did this! It probably wouldn't be so bad if she was an only child but ugh dude. I feel you. This baby is so fussy, her nighttime crying has resulted in everyone waking up the past two nights. Super fun having the 6 year old, 3 year old, and a newborn in various stages of shitshow meltdown from 2-4am. Not to mention the amazing behavior that results from everybody being sleep deprived. Oy. aeroplaneoverthesea I sympathize! Ours is a 2 year old, 5 year old, and newborn and usually from 4-6 am. Once the two year old is up, it is virtually impossible to get him back down.
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Post by cmb on Nov 15, 2019 4:53:33 GMT -6
Thanks, ladies. I had no idea newborns did this! It probably wouldn't be so bad if she was an only child but ugh dude. I feel you. This baby is so fussy, her nighttime crying has resulted in everyone waking up the past two nights. Super fun having the 6 year old, 3 year old, and a newborn in various stages of shitshow meltdown from 2-4am. Not to mention the amazing behavior that results from everybody being sleep deprived. Oy. Do you have sound machines going? DS1 room are right next to each other with his bed on the shared wall. He sleeps right through DD crying because of sound machines in both rooms blocking it out. We did the same when he shared a wall with DS2 in our old apartment.
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Post by aeroplaneoverthesea on Nov 15, 2019 7:14:33 GMT -6
I feel you. This baby is so fussy, her nighttime crying has resulted in everyone waking up the past two nights. Super fun having the 6 year old, 3 year old, and a newborn in various stages of shitshow meltdown from 2-4am. Not to mention the amazing behavior that results from everybody being sleep deprived. Oy. Do you have sound machines going? DS1 room are right next to each other with his bed on the shared wall. He sleeps right through DD crying because of sound machines in both rooms blocking it out. We did the same when he shared a wall with DS2 in our old apartment. Yes. White noise machines, weighted blankets, (DS gets a cbd gummy and melatonin at bedtime for his anxiety). Whew it’s tough. We just got a cosleeper for in our bed and last night was better. DS was still up a lot, but DD2 had almost a 4 hour stretch, hopefully we’re making progress!
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Post by thinkchocolate05 on Nov 16, 2019 5:36:46 GMT -6
Oh man, went to sleep accidentally at 9:30 putting ds1 to bed.
Then ds2 woke up at one and it took me an hour to get him down. Then baby J woke and I nursed her. Then ds1 woke up with his nose hurting but was making a big loud fuss about it so he woke DS2 up. Dh took DS2 but couldn't get him back down so I was with him from 4-6. I literally sang wiggles "big red car" to him for an hour and he would ask for it each time I stopped. Then baby J hadn't made any noises for a long time so I was checking on her and accidentally touched her nose and startled her. I got to sleep in my bed for 20 glorious minutes but then she fully woke up and I'm nursing her.
I can just barely see her face in the dim light and she is smiling at me. It's worth it!
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Post by peggyhill on Nov 19, 2019 0:22:26 GMT -6
Is it normal for babies to start fighting sleep at a specific time? DS has been an excellent car sleeper so far, and has really responded to the swaddle since birth. Now he gets distressed in the car, especially at stop lights, and he will struggle with the saddle and try and hulk out of it while fighting sleep. Is this just an age he has reached that babies fight stuff? He’s 9 weeks old 😕
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Post by cmb on Nov 19, 2019 4:51:31 GMT -6
Is it normal for babies to start fighting sleep at a specific time? DS has been an excellent car sleeper so far, and has really responded to the swaddle since birth. Now he gets distressed in the car, especially at stop lights, and he will struggle with the saddle and try and hulk out of it while fighting sleep. Is this just an age he has reached that babies fight stuff? He’s 9 weeks old 😕 Yup, normal. My kids hated being in the car seat starting around 5 weeks. DD complains every day when we take her brothers to daycare As for the swaddle, you can try arms out, but he is likely not ready— babies who fight the swaddle are the ones who need it the most. They also start to make associations around this age and recognize patterns so he may have realized swaddle = sleep and car seat = sleep.
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Post by peggyhill on Nov 19, 2019 5:32:11 GMT -6
Is it normal for babies to start fighting sleep at a specific time? DS has been an excellent car sleeper so far, and has really responded to the swaddle since birth. Now he gets distressed in the car, especially at stop lights, and he will struggle with the saddle and try and hulk out of it while fighting sleep. Is this just an age he has reached that babies fight stuff? He’s 9 weeks old 😕 Yup, normal. My kids hated being in the car seat starting around 5 weeks. DD complains every day when we take her brothers to daycare As for the swaddle, you can try arms out, but he is likely not ready— babies who fight the swaddle are the ones who need it the most. They also start to make associations around this age and recognize patterns so he may have realized swaddle = sleep and car seat = sleep. Oof, that makes sense. Do they fight sleep for good once they hit this stage? Or do you have to sleep train to get them to stop?
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Post by cmb on Nov 19, 2019 7:24:05 GMT -6
Yup, normal. My kids hated being in the car seat starting around 5 weeks. DD complains every day when we take her brothers to daycare As for the swaddle, you can try arms out, but he is likely not ready— babies who fight the swaddle are the ones who need it the most. They also start to make associations around this age and recognize patterns so he may have realized swaddle = sleep and car seat = sleep. Oof, that makes sense. Do they fight sleep for good once they hit this stage? Or do you have to sleep train to get them to stop? Depends on the kid, but both my kids fought it for months because of major MOFO. I only do MOTN sleep training and let them dictate when they are ready to stop different phases of the bedtime routine (like, we sleep train at 6m, but I will rock them to sleep for bedtime until they are ready to give it up, which was past 1 year for both boys). The boys gave up their full on swaddles around 4 months but needed arms out for months after, DS1 gave up his pacifier at 9m and DS2 his bottles at 9/10m. They still stall at bedtime, though
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Post by peggyhill on Nov 19, 2019 22:20:31 GMT -6
Whelp, DS got his first set of vaccines today. Tonight could be a long sleep, or a total shit show. Guess we’ll find out soon enough…
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Post by randomosity on Nov 20, 2019 11:33:08 GMT -6
Whelp, DS got his first set of vaccines today. Tonight could be a long sleep, or a total shit show. Guess we’ll find out soon enough… My kids are always super sleepy after vaccines, especially as babies. I hope that's the case for you!
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Post by peggyhill on Nov 20, 2019 18:00:08 GMT -6
Whelp, DS got his first set of vaccines today. Tonight could be a long sleep, or a total shit show. Guess we’ll find out soon enough… My kids are always super sleepy after vaccines, especially as babies. I hope that's the case for you! He was super fussy last night and didn’t sleep well, but today he’s doing super well. We got a little of both I guess lol!
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