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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 6:30:21 GMT -6
Is your baby in it? Have you successfully come out the other side? Tell me your stories. I think DS is now in it. He was consistently sleeping from 8ish until 4-5 am, but for the past week his wake ups have been getting earlier and earlier. Last night it was 1:22 am. How long does this usually last?!
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Post by Eames on Aug 6, 2019 7:07:23 GMT -6
Is your baby in it? Have you successfully come out the other side? Tell me your stories. I think DS is now in it. He was consistently sleeping from 8ish until 4-5 am, but for the past week his wake ups have been getting earlier and earlier. Last night it was 1:22 am. How long does this usually last?! We are in the midst for the twins, I think. For DD, it only lasted 2-3 weeks. We ended up letting her fuss a bit in her crib one night because we were too tired to move, and that was the end soon after. I think she learned to self soothe a bit. I'm hoping we're nearing the other side. It's been about a month now. Wakeups are so inconsistent- it used to be at least 3 hours in between, but they cry randomly throughout the entire night. We try not to feed unless it's been at least 3 hours. They are probably well over 16 pounds by now and don't need it that often. But, last night they made it 7:30 pm until 3 am! I went to bed at 10 so that's like 5 hours for me. 🙌 🙌 🙌 Then I got from 3:40 until 7 am. So I feel like a brand new person.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 7:58:38 GMT -6
Eames, here's hoping your boys are coming out of it soon!!
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Post by jewelsofthenile on Aug 6, 2019 9:54:56 GMT -6
so maybe this is Ns problem I have no idea. She will fall asleep without much fuss for naps even on her play mat. She usually sucks on her thumb or a pacifer so she is self soothing. Night time sleep has really sucked the past 4 nights. She is up almost every hour. Last night at 3ish I put her in her actual crib versus the pnp bassinet in our room she slept until I woke her at 6 to feed her before I left for work...so my hope for tonight is that if she is in her crib sleep might be more normal🤞. I think she may just be getting uncomfortable in the bassinet now that she can roll and is toward the upper weight limit of pnp bassinet so those bars that hold the mattress up may just not be comfortable now. Then I feed her too often and she is uncomfortably full as well.
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Post by bex15 on Aug 6, 2019 11:30:17 GMT -6
I don't want to jinx myself but I think we might be out of it, ever since I moved M to his pack and play on Saturday night he's only had one wake up each night around 4am. For the past month the regression has been bad, waking 3-4 times per night starting as early as 10 or 11pm after going down at 830. But the past few nights have been magical and I'm crossing everything that it continues. I'm wondering if he's more comfortable in the pnp vs bassinet where I do think he was running out of room also.
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Post by lemondrop on Aug 6, 2019 12:47:42 GMT -6
I was going to post about sleep. Does anyone have a baby who even before 4 mos wasn’t some rockstar amazing all night sleeper?
Max will be 4 mos on the 13th but I swear to God hasn’t slept for more than 4-5 hours in a row in his entire life. And even then, it’s more like 2-3 hours. He’s a giant (26-27inches long, 17+lbs) but he will not. Fucking. Sleep. And the times he DOES sleep, it’s because he’s on me. When he wakes up, he chugs 5oz so he’s definitely hungry. I’m at the end of my rope.
My pedi isn’t on board with CIO before 5 months and frankly I don’t know if I can do it. My H has PPPD/A and Max scream crying is a huge trigger for him. And the dogs start to panic if he cries too long (seriously they’re both losing their hair).
He’s on Zantac for possible silent reflux but I don’t see a change. We started some solids thinking it would fill him up more but no change at night. (Has slowed down some of the formula consumption tho - he was eating almost 40oz a day 😳)
He won’t take a bottle from my H at night (we have tried everything) and he just screams until I take over. So we can’t even take turns. Seriously one night he screamed for 3+ hours like he was being tortured.
I start work again on the 19th and am already freaking out about having to function while being so sleep deprived.
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Post by bex15 on Aug 6, 2019 14:03:21 GMT -6
I don’t have any advice lemondrop but I’m sorry that sounds really hard and I definitely understand the worry about being sleep deprived at work. It was definitely a hard adjustment for me coming back and trying to function like I used to just doesn’t always happen.
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Post by Eames on Aug 6, 2019 15:48:39 GMT -6
I'm sorry lemondrop. Your little guy is big!!! No sleep is so so hard. I have to say, I never thought I could sleep train but going in with a plan helped with my feels about it. With the graduated extinction, we'd set a timer and it helped me not get so anxious. I'd look at the clock thinking it had been so long, and sometimes it had only been like 2 minutes. I'm not trying to sway you one way or another because we are still not STTN so I am no expert, lol. BUT it did help them to learn to go to sleep on their own. Now wake ups are a quick feed and back down. And bedtime is easier than with my nearly 5 y.o. I think we will revisit at 6 months and hopefully night wean/train through the night. They'll be starting daycare at the same time, too. It might help because those ladies are magical unicorns at getting kids on a schedule.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2019 16:40:18 GMT -6
I’m so sorry you’re having such a rough time with sleep lemondropWe stopped the Zantac, I didn’t think it made a big difference either. Which formula are you using again? DS has responded very well to both Similac Alimentum (expensive AF) and Similac Soy Isomil (not as expensive.) I hope you’re able to get some more sleep soon! We did CIO with DD after we took her paci at age 2 and I had to leave the house. Maybe that’s an option for your H if you decide to try it?
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Post by nmom on Aug 6, 2019 17:36:32 GMT -6
We’re here. Right before I go back to work. Husband had real tears in his eyes last night and he doesn’t even get up with him. This is when my four year old stopped sleeping thru the night and still doesn’t. I’m sad lol.
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Post by orangehibiscus on Aug 6, 2019 19:19:32 GMT -6
Sorry for all the sleeping troubles lemondrop! I have everything crossed, but I think we’re getting on the other side of the sleep regression. This is week 3. She used to get up just once a night, but it’s like 3 times a night recently (which I know is still not awful). I think DD is going through another growth spurt. She eating a ton, sleeping a lot during the day, and she is grumpy when awake.
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Post by jewelsofthenile on Aug 7, 2019 5:42:58 GMT -6
lemondrop that sounds really hard. My first was never a good sleeper...I didnt notice a 4 month sleep regression because she was always getting up every 2 to 3 hours. Maybe 4 hours at most. You little guy seems a bit more extreme. I could never get her to sleep in her crib unless I feed her to sleep, then rocked her for a while and she was dead asleep when I laid her down. The pedi was like put her down drowsy...she just never settled when I did that. I tried CIO 2 separate times with her and she beat me. I just feed her to sleep until she was over 1 then. We did a lot of rocking. She still has tons of energy and doesnt go to sleep easy at 5. But when she does settle down she sleeps all night and she will even sleep in. Her sleep improved after 1 but at 18 months was when she didnt wake at night anymore. All I can say is when you have a challenging sleeper do what you have to get by and it will get better at some point.
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Post by jewelsofthenile on Aug 7, 2019 6:00:20 GMT -6
N sleep like crap from 10 to 1 last night but at 1 I fed her and she then slept until 5. I really enjoyed that. Hopefully this regression passes soon. And it not the new normal.
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Post by lemondrop on Aug 7, 2019 6:49:27 GMT -6
I’m so sorry you’re having such a rough time with sleep lemondropWe stopped the Zantac, I didn’t think it made a big difference either. Which formula are you using again? DS has responded very well to both Similac Alimentum (expensive AF) and Similac Soy Isomil (not as expensive.) I hope you’re able to get some more sleep soon! We did CIO with DD after we took her paci at age 2 and I had to leave the house. Maybe that’s an option for your H if you decide to try it? We’re using Nutrimagen. He could leave the house but it leaves 100% of the childcare on me and frankly, I need a break too 😭
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Post by lemondrop on Aug 7, 2019 6:50:29 GMT -6
I'm sorry lemondrop. Your little guy is big!!! No sleep is so so hard. I have to say, I never thought I could sleep train but going in with a plan helped with my feels about it. With the graduated extinction, we'd set a timer and it helped me not get so anxious. I'd look at the clock thinking it had been so long, and sometimes it had only been like 2 minutes. I'm not trying to sway you one way or another because we are still not STTN so I am no expert, lol. BUT it did help them to learn to go to sleep on their own. Now wake ups are a quick feed and back down. And bedtime is easier than with my nearly 5 y.o. I think we will revisit at 6 months and hopefully night wean/train through the night. They'll be starting daycare at the same time, too. It might help because those ladies are magical unicorns at getting kids on a schedule. I’m reading more about graduated extinction. That might be a better possibility. Thanks!
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Post by lemondrop on Aug 7, 2019 6:55:34 GMT -6
Thanks y’all. Talking it out helps. Part of his issue is that he just flails constantly when he’s sleeping. I can’t swaddle him anymore because he’s rolling, but even before that, he would either flail himself free from muslin blankets, or flail himself out of Velcro ones. I can get him to sleep in my arms because I’m basically holding his limbs down, but the moment I put him down, he’s wide awake and flinging his legs up.
I’m going to bring it up to my pedi next week when I see him. Last night we were up 4x just holding his legs down and keeping a hand on his chest to settle him. Not including the 2x that he ate 😭
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:12:10 GMT -6
I think dropping the swaddle is definitely contributing to DS's problems. He went to sleep fine at 7:45 last night but by 9:00 he was awake throwing his arms and legs around everywhere. He's in the Merlin sleepsuit, which worked wonders for DD, but DS is much stronger than she was and can move himself around while in it. I feel like moving to a regular sleep sack wouldn't solve this problem. Too bad we can't swaddle him forever, ha.
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Post by bex15 on Aug 7, 2019 9:52:52 GMT -6
I guess I spoke too soon, M did not sleep good at all last night 😢
What time are y’all doing bedtime?
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Post by Eames on Aug 7, 2019 10:53:56 GMT -6
For us, the twins go upstairs at 7.
We shifted to nested bean sleep sacks for them when we took swaddles away. It has a small weight on their chest to mimic the feel of a hand. Now that they've been in sacks awhile, we can do regular ones so we have a chance to wash them. They do ok in either now. I don't think they were magical or anything, but maybe something to consider? They are nice quality either way.
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Post by nmom on Aug 7, 2019 21:59:48 GMT -6
I saw those Eames! I considered one. Maybe I will🤔 He’s been sleeping okay. It’s the transferring that’s hell. Which throws off the sleep obviously. Re: bedtime we have always been late on bedtime I think I’m my last BMB I was one of the later ones too. But now that we have DD and her bedtime has become routine due to school DS has kind of matched her he tends to go down around 8 usually as a nap tho lol then wakes up for some only child life then goes back down. I love it like this. I enjoy them staying up a little late as babies especially when I go back to work.
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Post by jewelsofthenile on Aug 8, 2019 5:51:07 GMT -6
N goes to sleep between 8 and 8:30 usually it depends on her napping schedule during the day and how tired she is acting. Sometimes 7:30 if she is really tired. The older kids it usually 9pm or after until we are out of their room. They wanna party until it's dark outside so getting them to sleep before 9 in the summer doesn't happen.
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Post by Yogurt on Aug 10, 2019 23:58:08 GMT -6
I am so sorry to every one having bad sleep. That can really set the tone and make you nuts. I really feel for everyone.
Leroy is almost 6 months and is actually sleeping well. I dont want to say that outloud for fear of jinxing it.
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Post by snickerdoodle on Aug 13, 2019 13:07:29 GMT -6
Sorry sleep is so rough lemondropMy first was like that, never slept well. We had many long periods where she would wake up every hour or two and/or need to be held for hours straight at night. I also had trouble with the idea of sleep training and we didn’t do anything until much later and still didn’t do extinction or Ferber. But I do think the gentle sleep training and getting her to fall asleep on her own was necessary for her to sleep better at night. This was over a year long process for us to figure out. I think there are some babies who just don’t sleep well and need more support. I would recommend finding a gentle form of keep training if you don’t want to do more of the traditional sleep training.
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Post by snickerdoodle on Aug 13, 2019 13:10:40 GMT -6
Have most of your babies experienced 4 month regression before or after they turned 4 mo?
C had a week about a week before he turned four months where he slept worse than usual, but still better than DD did at this age and then got back to sleeping well. I don’t know if this was his regression. DD slept so bad and 4 month regression was horrible so I’m on egg shells waiting for Cs.
I am someone who really needs good sleep. I get super irritable and can’t focus without it so DDs first year was rough and I’m hoping it isn’t like that with this one.
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Post by lemondrop on Aug 13, 2019 21:33:23 GMT -6
Sorry sleep is so rough lemondropMy first was like that, never slept well. We had many long periods where she would wake up every hour or two and/or need to be held for hours straight at night. I also had trouble with the idea of sleep training and we didn’t do anything until much later and still didn’t do extinction or Ferber. But I do think the gentle sleep training and getting her to fall asleep on her own was necessary for her to sleep better at night. This was over a year long process for us to figure out. I think there are some babies who just don’t sleep well and need more support. I would recommend finding a gentle form of keep training if you don’t want to do more of the traditional sleep training. That’s basically his MO. We’ve tried the nested bean sack, the zipadee sack, the Merlin... but all he wants is to be held. We did some light extinction last night and it went... not well. He just got himself so worked up that there was no going back. We see the pedi on Friday so hopefully he can give us some guidance. Thankfully H only had a single house to inspect today so he was home by 1 and I got in an hour nap but man, I’m so tired and I know I’ve been a giant bitch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 5:47:20 GMT -6
snickerdoodle, DS only turned 4 months on Monday, but his regression started a few weeks ago. I hope that was it for C! DD skipped the 4-month sleep regression completely. It was amazing and I felt on top of the world...until right before she turned 6 months and started waking up every hour. I guess she had a 6-month sleep regression!
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Post by jacks on Aug 14, 2019 9:53:36 GMT -6
I’ve been mostly ignoring this thread, because if I don’t open it, then we won’t have one. (It’s science.)
N has had one or two off nights and then a couple good nights. Last night she woke up at 4 and I just had to stand and hold her paci in while she stroked my hand for about 30 minutes. Once she seemed calmer, I left and she ended up going back to sleep after 15 minutes or so. The night before was awful, but I think she had a fever from her shots. In my stupor, it never occurred to me to give her Tylenol so I just held for her 3 hours while she cried.
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Post by Eames on Aug 14, 2019 11:45:43 GMT -6
I think we're out of the regression (fingers crossed), but mine are still waking up every three (maybe 4 hours at most) for milk. Bedtime seems to be sorted in that they get milk, bath some days, jammies, books, a song, and bed, and then they fall asleep independently. And they go back to sleep after being fed.
I am just so tired. Up at 11:30 pm, again from 2:30 to 3:30 (I pump then too), then at 4 am because there was a weird emergency broadcast alert on my H's tablet, after which I was worried about impending nuclear doom because it did NOT say, "this is just a test..." and I couldn't find info online, then up for the day at 6:30.
Oh, and I was still later than I wanted to get in to work. What am I going to so when I have to get up at 5:30 to leave by 6:15 in a few weeks??? I think we are going to have to night wean so that we get at least one longer stretch. We are going to ask the pedi about it at their 6 month checkup. The process to night wean seems... tricky.
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Post by lemondrop on Aug 19, 2019 7:45:24 GMT -6
How are y’all sleep training MOTN if you’re room sharing?
Max is decent going down at night, but the MOTN wake ups are destroying me. He went down easily last night at 7:30, woke up at 11:30, and then was up 4 more times between then and 6am. I fed him at 11:30 and 5 (he takes ~4oz and will spit up anything more).
Do you just put him in his room? Let him CIO in your room and you go elsewhere? What if you have pets? Because my dogs are so stressed they’re literally losing their hair 😭😭😭 I’m fine with feeding him but omfg I need more than a 2 hour stretch.
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Post by jacks on Aug 20, 2019 9:18:30 GMT -6
lemondrop We haven’t started sleep training yet, but N is in her own room. I do let her fuss a bit to see if she can settle herself down, but I’ll go up and soothe her if she starts crying. My oldest didn’t do well with the check-ins, but N settles and I can go back out and she’ll usually go back to sleep after the first one. I’m not sure it matters what room you do it in as long as she can’t see you.
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