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Post by thatgolfb on Mar 13, 2019 21:00:08 GMT -6
I was inspired to look up UCLA's current tuition and it's $13,000 per academic year now, plus another $15,000 for room and board if you live in the dorms. That's only about twice what it was when I was there 20 years ago. Same with UCSD, but that is double (at least for tuition alone) what it was 10 years ago which is kind of crazy. And out of state costs are double that.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 14, 2019 15:57:22 GMT -6
We just had a giant expose here on campus about cheating...I work where we proctor exams, so this is timely in the content. Cheaters be cheating. anecdote: I got 35/36 ACT score and a 940 on the SAT...womp, womp. My brother took his SAT stoned and got a 1598/1600 (he still remembers which math question he got wrong, smart ass). I didn’t know it was possible to get a score that didn’t end in zero. So much learning today. but Zack Morris got a 1502 tho
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Post by dc2london on Mar 14, 2019 17:35:03 GMT -6
I thought HE meant Springside too. More fun facts: I interviewed for a job there. It had a fucking robotics lab for middle schoolers and a state of the art...everything. I got home from the interview and told my H that it was truly too much and that it's not fair that some kids get started out on this leg. It was a fundraising job - probably a super easy one because rich alumni keep giving super big gifts so their kids can go there. Full circle! I also thought HE mistook it for the name of Sophia's retirement community in the Golden Girls, but that was Shady Pines. I applied at Sidwell Friends at the encouragement of a mentor. I never dreamed I would get am interview. In the end, I was too intimidated to even interview.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 17:40:45 GMT -6
I thought HE meant Springside too. More fun facts: I interviewed for a job there. It had a fucking robotics lab for middle schoolers and a state of the art...everything. I got home from the interview and told my H that it was truly too much and that it's not fair that some kids get started out on this leg. It was a fundraising job - probably a super easy one because rich alumni keep giving super big gifts so their kids can go there. Full circle! I also thought HE mistook it for the name of Sophia's retirement community in the Golden Girls, but that was Shady Pines. I applied at Sidwell Friends at the encouragement of a mentor. I never dreamed I would get am interview. In the end, I was too intimidated to even interview. At my boarding school interview they asked me to describe what I didn’t like about my middle school and I said “the color” and I still got in. You would have been fine.
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Post by dc2london on Mar 14, 2019 17:45:45 GMT -6
What did you study? I got my BFA in crafts, so yeah I went back to school for nursing 😂 Undergrad was fine art; sculpture. Went to another university in PA amish country to add an art teaching credential and added the equivalent of a minor in weaving (how practical!). ETA, later went back again to get a masters in teaching and a special education credential, which is what I actually use. my H has an MFA in sculpture. He is now a systems analyst at a govt consulting firm lol
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Post by dc2london on Mar 14, 2019 17:50:41 GMT -6
I applied at Sidwell Friends at the encouragement of a mentor. I never dreamed I would get am interview. In the end, I was too intimidated to even interview. At my boarding school interview they asked me to describe what I didn’t like about my middle school and I said “the color” and I still got in. You would have been fine. lol! That's funny. I was applying tl teach there, not attend, but maybe I should have been less intimidated
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Post by SayitaintSnow on Mar 14, 2019 22:50:40 GMT -6
Yes. I went to a CC, lived at home, $1,500/semester plus books. Then after my first year I got the GPA based tuition wavier so it was more like $300/semester plus books. I graduated with a useful degree and had a job in my degree field that fall. People look at me like I'm the goose that laid the golden egg when I say I never had student loans.... and boy am I fucking glad I went the route I did and don't. I work at a community college and the support networks are huge! As much as I want my kids to have the uni experience and connections, two free years at CC while living at home, working and banking $$ will set them up better in life than any of us taking out loans. I got screwed in the financial planning, student loan department and I just don’t want them to have to have the same thing looming as I did. Agree. I also work at a CC right now, and the quality of the teaching faculty is excellent. Part of the reason is that there are a surplus of PhDs and a dearth of positions at 4 year schools, so community college positions are increasingly competitive. The other part is that (esp compared to research universities) full-time CC faculty tend to be teaching oriented positions, which means they have the time and energy and institutional support to become really good teachers. It's a good deal.
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Post by wildflower on Mar 15, 2019 5:16:56 GMT -6
I work at a community college and the support networks are huge! As much as I want my kids to have the uni experience and connections, two free years at CC while living at home, working and banking $$ will set them up better in life than any of us taking out loans. I got screwed in the financial planning, student loan department and I just don’t want them to have to have the same thing looming as I did. Agree. I also work at a CC right now, and the quality of the teaching faculty is excellent. Part of the reason is that there are a surplus of PhDs and a dearth of positions at 4 year schools, so community college positions are increasingly competitive. The other part is that (esp compared to research universities) full-time CC faculty tend to be teaching oriented positions, which means they have the time and energy and institutional support to become really good teachers. It's a good deal. Lol, yes! There were two types of teachers at my CC... Those who loved teaching and their students too much to work at a huge University, and those who were too lazy or incompetent to get a job at the big University. You could usually tell within the first ten minutes of the first class which they were.
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Post by ouijabored on Mar 18, 2019 6:16:23 GMT -6
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Post by justbecause on Mar 18, 2019 6:47:39 GMT -6
I was thinking about this earlier and I think it’s a bit much of Hallmark to stop running LL’s movies. Its not like she’s a murderer. I can see firing her though.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 18, 2019 8:02:43 GMT -6
Maybe should have started this in his own house.
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Post by donnameagle on Mar 18, 2019 8:41:13 GMT -6
I never finished college, only did three years then popped out a kid. I make more money than most of my friends with non-specialized degrees (so like, not counting my lawyer/pharmacist/doctor friends).
Granted I have been in the same field since I was 20 and got lucky in that I love my job. But still. My kids will be encouraged and borderline forced to seek out some kind of education. But I don't like the idea that a 4 year university is the only way.
We are still paying off H's loans (although he IS specialized and has a fantastic job because of his degree) - but the $70K remaining balance makes me want to throw up a little. I wish he had done the first two years at a CC.
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Post by ripper on Mar 18, 2019 8:51:24 GMT -6
I heard that there is now some class action law suit for $500 Billion, I believe directed at some of the schools involved.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 18, 2019 8:52:40 GMT -6
I never finished college, only did three years then popped out a kid. I make more money than most of my friends with non-specialized degrees (so like, not counting my lawyer/pharmacist/doctor friends). Granted I have been in the same field since I was 20 and got lucky in that I love my job. But still. My kids will be encouraged and borderline forced to seek out some kind of education. But I don't like the idea that a 4 year university is the only way. We are still paying off H's loans (although he IS specialized and has a fantastic job because of his degree) - but the $70K remaining balance makes me want to throw up a little. I wish he had done the first two years at a CC. Granted this is much better now, but CC credits didn't always come over cleanly and a lot of people had to retake classes and ended up paying for them twice. Also most of our CC had quarters and not semesters, so you had to take two classes to count toward a whole semester at a college/university.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Mar 18, 2019 8:54:40 GMT -6
I never finished college, only did three years then popped out a kid. I make more money than most of my friends with non-specialized degrees (so like, not counting my lawyer/pharmacist/doctor friends). Granted I have been in the same field since I was 20 and got lucky in that I love my job. But still. My kids will be encouraged and borderline forced to seek out some kind of education. But I don't like the idea that a 4 year university is the only way. We are still paying off H's loans (although he IS specialized and has a fantastic job because of his degree) - but the $70K remaining balance makes me want to throw up a little. I wish he had done the first two years at a CC. we told SD that she doesn't need to go to college to do what she wants to do (own her own business) and she stopped in her tracks and said "what? No one has ever told me that before." so... we spent a lot of time going through that with her. she definitely is the kind of kid who would want the college experience, which is ok too. but now that she is in high school, we are still apparently the only people who have told her that, and she says none of her friends parents have said that to their kids. PART OF THE PROBLEM.
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Post by GhoatMonket on Mar 18, 2019 9:03:34 GMT -6
I never finished college, only did three years then popped out a kid. I make more money than most of my friends with non-specialized degrees (so like, not counting my lawyer/pharmacist/doctor friends). Granted I have been in the same field since I was 20 and got lucky in that I love my job. But still. My kids will be encouraged and borderline forced to seek out some kind of education. But I don't like the idea that a 4 year university is the only way. We are still paying off H's loans (although he IS specialized and has a fantastic job because of his degree) - but the $70K remaining balance makes me want to throw up a little. I wish he had done the first two years at a CC. we told SD that she doesn't need to go to college to do what she wants to do (own her own business) and she stopped in her tracks and said "what? No one has ever told me that before." so... we spent a lot of time going through that with her. she definitely is the kind of kid who would want the college experience, which is ok too. but now that she is in high school, we are still apparently the only people who have told her that, and she says none of her friends parents have said that to their kids. PART OF THE PROBLEM. I will disagree with this. At least some business management at a CC.
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Post by donnameagle on Mar 18, 2019 9:08:09 GMT -6
I never finished college, only did three years then popped out a kid. I make more money than most of my friends with non-specialized degrees (so like, not counting my lawyer/pharmacist/doctor friends). Granted I have been in the same field since I was 20 and got lucky in that I love my job. But still. My kids will be encouraged and borderline forced to seek out some kind of education. But I don't like the idea that a 4 year university is the only way. We are still paying off H's loans (although he IS specialized and has a fantastic job because of his degree) - but the $70K remaining balance makes me want to throw up a little. I wish he had done the first two years at a CC. Granted this is much better now, but CC credits didn't always come over cleanly and a lot of people had to retake classes and ended up paying for them twice. Also most of our CC had quarters and not semesters, so you had to take two classes to count toward a whole semester at a college/university. Oh, I do not disagree. My other disclaimer is that this shit is stupid and a person shouldn't be left to navigate it at the ripe age of 18-20ish with all of these disparities!
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Post by gimmeaQ on Mar 18, 2019 9:08:34 GMT -6
we told SD that she doesn't need to go to college to do what she wants to do (own her own business) and she stopped in her tracks and said "what? No one has ever told me that before." so... we spent a lot of time going through that with her. she definitely is the kind of kid who would want the college experience, which is ok too. but now that she is in high school, we are still apparently the only people who have told her that, and she says none of her friends parents have said that to their kids. PART OF THE PROBLEM. I will disagree with this. At least some business management at a CC. i should have specified that we meant 4-year degree. like, going away to college vs. going to a CC or taking some classes at least on the financial aspect. the business she wants to get into has a history of mentorship and networking, etc. And an opportunity to work somewhere while saving up $$ to actually open her own place. anyway, i don't disagree that it's a good idea to have some education on the business side, if that is still what she wants to do 5-10 years from now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 9:12:48 GMT -6
gimmeaQ ,it's a tough call bc the degree might not be needed now, but could be 10-15 years down the road. IMO, I don't think a degree will be less valuable in the future, but less focus will be put on the actual school where one earned the degree.
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Post by ripper on Mar 18, 2019 9:13:13 GMT -6
This may make me stupid and or terrible...
But I really want my son to go to university even if it's not for the full purpose of getting an education. Like, I think moving away and living in the dorms or with friends while studying and working PT and partying and shenanigans is important (to me). Then, if he wants to pick up a trade or go to culinary school or travel and work abroad, he can do that after. I just really want this for him.
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Post by donnameagle on Mar 18, 2019 9:13:39 GMT -6
I will disagree with this. At least some business management at a CC. i should have specified that we meant 4-year degree. like, going away to college vs. going to a CC or taking some classes at least on the financial aspect. the business she wants to get into has a history of mentorship and networking, etc. And an opportunity to work somewhere while saving up $$ to actually open her own place. anyway, i don't disagree that it's a good idea to have some education on the business side, if that is still what she wants to do 5-10 years from now. I will always believe in continuing education. Hell, I go to two week long seminars/training for my field every year and I am 32. They cost about $10k roughly (my company pays though). But it just doesn't HAVE to come in the form of a four year state college degree. Would I be thrilled if my kid/s went to Yale? Yes. But their future happiness and success does not rest on that alone.
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Post by gimmeaQ on Mar 18, 2019 10:01:24 GMT -6
ok, so to be more specific - SD's interest is in the arts. for her specific career goals - which might change! -- for her, a four-year degree is flat out not necessary. if she wants to pursue a bachelor's degree, great! but my point was that not every kid can/should/needs to get a four-year college degree to pursue his or her career and that fact is not being communicated to her or her peers.
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Post by gingy on Mar 18, 2019 10:10:42 GMT -6
I never finished college, only did three years then popped out a kid. I make more money than most of my friends with non-specialized degrees (so like, not counting my lawyer/pharmacist/doctor friends). Granted I have been in the same field since I was 20 and got lucky in that I love my job. But still. My kids will be encouraged and borderline forced to seek out some kind of education. But I don't like the idea that a 4 year university is the only way. We are still paying off H's loans (although he IS specialized and has a fantastic job because of his degree) - but the $70K remaining balance makes me want to throw up a little. I wish he had done the first two years at a CC. Granted this is much better now, but CC credits didn't always come over cleanly and a lot of people had to retake classes and ended up paying for them twice. Also most of our CC had quarters and not semesters, so you had to take two classes to count toward a whole semester at a college/university. This is much better now, especially if you know which 4-year you want to attend. I'm a transfer specialist at a state school, and our transfers from CCs typically have a really smooth transition and are set up well to focus on their major.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 18, 2019 10:13:11 GMT -6
I guess I’m cold hearted but I don’t feel that sorry for any of these kids and I think they should be removed from school regardless if they knew what their parents did. They gained entrance (at the expense of others) through their parents cheating. It’s black and white to me. I partially agree with you, but I have mixed feelings. If they truly didn't know (which I am skeptical of in most cases, but regardless), then they probably lost their chance for a 2019 college entrance due to the fact that most applications had to be in in the fall, and they are probably not accepting any more right now. They didn't have a chance to really do it properly, since they didn't know in time to correct it, if they want to. I do agree that they shouldn't get in to those schools on their parents' cheating, and I don't know that they should be given a chance to submit applications late due to these (still privileged) circumstances. IDK my feelings on this one. I don't care. Oh well. too late to apply now? Shoot, a consequence.
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Post by lemondrop on Mar 18, 2019 12:48:36 GMT -6
I partially agree with you, but I have mixed feelings. If they truly didn't know (which I am skeptical of in most cases, but regardless), then they probably lost their chance for a 2019 college entrance due to the fact that most applications had to be in in the fall, and they are probably not accepting any more right now. They didn't have a chance to really do it properly, since they didn't know in time to correct it, if they want to. I do agree that they shouldn't get in to those schools on their parents' cheating, and I don't know that they should be given a chance to submit applications late due to these (still privileged) circumstances. IDK my feelings on this one. I don't care. Oh well. too late to apply now? Shoot, a consequence. These are kids who have enough money to spend the year traipsing around Europe - they're not going to be working second shift at the 7-11 and driving Gram's 1994 Oldsmobile around town with their heads down. Beyond that, it sounded like quite a few of the "kids" are adults who have already graduated - this scam started in 2011. That's at least 4 years worth of kids who theoretically should be done with undergrad by now. On top of THAT - I'm not convinced most of them didn't know what their parents were doing, even if they just thought mom and dad knew the Dean and pulled in some favors - they still knew they didn't get in on their own merit and an initial 920 SAT score. Lori Loughlin's daughters were literally cc'd on emails to the guy.
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Post by thatgolfb on Mar 18, 2019 12:54:33 GMT -6
I partially agree with you, but I have mixed feelings. If they truly didn't know (which I am skeptical of in most cases, but regardless), then they probably lost their chance for a 2019 college entrance due to the fact that most applications had to be in in the fall, and they are probably not accepting any more right now. They didn't have a chance to really do it properly, since they didn't know in time to correct it, if they want to. I do agree that they shouldn't get in to those schools on their parents' cheating, and I don't know that they should be given a chance to submit applications late due to these (still privileged) circumstances. IDK my feelings on this one. I don't care. Oh well. too late to apply now? Shoot, a consequence. I mean I get it. But I’m talking about the rare occurrence that the kid truly 100% did not know. Should they have to deal with the consequence of their parent’s bad decision? IDK.
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Post by thatgolfb on Mar 18, 2019 12:57:23 GMT -6
Obviously these kids will be okay financially. That isn’t what I’m talking about.
I’m going to take a guess that not every single kid knew, and some of the kids that didn’t know may have actually had a chance to get into a good school on their own merit. Maybe this kid doesn’t exist and none of these kids could have gotten in anywhere, I don’t know, but it is possible.
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Post by McBenny on Mar 18, 2019 13:02:06 GMT -6
I don't care. Oh well. too late to apply now? Shoot, a consequence. I mean I get it. But I’m talking about the rare occurrence that the kid truly 100% did not know. Should they have to deal with the consequence of their parent’s bad decision? IDK. I don't care if the child truly did not know. So what they have a consequence due to their parent's actions.
They can deal.
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Post by thatgolfb on Mar 18, 2019 13:02:50 GMT -6
I mean I get it. But I’m talking about the rare occurrence that the kid truly 100% did not know. Should they have to deal with the consequence of their parent’s bad decision? IDK. I don't care if the child truly did not know. So what they have a consequence due to their parent's actions.
They can deal.
Okay. I disagree. I don’t think a child should have to suffer due to their parents’ shitty decision.
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Post by thatgolfb on Mar 18, 2019 13:04:04 GMT -6
I am sure they could just reapply the following year if they were deemed unaware. I’m sure they would be fine. That isn’t really my point. (Just in case that comes up.)
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